Thanks for allowing Skyshards to be brought to other characters. Thread closed.

Tandor · July 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

Can someone please just explain to me why people are against this as an option? How would it affect anyone but the one who makes the choice? I can understand those who are againt new level 3 characters with maxed out mages guild, but if all skyshards and lorebooks were given at level 50 then what would be the problem?

Well my guess is they haven't played on console before.

It isn't simply a case of not playing on console, I oppose account-wide achievements and although I play on PC I don't use addons and never have.

Edziu · July 2018

(tl;dr almost everything except 1st page)

WTB all of you saying "no" your free time and willings to run like "mindless bot" gathering this everything every time on new char

mainly this is my problem why I hate to play alts - becasue I dont have time to run for every skyshard, lorebook on every new char + its not funny for me...fun for me is something like pve etc, not stupidly running trough map only to gather those shards, books because without it I dont have skills unlocked to play anything even on pve while on pvp its jsut no point to enter without unlocked every passive to combat at max lvl

Elsonso · July 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

If I am wrong why the positive feedback from the rest of the forums. Sometimes you need to adapt to change. Change is good if it benfits the next guy. Having the option doesnt force you sto stop grinding for ten hours on your alts.

Sometimes, people just get tired of arguing against ideas that should not be implemented in the game. I rarely show up to these topics, or the auction house topics, but that does not change how I feel about them. This is like the 10 billionth time this has been discussed, and no part of this argument, on either side, ever changes substantially.

If there is an achievement or progression in the game, it should be equal for every player in the game. No "options" and no "bypass". Of course, the financial needs of the studio often trump that last part, but that is the world we live in.

I can see no gameplay advantage, at this stage of ESO development, to having options to share skyshards, achievements, POI discovery, lore books, skill points, levels, attribute points, or other earned character-specific things like that across the entire account.

Easy sustainability and longefity of your playerbase.

I suspect that you meant this as a rebuttal, but these are really reasons to not have account wide skyshards and lorebooks.

Tandor · July 2018

Edziu wrote: »

(tl;dr almost everything except 1st page)

WTB all of you saying "no" your free time and willings to run like "mindless bot" gathering this everything every time on new char

mainly this is my problem why I hate to play alts - becasue I dont have time to run for every skyshard, lorebook on every new char + its not funny for me...fun for me is something like pve etc, not stupidly running trough map only to gather those shards, books because without it I dont have skills unlocked to play anything even on pve while on pvp its jsut no point to enter without unlocked every passive to combat at max lvl

I fully understand some take this view, as others take the view that the whole point of playing multiple characters is to play the game fully with them all as equal individual characters rather than as a main plus alts. The present system offers a fair balance between those approaches, with some things account-wide like champion points, collections and dye unlocks, while other things are character-specific like most achievements.

Aca2017 · July 2018

Didn't look through all N pages of comments to see if this has been mentioned, but making master writ vouchers (and other forms of currency) account-wide would also be welcome.

Slick_007 · July 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

If I am wrong why the positive feedback from the rest of the forums.

you claimed people are opposed because they havent played console - ie without addons. you are wrong.

big deal, you got some agrees. So did i, and everyone else who opposes this ridiculous idea.

Tetrafy wrote: »

Us on consoles dont get the luxary of addons. 7 toons through a bigger grind than a 101 percent on dk64. Why not give us the option?

and many of us on pc dont use them. 7 toons? oh no. you're behind the times. Iv got 8 and can do it without addons.

Tetrafy wrote: »

Are you a console player?

this is all you go on about. this is not a reason to add remove functionality from the game. PC players can do this without addons. Whats your excuse?

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

game designers should not cater to the laziest common denominator.

@Slick_007 this is an awesome phrase.

May I steal it?

be my guest.

Malacthulhu · July 2018

idk wrote: »

It really is not going to happen.

!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons.
2. this one is much clearer, granting a fully leveled mage guild line to every lvl 1 character is 100% a bad idea. OMG, lol, below 50 cyrodiil would be no place for a new player when much of the field would have meteor on the first day the character is rolled. Not to mention some of the other skills and passives.

Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.

Why 25k when you practically get that for free with the awesome cp system, just make it not count in pvp simple. They have done it already with non cp campaign's. I personally do not want to waste game time on a new toon re-grinding. There are so many grinds in this game now it is time they started making concessions not just for vet players but, for new people too. With the mages guild they just need to change the grind honestly it was less painful for me to grind out the psijic skilline on an alt then to level mage guild.

crjs1 · July 2018

I see no reason why skyshards and lore books shouldn’t at least be marked on maps. Not everyone has time or think its ‘fun’ to grind skyshards over and over again on alts. Absolutely nothing to do with ‘laziness’ it’s just not how many people want to spend - their limited - time in game. It could be an made an option so those who do want to refind everything on each character can do so. It basic quality of life improvement

Khami · July 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

Spending days running around clicking on books and rocks isn't "playing" for me and many others. After doing it once, I have no desire to do it again. The boring grind is one reason I won't be playing much longer.

Nope, you can't have my stuff=)

Why does your stam build characters need to worry about the mage's guild line anyway?

You are whining about something that not every build needs.

Consider yourself lucky the CP is shared.

Facefister · July 2018

Forget the shards and books, I want account wide riding skill.

Malacthulhu · July 2018

Facefister wrote: »

Forget the shards and books, I want account wide riding skill.

Whoah whoah slow down, we gotta work them up to that one, jeez, go have a beer if you are old enough.(not as an insult I just genuinely do not know your age, my guess would be between 10-86)

Valrien · July 2018

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Its not fun grinding the same stuff over and over. You know what worse though? Flavor of the week PvP, and people giving up on something because it doesnt work for them in the first 10 minutes. If everyone had access to all there Skyshards and everything, there would be nothing but Sorcs in Cryodiil and Nightblades in PvE, because everone would have just moved over all there gear from last weeks flavor.

My first 2 Characters where DKs. I quit them both before even reaching lvl 15 because I didn't like them. Now one of those 2 is a vTrials DK Healer, since Homestead. Because I kept with the game and learned how to play DK later, I was able to make a fun build.

Valrien · July 2018

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Its not fun grinding the same stuff over and over. You know what worse though? Flavor of the week PvP, and people giving up on something because it doesnt work for them in the first 10 minutes. If everyone had access to all there Skyshards and everything, there would be nothing but Sorcs in Cryodiil and Nightblades in PvE, because everone would have just moved over all there gear from last weeks flavor.

My first 2 Characters where DKs. I quit them both before even reaching lvl 15 because I didn't like them. Now one of those 2 is a vTrials DK Healer, since Homestead. Because I kept with the game and learned how to play DK later, I was able to make a fun build.

That's not really how skyshards or lorebooks work.

People are going to make alts regardless.

May as well make it easier to make alts. There's no point in doing work you've already done

newtinmpls · July 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

Apparently for some people once played, they should automatically get all the things or it's not fun.

Not how I play, but that's me.

Valrien · July 2018

newtinmpls wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

Apparently for some people once played, they should automatically get all the things or it's not fun.

Not how I play, but that's me.

Oh oh oh, my turn!

"Apparently, for some people 'playing the game' means that you are required to mindlessly run around and collect rocks all day instead of PvPing or running raids and dungeons

Not how I play, but that's me"

newtinmpls · July 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Oh oh oh, my turn!

"Apparently, for some people 'playing the game' means that you are required to mindlessly run around and collect rocks all day instead of PvPing or running raids and dungeons

Not how I play, but that's me"

Good point.

Neither of us plays the same way, and we don't have to. But if either of us wants the benefits of having done "X", then... we actually have to do X

Valrien · July 2018

newtinmpls wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Oh oh oh, my turn!

"Apparently, for some people 'playing the game' means that you are required to mindlessly run around and collect rocks all day instead of PvPing or running raids and dungeons

Not how I play, but that's me"

Good point.

Neither of us plays the same way, and we don't have to. But if either of us wants the benefits of having done "X", then... we actually have to do X

You see, that's the thing. You've already done "X."

You shouldn't need to do it 7-14 more times. It's not getting anything for free because you've already gotten it.

ChuckyPayne · July 2018

No and yes.
Support in-game solutions like we have on pc add-ons yes that would be good.

Skyshards
If you already found a skyshard other characters see on map (you know where you need to go).

Lorebooks
This is a different story. IMO Lorebooks would be account bound and doesn't count on Mage guild level up. Collecting lorebooks would be optional and more rewarded via achievement system. Mage guild lvl up would be different (quests + daily quests).

With alts I do mage guild quest because I like it, but I feel that is worthless in practical side, no progress, no skill point. That is lie at the and there is the book for 2 skill point, if I don't make a mistake again :S

wolfie1.0. · July 2018

Edziu wrote: »

(tl;dr almost everything except 1st page)

WTB all of you saying "no" your free time and willings to run like "mindless bot" gathering this everything every time on new char

mainly this is my problem why I hate to play alts - becasue I dont have time to run for every skyshard, lorebook on every new char + its not funny for me...fun for me is something like pve etc, not stupidly running trough map only to gather those shards, books because without it I dont have skills unlocked to play anything even on pve while on pvp its jsut no point to enter without unlocked every passive to combat at max lvl

No one is required to create more than one character you dont have to do it. You chose to do it. So work for it. I have 50 characters at the moment. I understand the grind. I also accept it.

Quite honestly this is why I tell people not to grind skyreach or dolmens it may get you to 50 fast but it's not the most efficient way to do it as they never factor in the skyshard and guild grinds.

Watchdog · July 2018

I would love to have the option to share the lore books account wide, even if it would make it harder for me to actually level up the Mages Guild.

As for Skyshards, I think it wouldn't hurt anyone but the most vocal self-entitled hardcore elitists, who are a sore sight anyway, to unlock the account wide sharing for one's character as a level 50 reward. It would allow me to choose a different story path through different zones with each character, without the thought of "oh dear, to get this Skyshards I am going to have to spend so much time doing this exact content again and again, ad nauseam".

Just the 2 euro cents of a new player.

Hammy01 · July 2018

I am thinking these same people who oppose 'Quality of Life" improvements in video games are the same people who oppose "Quality of Life" improvements in real life as well.... "I grew up with out Air Co by golly you should have to grow up with out Air Co as well"!

Mystrius_Archaion · July 2018

Watchdog wrote: »

I would love to have the option to share the lore books account wide, even if it would make it harder for me to actually level up the Mages Guild.

As for Skyshards, I think it wouldn't hurt anyone but the most vocal self-entitled hardcore elitists, who are a sore sight anyway, to unlock the account wide sharing for one's character as a level 50 reward. It would allow me to choose a different story path through different zones with each character, without the thought of "oh dear, to get this Skyshards I am going to have to spend so much time doing this exact content again and again, ad nauseam".

Just the 2 euro cents of a new player.

....that sinking feeling when joining a game after launch and realizing it has so much to do, so much you want to do, but not enough years left in your life to catch up because almost nothing is accelerated and newer content is more grindy than ever just because of the beta-to-lifers....

Watchdog · July 2018

Hammy01 wrote: »

I am thinking these same people who oppose 'Quality of Life" improvements in video games are the same people who oppose "Quality of Life" improvements in real life as well.... "I grew up with out Air Co by golly you should have to grow up with out Air Co as well"!

Apparently, you know some of my former bosses. :-D

Hallothiel · July 2018

With max chars on ps4, this has affected me but have to say that even without addons it is very easy to find maps for skyshards online. And apparently there are apps you can get for phone that help (but not for me as my phone is too old.

)

Lore books for Mages Guild on the other hand? Bane of my life. Fecking hate this. Maps online can be vague, no help as to what you might have already collected, list in inventory not much use as books not in set locations. Have limited time to play and have wasted a lot recently trying to get 2 max level sorcs to the end of the skill line. Extreme frustration.

Solution? That they can be seen on the map. And there should be differentiation between brown & purple/blue ones. Then would still have to play to find them like can easily do with skyshards but without the painful grind.

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Its not fun grinding the same stuff over and over. You know what worse though? Flavor of the week PvP, and people giving up on something because it doesnt work for them in the first 10 minutes. If everyone had access to all there Skyshards and everything, there would be nothing but Sorcs in Cryodiil and Nightblades in PvE, because everone would have just moved over all there gear from last weeks flavor.

My first 2 Characters where DKs. I quit them both before even reaching lvl 15 because I didn't like them. Now one of those 2 is a vTrials DK Healer, since Homestead. Because I kept with the game and learned how to play DK later, I was able to make a fun build.

That's not really how skyshards or lorebooks work.

No idea what you mean here. I didnt say anything about how Skyshards and Lorebooks work. Other than answer the forum question of should they be account wide.

People are going to make alts regardless.

Yes, but not 5 a patch as they switch to the new meta class

May as well make it easier to make alts. There's no point in doing work you've already done

No, you should not make it easier to allow people to make the new cancer build. If you want Charater, whether t is your 1st or 14th, you should have to put a little work into it to make it worth having.

What I do not want is for people to be switching to the new flavor of the month. This wont happen nearly so often with the extra work. I have 10 characters. I've only ever deleted one and I only made it for the extra 60 storage before I caved and got plus.

People will absolutely switch to the flavor of the month if all you have to do is a 3 hour grind to 50 and then you have all your Guilds, Skill Points, and everything to leap into what ever content. I do not want to see 80% Werewolfs in Cryodiil 2 days after Wolf Hunter. I already hate that 90% of Trials runs are 1 DK, 1 Sorc, 1 Templar and 9 Nightblades

Tetrafy · July 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

If I am wrong why the positive feedback from the rest of the forums. Sometimes you need to adapt to change. Change is good if it benfits the next guy. Having the option doesnt force you sto stop grinding for ten hours on your alts.

Sometimes, people just get tired of arguing against ideas that should not be implemented in the game. I rarely show up to these topics, or the auction house topics, but that does not change how I feel about them. This is like the 10 billionth time this has been discussed, and no part of this argument, on either side, ever changes substantially.

If there is an achievement or progression in the game, it should be equal for every player in the game. No "options" and no "bypass". Of course, the financial needs of the studio often trump that last part, but that is the world we live in.

I can see no gameplay advantage, at this stage of ESO development, to having options to share skyshards, achievements, POI discovery, lore books, skill points, levels, attribute points, or other earned character-specific things like that across the entire account.

Easy sustainability and longefity of your playerbase.

I suspect that you meant this as a rebuttal, but these are really reasons to not have account wide skyshards and lorebooks.

Sure they are, when you over push the grind you burn out the player. Just look at the psyjic skill line. I saw a vote on how many people did more than once chracter. it was less than 5 percent I wonder why? Steamline your game and people might actually want to play on more than one character. Most people main one and stay on it for this reason. You make it less than daunting ie:DK64 collectathon then people actually play more not less. Its not like you get this special reward it just makes the character playable moreso. Like I said it most certainally applies and Im sure they could test the stats on that.

Tetrafy · July 2018

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Its not fun grinding the same stuff over and over. You know what worse though? Flavor of the week PvP, and people giving up on something because it doesnt work for them in the first 10 minutes. If everyone had access to all there Skyshards and everything, there would be nothing but Sorcs in Cryodiil and Nightblades in PvE, because everone would have just moved over all there gear from last weeks flavor.

My first 2 Characters where DKs. I quit them both before even reaching lvl 15 because I didn't like them. Now one of those 2 is a vTrials DK Healer, since Homestead. Because I kept with the game and learned how to play DK later, I was able to make a fun build.

That's not really how skyshards or lorebooks work.

No idea what you mean here. I didnt say anything about how Skyshards and Lorebooks work. Other than answer the forum question of should they be account wide.

People are going to make alts regardless.

Yes, but not 5 a patch as they switch to the new meta class

May as well make it easier to make alts. There's no point in doing work you've already done

No, you should not make it easier to allow people to make the new cancer build. If you want Charater, whether t is your 1st or 14th, you should have to put a little work into it to make it worth having.

What I do not want is for people to be switching to the new flavor of the month. This wont happen nearly so often with the extra work. I have 10 characters. I've only ever deleted one and I only made it for the extra 60 storage before I caved and got plus.

People will absolutely switch to the flavor of the month if all you have to do is a 3 hour grind to 50 and then you have all your Guilds, Skill Points, and everything to leap into what ever content. I do not want to see 80% Werewolfs in Cryodiil 2 days after Wolf Hunter. I already hate that 90% of Trials runs are 1 DK, 1 Sorc, 1 Templar and 9 Nightblades

Most people it takes longer than 3 hours be realistic here. The average person wont hit 50 in a month of playing.

Elsonso · July 2018

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

I don't grind Skyshards and Lorebooks. I am usually already in the zone. I get them while I am there. I am in the zone because I want to do the quests, or am sent there by some quest, map, holiday, or whatever.

ResTandRespeC · July 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

No. I will go one further, and say make CP individual. Knowing how to function decently with a stam DK does not prepare you to play a magblade, so why do you get to start so far along with your magblade alt?

I know plenty of 720's who aren't prepared to play well on any characters. I also know plenty who can roll a new character in the morning, level it to 50 by lunch, and be pulling more dps then 90% of the player base by supper.

No reason to lock new characters behind a huge grind. Just fine as it is now