Why do so many people play PvP in ESO?

RubyWarfare · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

[quote="let's not pretend toxic behavior is limited to one type of play. That's ridiculously false. Players are toxic. Not the game type. Sorry that a few bad apples have made you fear something you might have otherwise enjoyed. If you can't or are unable to shrug it off...that's your choice.
Just saying, everything you've described happens in PvE too. (Ok, minus the bagging...but still. Mocking still happens in PvE, don't kid yourself)

This is true! I did not mean to make it sound like mockery was a PVP exclusive thing, and I apologize for making it sound that way. I also refuse to PUG for the exact same reason. I do not want to be bullied, so I just avoid it. I run dungeons with friends or guild members instead. As for mocking elsewhere, it happens. I get mudballed. I have gotten hate whispers in PVE. However, I can mostly ignore those. What I cannot ignore is teabagging, and it it really is not my choice that I hate it so much I avoid it with paranoid fear. It is a mixture of an anxiety disorder and horrible past experiences that cause this to be a HUGE trigger. I hate it so much I have dual accepting turned off and I carry a fistful of soulstones so I can raise myself asap if I am killed on landscape, so again I do not think this is a PVP exclusive thing.

Anyway, I am getting off topic from the original intent of this thread. Sorry everyone. I actually find this thread interesting. I too have wondered why people enjoy PVP so much.

Minyassa · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

You are right. I hate to lose. What I hate *more* than losing is being mocked for my ineptitude. I utterly loathe gloating, and worse still people would would virtually sexually assault my character (teabagging) just because I lost. If it were simply a matter of "win some, lose some" I might be inclined to try PVP. But the way things are, I have no interest. Also, while I am aware that teabagging might be rare, it still happens and I absolutely refuse to give anyone the opportunity to do this.

I mean, I've been verbally assulted(no idea for how to explain text assult) in dungeons and trials too. Toxic behavior isn't limited to just PvP activity.
Of course there are bad examples on either side. My personal experience has been different. This one time I was running a normal dungeon for the daily, ok...keep in mind, it was normal. I was running this build...https://youtu.be/sqcdNUJg7Qs....

A PvE build. And this one player would not let up about how trash I was for using certain gear, and why I wasn't using this skill or why I was doing things in my rotation different from how he would do it. But he wasn't helpful about it...he was talking mad trash. Did I give up on PvE altogether because one bad experience? (It's been more, this is just an example) No...I have a tougher skin than that.
Are there toxic players in PvP? Of course. Are there toxic players in PvE? Of course.

I have asked people...guildies, not just in this game, but others as well, why they don't like PvP, and the answer I get back most often is its too hard to win. As I said, that's my personal experience. If it doesn't fit yours, hey, fair enough.
But let's not pretend toxic behavior is limited to one type of play. That's ridiculously false. Players are toxic. Not the game type. Sorry that a few bad apples have made you fear something you might have otherwise enjoyed. If you can't or are unable to shrug it off...that's your choice.

Nobody's claiming that toxicity is limited to PvP. But here's the thing. You specifically mention dungeons and trials. What's in dungeons and trials? Other players. You are absolutely right that players are toxic rather than game type, but the thing is, you CAN play PvE in this game without involving other players. You can NOT PvP without involving other players. Trust me, I've tried, I leveled myself up to get Alliance skills by sneaking around repairing keeps, and even with that there's only so many keeps you can repair in the wee hours of the morning during the lowest population time before the keep you're in gets attacked. So sure it's players, that's definitely the problem, but in PvE you have a choice to avoid other players and still have a ton of stuff to do.

Btw, there are a lot of people playing this game who have PTSD or social anxiety and for many of them it's not a choice to be unable to shrug off abuse. And those people deserve to have nice things just as much as anyone else, even if they have to solo PvE and avoid grouping AND PvP. It's just a pity that the type of players that ruin both types of play have been allowed to run rampant and continue to do so and keep scaring away the people who cannot afford that sort of negativity.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

More creative freedom with your build

Disagree entirely.

You, like all players, are 100% free to create whatever build you want, for whichever brand of content you want to play.

All The Best

Emmagoldman · July 2018

I'm a casual pvper. Get of of work, play for 30 mins to 1hour max. I'm loving BG's myself and like @AbysmalGhul cyro has become OLD for me. Getting ganked isn't my issue, but that war has been taking place, on the same exact map since release. Same objectives, equipment, nothing new at all. IC/sewers are by far the best looking zones in the game and great for pvp. Same issue, zero additions, no new objectives, gameplay, items ect. The devs didn't even think of putting one of the ring traits there to be purchased with tel var. I'm just BORED and the devs have zero plans for the pvp community outside of a new bg map here and there.

Since release we've had
1)Ic/sewers
2) dueling
3) battlegrounds

Beardimus · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Why do people play PvP in ESO or in MMOs in general? The only game I have which focuses on PvP is probably overwatch lol

*Edit: I am not saying PvP is bad or you have to choose between PvP and PvE! Some people think I am trying to hate on this but I'm just curious why people play PvP in ESO or MMOs in general*

I started PvE, but it got pretty stale after vMA. Still do both but mainly stay PvP as its dynamic, interesting, Always different, and a great community

I thought trials would be my end game but Trials play, IMO, is dull. Stay in red, button smash etc. Very clicky groups about, and I jist didn't find them that interesting. Hence steering to PvP

I also get little play time so doing one think Mainly is better use of my time rather than swapping gear and CP Alpt. We need a mannequin in houses

ruikkarikun · July 2018

Quick 50 transmute geodas xDD

Castle fights, epic open battles, chasing, hiding, trolling etc.

albesca · July 2018

I've tried normal dungeons and PVP, and I find fighting in Cyrodiil less repetitive and more engaging, even if I tend to die a lot.

I currently do single player PVE to move forward the story and PVP to have fun

Reverb · July 2018

MythrialDrow wrote: »

“PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making”

Ok I’ll remind the PvP people that come in vet dungeons to sharpen their coordination......

No, they don't. They go to vet dungeons for gear, or for xp, or for giggles.

bg22 · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Because PVP in this game is among the most mechanically interesting, complex, and challenging combat I've experienced in a video game. I can't say the same about PVE.

And is the reward great? I mean I don't even know what you get as a reward xD ...

Besides excitement, and challenge? You get 10’s of thousands of gold, and a few decent sets of armor as well. Idc really care about that, but it’s there.

There’s no better test of ability than to face another person or two.

WarMasterCyp · July 2018

bg22 wrote: »

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Because PVP in this game is among the most mechanically interesting, complex, and challenging combat I've experienced in a video game. I can't say the same about PVE.

And is the reward great? I mean I don't even know what you get as a reward xD ...

Besides excitement, and challenge? You get 10’s of thousands of gold, and a few decent sets of armor as well. Idc really care about that, but it’s there.

There’s no better test of ability than to face another person or two.

Ohh gold.. I've been having trouble making gold lol

Maybe I should play PvP

swippy · July 2018

because if i wanted to beat up a computer i have single player games for that.

human players will do something different every time you fight them. computer enemies run algorithms that eventually become predictable.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · July 2018

sadly not many pvp as much as they used to...I wonder why...proly cuz of the lagfest that's here since day 1...the complete ignorance for pvp fix and performance...the fact that cyrodill and imperial city are a wasteland of forgotten memories...damn...what could the issue possibly be?!

Tryxus · July 2018

I PvP cuz it's nice to do smth else than PvE (and the other way around too)

dem0n1k · July 2018

I always try the PVP part of a game if it has it. ESO is the first MMO I have played & the quests & dungeons can only hold my attention for so long, then I would normally get bored & move on to a new game. PVP with all of it's chaotic craziness is what keeps me interested.

Kerioko · July 2018

Pure PVE gets stale when you have done the same content over and over again and the only challenge that remains is doing the same content a few seconds faster.

I have a main PVE toon that I take the time to do all the quests and all the new content when DLC's drop, but once you run through basic quests after the first few times, it becomes boring. Trials and dungeons, once you are doing HM's and have all the achievements from the content, it becomes old.

PVP, even though the content doesn't ever change (IC and battlegrounds are the only PVP additions in 4 years), still has the chance of different outcomes and different experiences on a daily basis. I also find it refreshing to do PVE in PVP zones, IC specifically, because there is that extra element of excitement added of getting attacked while in the middle of a boss fight.

Main reason I play PVP, is this is the only MMO that has a decent population in large scale open world PVP (if you want to consider cyrodil open world). GW2 and BD are decent also. I miss the old days of PVP servers and games like SWG and DAoC. So ESO is where I will stay until either crowfall or CU launches, as I tend to enjoy large scale PVP with PVE elements rather than arena/battleground games or pure PVE mmos.

LadyLethalla · July 2018

I don't mind a bit of PVP now and then but I have to be in the mood for it.
For the event though I'm playing it for the AP, because the Golden will actually have something I want, at some point, and also for Transmute stones. So you could say I'm doing PVP for PVE's sake

Waffennacht · July 2018

It's not PvE vs PvP

Just why do you enjoy PvP, those that do?

I actually enjoy both, I just answered why I PvP

The summer set main quest plot was amazing

TheInfernalRage · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Why do people play PvP in ESO or in MMOs in general? The only game I have which focuses on PvP is probably overwatch lol

*Edit: I am not saying PvP is bad or you have to choose between PvP and PvE! Some people think I am trying to hate on this but I'm just curious why people play PvP in ESO or MMOs in general*

Setting aside the usual rants and complains, people actually enjoy PVP here.

It's almost similar when people picture Champion Points as generally unaccepted in this game. People hate CP, but the server in Cyrodiil that does not allow CP only gets a good visit when there's no other server available.

ArchMikem · July 2018

Competitive Multiplayer E-Peen measuring.

People don't have fun unless they're making other people lose. Even an easy win is acceptable cause most of the enjoyment comes from knowing you wrecked someone else's experience. I personally don't play it that way, I go into Cyrodiil to play the objective. Taking Keeps and protecting Scrolls. Other players are just in the way.

D0PAMINE · July 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Because killing mobs in PvE is boring for some people.

Weird i don't find it boring at all.. What i find boring is rinse repeat gameplay, like die, respawn, run back, die! such as PvP..

Well that's kinda dependent on like a lot.

Example, a BG match where you die like once is amazingly fun

When you coordinate in PVP it's very satisfying. PVE got stale for me when my guild focused more on spending 2 hours with a dummy than really doing anything other than once a week. I just went off and did my own thing and found my place in the PVP side of the game.

DemonDruaga · July 2018

PvE gets boring with time.
Its the same for single player games.
Where the dark souls series are difficult in the beginning, once you've got the knowledge on the enemies behavior it gets easy & boring, so even there i just did pvp the majority of my time

wabajaa · July 2018

because I had enough pve in WOW since 2005. Well, if you want to play PVE . Go to try WOW. It is an old game. But it is still the best MMO in terms.of both pvp and pve, apart from its graphic level.

webrgesner · July 2018

Tf you mean why do people play it?
Itss fun AF

Sevn · July 2018

So many responses, so few who actually answered the question! The question wasn't "why" you enjoy pvp, it was why do you play eso or other mmo's that are mainly PvE focused instead of PvP centric games. Sheesh, so many defensive posts!

I enjoy all facets of the game, and I pvp in eso mainly for variety. I don't take eso pvp seriously though nor it's PvE for that matter, but I prefer my pvp games to be more balanced and player skill dependent.

Games where gear, broken mechanics and OP skills make a huge difference are just hard for me to take serious. But it's fun running around with a huge group wiping out the enemies and then of course getting wiped by a larger or better group, at least for a few hours a day.

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

Lack of PvP participation is big problem in ESO PvP actually. Competivite PvPers are turned off by optimization, performance and balance issues. While gankers, constant CC, and just the learning curve keep new players from wanting to join in.

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I don't find Cyrodiil fun at all, but I like playing BG. I don't have to travel endless miles to get to a keep or getting ganked by a NB half way through on my very very very very long cross country journey.

I am not saying ganking should be just gone, but I think along with lag, this is a top issue for pvp. There should be some improvements made in this department, because dying to some coward before you even have a chance to see them is enough to make just anyone say "screw this BS, I'm done." Maybe some kind of delay in being able to follow up an attack from stealth with the next attack.

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

MerlinPendragon wrote: »

Wasn't ESO originally created to focus around PvP?

Not really. It was created to get as much profit as possible from the ELDER SCROLL name because mmo's make a lot of money.

Hippie4927 · July 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

OMG!! You two need to give it a rest! Strangers arguing on the internet is entertaining for a minute. You've gone way beyond that minute. Agree to disagree and move on. Trying to prove that you are right is a waste of time. Get over yourselves!

No keep going, don't listen to the voice of reason

LOL! I was following that mess for a while and then my head exploded!

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

Hippie4927 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

You are right. I hate to lose. What I hate *more* than losing is being mocked for my ineptitude. I utterly loathe gloating, and worse still people would would virtually sexually assault my character (teabagging) just because I lost. If it were simply a matter of "win some, lose some" I might be inclined to try PVP. But the way things are, I have no interest. Also, while I am aware that teabagging might be rare, it still happens and I absolutely refuse to give anyone the opportunity to do this.

I mean, I've been verbally assulted(no idea for how to explain text assult) in dungeons and trials too. Toxic behavior isn't limited to just PvP activity.
Of course there are bad examples on either side. My personal experience has been different. This one time I was running a normal dungeon for the daily, ok...keep in mind, it was normal. I was running this build...https://youtu.be/sqcdNUJg7Qs....

A PvE build. And this one player would not let up about how trash I was for using certain gear, and why I wasn't using this skill or why I was doing things in my rotation different from how he would do it. But he wasn't helpful about it...he was talking mad trash. Did I give up on PvE altogether because one bad experience? (It's been more, this is just an example) No...I have a tougher skin than that.
Are there toxic players in PvP? Of course. Are there toxic players in PvE? Of course.

I have asked people...guildies, not just in this game, but others as well, why they don't like PvP, and the answer I get back most often is its too hard to win. As I said, that's my personal experience. If it doesn't fit yours, hey, fair enough.
But let's not pretend toxic behavior is limited to one type of play. That's ridiculously false. Players are toxic. Not the game type. Sorry that a few bad apples have made you fear something you might have otherwise enjoyed. If you can't or are unable to shrug it off...that's your choice.

So much this ^^^

In my own experience, I have never been 'assaulted' in PVP.......I have never been teabagged or hate/rage whispered. But in PVE I was called a '***' for not dueling, an idiot because I wouldn't group with a guy who was verbally abusing everyone in a public dungeon, and in a pledge dungeon, I was told that I should uninstall the game and find something else to do with my life. So, the point being that toxicity is on both sides of the fence.

yeah, I don't pvp much, but honestly, PvP is more laid back than PvE in my experience and there is less toxicity. Toxicity its not really PvP's issue so much. People get frustrated and salty bc they are sick of being killed by the same thing so many times. But it's mostly just yelling at the screen. Getting tea bagged? so what? It's actually kind of funny imo. Doesn't bother me at all if some silly person wants to celebrate my 15th death of the day. PvP is actually pretty easy if you take the right approach. Buy up siege, go where the action is, drop your ults in a timely manner. I am just running around with PVE healer just changing some CP and abilities around and its working out just find so long as I stay with the large group.

SilverWF · July 2018

Many?
Lol, queued (EU Saturday evening) for random(!) Arena, waited for about ~10 mins and left, just because match didn't started due to lack of players: there was full red team, 3 players in the blue and 1-2 in my green team.