I agree! #MakeFragsGreatAgain!

This skill is so OP that it gets me kills doing PvP on my pve geared stam sorc and I'm the only guy who dabbles in PvP that freely admits that I'm not good at pvp.

I mean. It's a stun. Why would you need damages? I use it as a stamina player, that's clearly not for the damages. It's more of an utility ability. Did you look at the latest ESO live? They're planning on making it dodgeable and telegraphed. Maybe that doesn't satisfy you... But the main complaint was that it allowed a burst combo without counterplay. Now they're planning on giving players a counterplay

Honestly they need to nuke the range on this stun. That or make my fossilise be around 20meters range. I mean it’s only fair.....

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

This remains one of the worst, Xv1 garbage skills in the game. All you've done by removing damage is revert every non-zergling Sorc back to Dragon Bones status. How popular was the class then? Did you spend lots of time playing yours?

Even without damage, there's no counterplay to this skill when you're outnumbered.

Yet without the damage, it's pointless for solo players to use this skill.

This paradigm should not be new to the developers, especially the so called "combat lead." You've been told over and over again, by your top players, that this skill needs to go back to the drawing board. Scrap it, and give Crystal Frags its stun back. Your "reason" for removing the stun in the first place already won Biggest Fail 2017, let's not award that again to Mag Sorc balancing in 2018 k?

" Even without damage, there's no counterplay to this skill when you're outnumbered."

Just learn to play to have CC immunity and stamina up. Only noobs are complaining about this skill and so many counters play exists in the game. ZOs no need to respond for L2P issues.

The "no counterplay" arguments make me laugh the most. Rune Cage IS the counterplay. To perma roll, perma-dodge and perma-block builds. There is a certain playstyle mostly used by a certain class that uses stealth that is extremely hard to hit with anything that isn't ranged or dodgeable. I think its that class that is doing most of the complaining here.

Crying "Counterplay" while trying to remove a counter to their playstyle.

But let's not be silly, even counterplay should have counterplay.

i just think its funny that now all sorcs, STAM AND MAG, are using the op execute and this rune prison/cage...

cmon...

How about this?

1. Rework frags
   • Give instant cast and reduced cost proc to Crystal Frags, Crystal Blast, and whatever the base skill is.
   • Remove the increased damage from the instant cast proc
   • Give Frags its stun back (but now without the increased damage)
   • Keep Blast's AoE damage, but remove its stun (so now it has an instant cast proc, but doesn't stun)
   • Now we have two equally-attractive morphs; the PvE sorc will want Blast for the added AoE damage (whereas before, nobody in their right mind would want to use Blast), and the PvP sorc will want Frags for the CC, but without the bonus damage, it wouldn't be as OP as it used to be
2. Make Rune Prison and Rune Cage melee-range abilities, much like the DK's, and revert all other changes made to Rune Cage during this PTS cycle.

What would this fix?

1. Crystal Blast will be actually useful.
2. Rune Cage keeps its 5s duration, unblockability and undodgeability, but is now a short-range CC. That's a good tradeoff for the raw power of that 5s, unblockable, unreflectable, undodgeable CC.
3. Sorcs get back their old long-ranged CC--which was more balanced than Rune Cage because it was blockable/dodgeable/reflectable. But now without the damage bonus.

Everyone's happy, right? @ZOS_Wrobel

I truly don't understand people defending rune cage as is. The argument that its a counter to nightblades makes no sense. Theres detect pots and magelight that counter stealth. If you need the recipe for detect pots, lmk...

Imo it goes beyond rune cage, all hard cc are a bit messed up, but everyone and their brother plays a sorc atm, so we see it mostly there. Couple it with the fact that the ranged class has a ranged stun plus crazy op combos right now, and forget it.

Your argument about l2p is invalid. Sure if you have stam to break it, you sorta can, but then you get locked down again. And no one can maintain full stam during combat. A seasoned pvper is using their resources to survive. You shouldnt dodgeroll to avoid something only to be locked down for a 5 sec stun mid roll.

Imo if theyre gonna keep the stun length and make it unblockable, the range needs to be closer, so its used as an escape mechanism to put distance between the sorc and the attacker. That i can live with. Being stunned because a sorc looks at an aoe im thinking about casting, i cannot. I get locked down for 5 seconds and die.

A spammable guaranteed ranged stun with stupid long duration, the damage is irrelevant it still needs nerfing.

Every sorc I see opens with rune cage from range, then quickly while you're breaking free fire in all their ranged damage with a endless fury explosion for good measure so don't think about slinking away and stealthing cos you can't, then rinse and repeat. It's still OP without the damage, and annoying as hell.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

This remains one of the worst, Xv1 garbage skills in the game. All you've done by removing damage is revert every non-zergling Sorc back to Dragon Bones status. How popular was the class then? Did you spend lots of time playing yours?

Even without damage, there's no counterplay to this skill when you're outnumbered.

Yet without the damage, it's pointless for solo players to use this skill.

This paradigm should not be new to the developers, especially the so called "combat lead." You've been told over and over again, by your top players, that this skill needs to go back to the drawing board. Scrap it, and give Crystal Frags its stun back. Your "reason" for removing the stun in the first place already won Biggest Fail 2017, let's not award that again to Mag Sorc balancing in 2018 k?

" Even without damage, there's no counterplay to this skill when you're outnumbered."

Just learn to play to have CC immunity and stamina up. Only noobs are complaining about this skill and so many counters play exists in the game. ZOs no need to respond for L2P issues.

The "no counterplay" arguments make me laugh the most. Rune Cage IS the counterplay. To perma roll, perma-dodge and perma-block builds. There is a certain playstyle mostly used by a certain class that uses stealth that is extremely hard to hit with anything that isn't ranged or dodgeable. I think its that class that is doing most of the complaining here.

Crying "Counterplay" while trying to remove a counter to their playstyle.

Perma of all of them don't exist. Not for a long time. Counter to it is pressure, low on a sorc I know, but reach and curse if the initial hit is landed, and fury for dodge rollers. Also mines for melee builds trying to get close.

Counterplay =/= hard counters. You as a sorc should know that with shield breaker. I am sure you think that is a great idea and endorse that.

Also, just because NB has cheese, doesn't mean that we should allow cheese to become wide spread.

code65536 wrote: »

How about this?

1. Rework frags
   • Give instant cast and reduced cost proc to Crystal Frags, Crystal Blast, and whatever the base skill is.
   • Remove the increased damage from the instant cast proc
   • Give Frags its stun back (but now without the increased damage)
   • Keep Blast's AoE damage, but remove its stun (so now it has an instant cast proc, but doesn't stun)
   • Now we have two equally-attractive morphs; the PvE sorc will want Blast for the added AoE damage (whereas before, nobody in their right mind would want to use Blast), and the PvP sorc will want Frags for the CC, but without the bonus damage, it wouldn't be as OP as it used to be
2. Make Rune Prison and Rune Cage melee-range abilities, much like the DK's, and revert all other changes made to Rune Cage during this PTS cycle.

What would this fix?

1. Crystal Blast will be actually useful.
2. Rune Cage keeps its 5s duration, unblockability and undodgeability, but is now a short-range CC. That's a good tradeoff for the raw power of that 5s, unblockable, unreflectable, undodgeable CC.
3. Sorcs get back their old long-ranged CC--which was more balanced than Rune Cage because it was blockable/dodgeable/reflectable. But now without the damage bonus.

Everyone's happy, right? @ZOS_Wrobel

Gonna need the 20% more dmg

Dextail wrote: »

Honestly they need to nuke the range on this stun. That or make my fossilise be around 20meters range. I mean it’s only fair.....

Sorcs are not melee fighters. Either get this through your head, or start begging ZOS to give us great melee skills like Whip, etc.