When I was going for master angler...the only place to fish for foul water in Cyrodill is in AD territory right next to their gate...I was being very careful...since there was a lot of traffic...I look up from my fishing hole and lo and behold there is a Yellow right next to me... fishing...so he/she just finished the holes and he rode away...so....broad brushes and all that...

Minyassa wrote: »

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SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Fish elsewhere, Cyro is not a place for people who do not know how to survive.

ZOS, I want you to read this and look at the situation you created. PvPers literally do not think that PvEers have any business trying to complete achievements, and respond accordingly. YOU did this to the game, you are the ones creating the divide. Great job causing resentment in your own game system.

So you’re saying that PVE players should go into pvp, have no idea how to survive, and expect to not die? I’d be getting made fun of right now if I went into a PVE zone and got surprised when I found out I had to PVE there.

Your claim that, quote, “PvPers literally do not think that PvEers have any business trying to complete achievement” is just flat out false and unwarranted. Many pvpers (including myself) have helped new players complete Midyear achievements throughout this event. The person that you quoted was simply saying that, if you can’t survive in any fights, then you’re probably better off staying out of Cyrodiil. It’s a pvp zone

No. I'm saying that ZOS should cut Cyrodiil out of the requirements for Master Angler and Tamriel Skyshard Hunter. That would solve problems on both sides; PvE people would no longer be forced into Cyrodiil, and PvPers would have only prepared opponents to fight all the time. Win-win.

well, PvPers don't really mind the easy AP too much. it was the achievement camp who came here to cry today. we mostly just whine about lag and load screens, and then whatever the newest "broken" thing is. we don't complain about unprepared opponents; we just rebutt their complaints by pointing out that they opted in, and that there are measures they can take to improve their experience.

jwjackson5674 wrote: »

First of, I manly PVE, have only ever stepped into Cyrodiil to get vigor and caltrops for my Stam characters. So I decide to go into Cyrodiil to work on the fishing achievement. I go way out to a remote fishing spot in some far corner of the map, no where near any battle or anything, and proceed to start fishing. After about the 4th cast, I get ganked and killed before I can even blink. So why, way out in the middle of nowhere, did someone find it necessary to kill me? Just goes to prove that PVP'ers are the lowest and they have no honor.

Yeah don't go to Cyrodil if you want to find honorable players. Ganging up on others pretty much sumps up the entire game play in that zone.

That being said - stealthing around and "ganking" other players looks to me like the only kind of strategy that would be any fun in there. Otherwise it's just zerg vs zerg with which ever zerg having the most numbers steamrolling the other side. So it's just either you going splat or the other guy going splat.

At least as a stealth "ganker" you would get to stalk and hunt your prey adding what might be a fun element to the action. So that's probably what I would play if I ever wanted to spend a lot of time enjoying PvP in that place.

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Ohtimbar wrote: »

PVP is supposed to be about skill, but plenty of players just want to farm newbs for easy ap. It's lame, turns off potential new players and requires zero skill. Thankfully, not everyone is like that.

Yeah, I'm guessing that's the case. Having tried to find out what's the deal, I noticed that there's two distinct types of PVPer: those who like the challenge of a balanced fight, and the bottom-feeding gankers who prefer an easy kill. The former try to give helpful advice and the latter tend to post snarky comments about "well I'm just doing my quest which is to kill you lol".

"the bottom feeding gankers who prefer an easy kill" Believe gankers are an easy kill for us good players. Thats why they gank cuz they suck. So pretty much its an even fight lol

Get a tanking set and put some health buff and glyphs on there. If they gank you, you have time to react....

......and...RUN AWAY -coconut clopping noise-

Oh, I understand you, though I was lucky myself: got Cyrodiil Angler today (3/4 in one night, had part done before) while being killed only once. In delve not far from that ocean point (was waiting spots to respawn and came there for skyshard). By group of 4 or 5 covenants. While not fighting them and even not using AoE on mobs, just trying to run away after mobs I already was fighting was killed. With all map blue and me from Pact. Hope you was happy with that glorious and hard victory over the mighty and terrifying enemy =_=
Thanks to those AD, who surely saw me at ocean fishing spots and didn't touch.

@jwjackson5674, good luck with fishing!

Most of them gankers are not able to hold up against other PvPers.

You contributed to their AP and self-confidence, feel good about what you did.

Luthid wrote: »

Ironically, you probably got killed by a panicky pve player who was also there to fish. Or was desparate for easy targets because it’s the only way he’ll get 50 kills.

Most pvpers don’t bother killing fishermen.

This. All the good ones I know aren't doing such crap.

Must have been a pve player or an unskilled pvp player trying to get some kills otherwise too hard to get.

Runs wrote: »

People with honor run back to the fight, when they die, instead of to the forums.

Yeah... because such pitiful gankers attacking a pve player fishing are the players wanting a "fight" lol

War. War never changes.

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jwjackson5674 wrote: »

First of, I manly PVE, have only ever stepped into Cyrodiil to get vigor and caltrops for my Stam characters. So I decide to go into Cyrodiil to work on the fishing achievement. I go way out to a remote fishing spot in some far corner of the map, no where near any battle or anything, and proceed to start fishing. After about the 4th cast, I get ganked and killed before I can even blink. So why, way out in the middle of nowhere, did someone find it necessary to kill me? Just goes to prove that PVP'ers are the lowest and they have no honor.

Well doesn't fishing in a conflict zone instead of fighting for your side's banner feel a bit like a lapse in honor? I guess it all depends on someone's definition of honor. Traditionally, a king defines his honor as his right to take anything he wants, maybe the guy felt like he was a king and deserved your AP. It was dishonorable for you to not put up a fight.

Someone has to keep the home-fires burning and put food on the table, don't you think? Warriors cannot fight on fresh air and 'honour; alone.

On the subject of honour. Even in war-zones there is a code of honour to not harm civilians, whom are not spies and are not part of the fighting.

In war, there is a code of honour to allow opposing faction members to surrender and be taken prisoner. Once captured, it is honourable to treat them with respect and digity.

There is nothing dishonourable about being a pacifist. Nirn has enough on its plate with Molag Bal's shenanigans, without the inhabitants fighting amongst themselves for selfish, egotistical reasons and greed.

not sure i agree with all you said. i mean, it'd be nice if that were true, but let's assume it all is true.

is it then honorable to come to the forums with the problem and try to insult an entire playerbase he's obviously unfamiliar with, instead of taking responsibility and fixing what he's able to fix, now with his new lease on life?

and what if the enemy player wanted to go fishing himself: should he just roll over and allow an enemy from an invading force to usurp the land's resources, drying up that spawn of the fishing hole and denying provisioning ingredients or more? is that honorable?

nope.

I agree that everything would be hunky-dory if it was all true but sadly it is not. It is heartening to know that at least you agree that it would "be nice" if it was.

I cannot speak for OP but my understanding is that he/she is directing the comments to a specific type of player - those whom go out of their way to kill a 'peaceful' player - just for the sake of it and to boost some kind of deflated 'macho' ego. I do not believe his intent was to label all PvP players.

If the enemy player wanted to go fishing (peacefully) then rolling over on ones back, with arms and legs waving about in the air, would be a sure sign of submissive intent and friendliness. Who knows, the other player might even reciprocate the friendly gesture by tickling his tummy! If he proceeded to stick a dirk in his side, that would be dishonourable and he should be whipped, hung, drawn and quartered - after a fair trial of course - and the guts fed to the fish.

Lastly, in relation to the fishing holes. I can bet my bottom bippy that the fishing holes will not dry up in the foreseeable future. Those holes are spawning ground paradises. It is almost like the more fish are taken out, the more active and busier the remaining fish become. They have been fished, re-fished and fished again by hundreds of players, time and time again. There are enough fish there to feed Nirn thousands of times over, and the rest. To that end, honour does not come in to it.

I hope I have answered some of your concerns.

hakan wrote: »

there are too many easy " achievements" in this game. some of them should be meaningful at least.

Easy achievement - it's to kill pig or be undressed by guard. Catch all that damned fish isn't easy achievement. That takes a lot of time.
And it has nothing common with PvP, so why we are forced to PvP for this? Would you like to have for some purely PvP achievement something like "find 20 randomly and rarely given items in chests in PvE zone" to finish it? That would be stupid, yeah?

I saw a red fishing in AD territory while I was pootling about collecting mats last night. I thought 'oooh... I could get him'. Then i thought, don't be a ***.

jwjackson5674 wrote: »

First of, I manly PVE, have only ever stepped into Cyrodiil to get vigor and caltrops for my Stam characters. So I decide to go into Cyrodiil to work on the fishing achievement. I go way out to a remote fishing spot in some far corner of the map, no where near any battle or anything, and proceed to start fishing. After about the 4th cast, I get ganked and killed before I can even blink. So why, way out in the middle of nowhere, did someone find it necessary to kill me? Just goes to prove that PVP'ers are the lowest and they have no honor.

You came to Cyrodiil to kill innocent fish??? YOU MONSTER!!!