The real problem with sDK relies on 2 things:

1) lack of class identity
2) lack of useful passives (as I mentioned above).

Ok, I can forget about the class identity. Maybe sDK identity is to become a man-at-arms rather than a Dragonknight. Nevertheless, if I choose that path, the passives in the class do not help as much as in other classes. I mean, why do I want a passive that increases the health recovery per Elder Dragon skill slotted? If I'm slotting those skills, the max I can do is 2. Why not a flat health recovery skill, on a decent number (200%), or if you prefer a regen based on the highest attribute, but no more than a 10%?
What about the incredible extra 3300 spell resistance increase? Temps have 2640 to both spell and weapon resistance AND 6% extra wpn dmg. To ZoS 660 extra spell resistance is equivalent to 6% extra weapon AND 2640 physical resistance. Ok, granted, templars are not in a good spot too, but is sDK so powerful that it has to be punished with a very bad version of Balanced Warrior?
12% extra healing received IF you have slotted an elder dragon passive, sounds good, but look at the skills you have to pick. Spiked armor? Better go Unstoppable or Shuffle which also grant CC immunity. Talons? You are not a mDK, who can spam it half day long. GDB, you kidding? OK, the extra stam seems useful, but the heal... you will do better with a stam based heal, like vigor. Wings? Ok, it could be an option, but the skill costs 3780 magicka... the best magicka you can build on a sDK, is around 12k, so you can use it 3 times before running OoM. Inhale? Nope, magicka skill. The only option is Leap, and leap is not a reliable skill, less for a sDK built towards DoTs... so the best skill you can use for that is DBoS... will you prefer leap with sup par dmg to DBoS?
The other skill lines? One of them forces you to slot skills from the line to make some use of it, while the other has some situational uses (like when you build ulti, or the minor brutality buff of magicka skills, because all the skills in that skill line are magicka based, right?)

So, at the end sDK has option to take advantage of its passives, but ZoS, on a very sarcastic move, makes all the choices opossed to common sense... and with that, you cannot build decently. You're on your own, and if you are able to kill enemies, is not because of the tools you have, but because of your own skill... and that is so unfair compared to the other classes, it aches.

tldr: ZoS think DK is strong enough, so they want you to kill enemies with a spoon... and when you complain about that, they take away your spoon and give you a teaspoon instead.

Qbiken wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

DKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.

Those DK´s was so heavily carried by sets it was ridiculous, many of those sets had bugs that could carry even the worst player to become gods. So no ty, I don´t want to go back there

I'm clearly talking about Dk's pre-Morrowind passives, which at least gave us an identity, not about pre-morrowind set (e. g. Blackrose, that is dead anyway by now) or CP (e.g. the removed 20% cost reduction).

7th Legion (numerous bugs), Barkskin (didn´t have a cooldown at a certain point), Malubeth (made all heals ignore battlespirit when it procced). Befoul CP tree increased heal as well (nasty bug). I can go on with more sets and CP bugs that benefitted DK´s but those I mentioned was heavily used by many stamDK´s and carried them extremely hard.

Then let me ask you, why did the class get nerfed if it was the fault of bugged sets? (I for one agree some gear bugs were ridicilous, though I never ran any of those sets except 7th legion, and I only ran 7th legion cause they screwed up black rose pretty bad after morrowind.)