It's like every other grind in this game. Its intent is to get you to play the game longer.

If you want alts, then follow the process, because it's really not that big of a deal. 17 characters between two accounts, in various stages of transition, but the majority are maxed/maxed/maxed/pretty darn close to maxed on all the relevant things.

If you're going stop playing the game after a period due to grind burnout, you're also likely to stop playing the game after a period due to endgame boredom burnout. So the end result is the same. If you're wanting to try alternate builds, the second will likely see you play less much faster than the first.

It's an initial investment (skillpoints, skilllines, guildlines, minimal crafting passives, gear) and if you tally it up for a single character to be functional, it's still really not that much, and per character, you still only have to do it once.

As fast as you can get to 50, and get the majority of everything else you need, you're basically asking for a instant max level character.

If you want a template character, play on the PTS.

CP's are shared, gear is shared, trait grind is eliminated (not like it's hard to get stones), so a quick sprint to 50 and some books (maybe) and some shards are really all that's left.

Why dont we just get ZoS to sell characters with literally everything done, all quests, skyshards, trials, dungeons, lorebooks, mages guild, fighters guild, undaunted, each DLC all done, everything all done. They can sell the base game stuff for 20K crowns then add each DLC for 5K crowns and the expansions for 10K crowns. Then no one has to ever play the game. We can just sit around and complain about how bored we are and that there is nothing to do.

Ive leveled 15 characters and have collected enough sky shards on most of them for them to be functional in all normal content. They arent BIS or top DPS or w/e but they are functional.

All of them have completed all world bosses, all normal dungeons for skill points, all have completed Craglorn, including all the Crag trials on normal, most have done nMOL too. Fourteen have gotten the skyshards behind the gates in Cyrodiil, and in IC and in the sewars and the 15th, my newest character will get them too. It takes about 2 weeks, playing 2-3 hours a day to get a character leveled to 50 and enough skyshards collected to make them functional.

I have a job
I have a family
I do other things outside the game

Its not that hard.
Its called playing the game, not have everything handed to you cause you did it once.

I will agree that having skyshards and lorebooks unlocked on the map once they have been found once for console players that do not have the benefit of addons should be a thing. But just having it all done cause you did it once....no

Can someone please just explain to me why people are against this as an option? How would it affect anyone but the one who makes the choice? I can understand those who are againt new level 3 characters with maxed out mages guild, but if all skyshards and lorebooks were given at level 50 then what would be the problem?

I can totally agree with this.

On your first character, these things should be discovered organically.

However, on subsequent toons...why?

We already share CP between toons...and assistants...and available outfit styles...and collectibles...and mounts...and...and...and...

The MAP should be discovered per toon (since that's a large part of leveling), but the skyshard/lorebook locations should be marked account-wide, IMO.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

It should be account wide. You still gotta grind for gear. Maybe people will play more characters

It needs to be specific to the character. Not everyone grinds for gear. Some people do achievements, and achievements need to be consistent from player to player.

@ZOS_GinaBruno a thread perhaps worth looking at for your console community.

Slick_007 wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

Can someone please just explain to me why people are against this as an option? How would it affect anyone but the one who makes the choice? I can understand those who are againt new level 3 characters with maxed out mages guild, but if all skyshards and lorebooks were given at level 50 then what would be the problem?

Well my guess is they haven't played on console before.

you are wrong. i play pc and i dont use any of the addons to find skyshards or books. i have 8 characters and it hasnt been a problem yet.

game designers should not cater to the laziest common denominator. If you cant be bothered playing the game, dont. Other people have lives, and they can manage to find these things, whats your excuse?

i would also rather devs did not spend their time deleting things to do because people are lazy, and instead fix bugs, make new content etc.

If I am wrong why the positive feedback from the rest of the forums. Sometimes you need to adapt to change. Change is good if it benfits the next guy. Having the option doesnt force you sto stop grinding for ten hours on your alts.

Can someone please explain how it's "broken" for a level 1 to have extra skill points? It's not like they have the actual skills yet.

As for Mages' guild...you can still unlock level 10 extremely early if you do nothing else. That doesn't mean people want to

Aurelle1 wrote: »

NO.

Where's the fun in starting a new character, and half of everything you explored the world for and collected with your other toons has now already had the box ticked?

It doesn't matter how many times you appear to have to repeat content with new toons....there are always loads of things that you missed on your previous incarnations. I would hate to be deprived of the reason to sally forth and discover all that stuff you didn't find on those occasions.

To do content that is actually enjoyable from the perspective of a new class and/or role?

theyancey wrote: »

One of the worse suggestions I have yet seen and that goes back through beta. Just respec if you want to change your toon. To give accounts infinite fully developed characters sans the exploration and the work defeats the very raison d'etre of an MMORPG.

I disagree many other good mmos went that route swtor ring a bell. Ive probably spent 500k on respecs so dont tell me. Us on consoles dont get the luxary of addons. 7 toons through a bigger grind than a 101 percent on dk64. Why not give us the option?

method__01 wrote: »

lollll account wide books?dont forget mount training,alliance change tokens,class change tokens and craft bag from CS

NO

there are alliance change tokens now? Finally!

lordrichter wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

If I am wrong why the positive feedback from the rest of the forums. Sometimes you need to adapt to change. Change is good if it benfits the next guy. Having the option doesnt force you sto stop grinding for ten hours on your alts.

Sometimes, people just get tired of arguing against ideas that should not be implemented in the game. I rarely show up to these topics, or the auction house topics, but that does not change how I feel about them. This is like the 10 billionth time this has been discussed, and no part of this argument, on either side, ever changes substantially.

If there is an achievement or progression in the game, it should be equal for every player in the game. No "options" and no "bypass". Of course, the financial needs of the studio often trump that last part, but that is the world we live in.

I can see no gameplay advantage, at this stage of ESO development, to having options to share skyshards, achievements, POI discovery, lore books, skill points, levels, attribute points, or other earned character-specific things like that across the entire account.

Easy sustainability and longefity of your playerbase.