Post #33,457: nerf sorcs

Feanor · July 2018

What I find hilarious about all this: nobody talks about Stamden any more. Still amazed how their overtuned toolkit is still intact. I predicted we would have a huge outcry come Summerset about Sorcs though. It was inevitable. Everyone senses they finally might have a chance to get the nerfs through they desired for years.

Edit for typo

davey1107 · July 2018

@feanor

Yeah...stam wardens are tough as heck. I don’t love taking one on, and if I end up in terrain that favors him I will be dead, lol.

The reason I find sorcs far more OP than stamdens and stamblade (which both overperform a bit) is that the stam classes don’t get endless resources like sorcs can pull. Part of what makes sorcs so annoying is the way they can proc really powerful damage shields and heals really, really fast. They can mitigate damage almost as fast as the game can apply incoming damage...it’s not uncommon to see a sorc mitigating two nightblades proccing ultimates and full on assaults. Then on top of that they get all easy-mode point and shoot dps skills, which allow them to send out huge damage between the shields. Plus great mobility.

A stam warden can be worn down to zero stamina. Or out-damage their heals, which is tough, but they don’t have cheese shields stacked on top of that.

As always I will end with a peace offering to the cranky sorcs out there...I’m not saying outright nerf them, I’m saying rebalance them as they were originally intended, which is as ranged dps squishy characters, not death tanks, which has made PvP with them effing stupid.

Minalan · July 2018

davey1107 wrote: »

@feanor

Yeah...stam wardens are tough as heck. I don’t love taking one on, and if I end up in terrain that favors him I will be dead, lol.

The reason I find sorcs far more OP than stamdens and stamblade (which both overperform a bit) is that the stam classes don’t get endless resources like sorcs can pull. Part of what makes sorcs so annoying is the way they can proc really powerful damage shields and heals really, really fast. They can mitigate damage almost as fast as the game can apply incoming damage...it’s not uncommon to see a sorc mitigating two nightblades proccing ultimates and full on assaults. Then on top of that they get all easy-mode point and shoot dps skills, which allow them to send out huge damage between the shields. Plus great mobility.

A stam warden can be worn down to zero stamina. Or out-damage their heals, which is tough, but they don’t have cheese shields stacked on top of that.

As always I will end with a peace offering to the cranky sorcs out there...I’m not saying outright nerf them, I’m saying rebalance them as they were originally intended, which is as ranged dps squishy characters, not death tanks, which has made PvP with them effing stupid.

Almost nothing you said above is true.

You haven’t listened to anyone else here so why should I waste my time exposing every outright lie and falsehood above? I won’t. Go back and read.

Irylia · July 2018

Rune cage nerf in exchange for frag stun + dmg return

rimmidimdim · July 2018

I don't care about sorcs other skills, no opinion. But to be CC'd from another continent and watch your inevitable death cause you can't break free even though you are trying, is very frustrating. And not fun. Alot of CC's can be buggy, but this one always is. I've seen someone say it's cause of the animation of the skill, but idk. But it needs fixing/rework/nerf idk, but something. I'm definitely in favor of a range nerf, but then I think, ok but I'll still be CC locked for a sec or two so will still die. But at least the sorc has to close the gap to do it. So maybe a teammate can cc him ect to stay alive ect. Maybe that's balance idk. But this skill needs to be talked about civilly, and with ideas. Not, sorcs are op and a cancer, then counter argument is sorcs are weak and nb's are op. Cheers.

Priyasekarssk · July 2018

davey1107 wrote: »

@feanor

Yeah...stam wardens are tough as heck. I don’t love taking one on, and if I end up in terrain that favors him I will be dead, lol.

The reason I find sorcs far more OP than stamdens and stamblade (which both overperform a bit) is that the stam classes don’t get endless resources like sorcs can pull. Part of what makes sorcs so annoying is the way they can proc really powerful damage shields and heals really, really fast. They can mitigate damage almost as fast as the game can apply incoming damage...it’s not uncommon to see a sorc mitigating two nightblades proccing ultimates and full on assaults. Then on top of that they get all easy-mode point and shoot dps skills, which allow them to send out huge damage between the shields. Plus great mobility.

A stam warden can be worn down to zero stamina. Or out-damage their heals, which is tough, but they don’t have cheese shields stacked on top of that.

As always I will end with a peace offering to the cranky sorcs out there...I’m not saying outright nerf them, I’m saying rebalance them as they were originally intended, which is as ranged dps squishy characters, not death tanks, which has made PvP with them effing stupid.

Level of game is too low. Stam warden no shields ? Stamina warden has 60K shield in addition to heavy armor equivalent to 3 stacked shields of sorc. Sorc death tanks ? I just kill sorc by light attacks alone with CC & shield breaker. For your information I always use stamdens & stam Nbs for PVP.

Mag sorcs alone doesnt stack shields. wardens do . Magick warden has best shields in the game and can stack 3 excellent shields in the game which can scale up to 100k!! Its not overpowerd ? Anything magic sorcs its ovepowered even its done by other classes.

FYI.
All light armor builds always do shield stacking. Magick DK, sorc, wardens do 3 stacks. How in sorc its OP on other classes it dont. So by logic all light armor builds are tanks ? Magicka warden is a mega tank ? I think some good sorc player killed you left and right.

Please learn the game. Dont waste everyone time. No one have time for L2P issues.

White wabbit · July 2018

Couldn't care about all the other skills they can stay as is , the issue for most players is rune cage I don't know what zos did to it since the summerset patch as it's clearly got issues either fix that or revert back to the stun on Crystal frag and then sorcs as far as I care are in a good place

ZarkingFrued · July 2018

I assume this new nerf every class but the one you run thread is in response to the new purpaleslushii emp video? He had emp active and that means wreckage. I could be wrong. I have a video of me killing 5 with the help of resource guards on a stam sorc, a class not even mentioned as being overpowered and able to handle multiple player pressure. It's all in the cards you're dealt on each battle and how you handle the odds. Regardless, I assure you that whatever class you run has 1v6 video, so maybe we should just nerf it instead?

Biro123 · July 2018

Yet hardly anyone says nerf Emp...

ZarkingFrued · July 2018

I wouldn't agree with nerfing emp, I've never had emp, but I think getting emp should have that feeling of being super overpowered, otherwise the reward is not equivalent to the work put in for getting it. Easiest way to nerf it is to dethrone it.

Biro123 · July 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with nerfing emp, I've never had emp, but I think getting emp should have that feeling of being super overpowered, otherwise the reward is not equivalent to the work put in for getting it. Easiest way to nerf it is to dethrone it.

I kind of think the Emp bonus should scale in some way with server population.. I remember playing a few lunchtmes where the entire online faction was getting decimated by an Emp bomber and small handful of his friends as they took keep after keep.. Absolutely nothing could touch em, as the bombs were like getting ran over by a ball-group.

IZZEFlameLash · July 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with nerfing emp, I've never had emp, but I think getting emp should have that feeling of being super overpowered, otherwise the reward is not equivalent to the work put in for getting it. Easiest way to nerf it is to dethrone it.

I kind of think the Emp bonus should scale in some way with server population.. I remember playing a few lunchtmes where the entire online faction was getting decimated by an Emp bomber and small handful of his friends as they took keep after keep.. Absolutely nothing could touch em, as the bombs were like getting ran over by a ball-group.

Emperor status has been meaningless for patches now. The age of a single emperor tanking and killing everyone is gone. Even bomber emp has to at least have 12~20 men to take on a faction stack. And usually, dethrone process involves 2 factions converging on one last keep which also takes ages to even successfully defend against. The emp killing things left and right is a thing of the past. No need to touch emp buffs.

Biro123 · July 2018

Not the off-peak faction stack.. I'm talking 8 to 15 people here.

IZZEFlameLash · July 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

Not the off-peak faction stack.. I'm talking 8 to 15 people here.

Emp being situationally powerful doesn't mean it should get nerfed. But this is a nerf Sorc thread, not nerf emp thread.

Nerf Sorc. In fact, let's continue the trend of giving NBs all the buffs and nerf other classes like Templar to the ground.

Biro123 · July 2018

Yeah, lets get back on topic.. Nerf Sorcs!1 Take their staves away - they don't need em!

ExcaliburESO · July 2018

Mag sorcs are lol.

ExcaliburESO · July 2018

Ez pz