honestly tired of being *** by magsorcs

rfennell_ESO · July 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

You mean to tell us that we should never time our burst?

I'm just saying there is little actual timing involved. It's a sequence that timed by being delayed damage.

It was ok when it was just timing to meet the curse explosion, but now it's a bit different with the current operation of rune cage.

It's not like you have to time out cast haunting curse, cast endless fury, cast rune cage, cast crystal frags to make them all hit at once.

Killset · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

The sad thing is, this is probably true. Friend of mine hadn’t played MagSorc in over a year and with old gear did a 35-2 (or something stupid I dont remember now) in his first BG. ZOS records combat data. Surely they see this right?

Feanor · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Congrats. Your anecdote shows that kill stealing is a thing in BGs (no, you didn't kill the opponents by yourself "with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat") . Besides, try your vMA pet Sorc open world and tell us how OP it is there.

mursie · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Congrats. Your anecdote shows that kill stealing is a thing in BGs (no, you didn't kill the opponents by yourself "with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat") . Besides, try your vMA pet Sorc open world and tell us how OP it is there.

Just tried it, it was OP there as well.

jaws343 · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

The Atro is a strong area denial ability and very decent defensive/offensive ult, especially in BGs. You can drop the atro down next to you and no stam character is coming close to you without losing a ton of health and getting slowed. Far more powerful than meteor imo. And with a tooltip of around 140K damage over 28 seconds (for me at least) it out damages meteor as well without the need for a CC.

Feanor · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Congrats. Your anecdote shows that kill stealing is a thing in BGs (no, you didn't kill the opponents by yourself "with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat") . Besides, try your vMA pet Sorc open world and tell us how OP it is there.

Just tried it, it was OP there as well.

Sure.

Joy_Division · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

PvE specs are actually super effective offensively in PvP. Their problem comes on the defensive. No matter how skilled a player is, the lack of impen, resource sustain, and mitigation capabilities will get them killed if under a lot pressure.

ItsNebula · July 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

the rune cage burst meta is horrible and offers 0 counterplay. stacking 30k damage with a undodgeable/unblockable cc is OP

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

"Not be able to shield if they have it slotted" From hearing this, it sounds like you're just utterly trash at PvP.
Every class is VERY powerful, if put in the right hands. Goblin Sama makes Stam Warden look OP asf, but the class isnt. KenaPK makes MagBlade look OP asf... but its not. Kiri (Pretty sure thats his name) Makes StamPlar look OP asf when again... its not.

L2P, build a tankier build perhaps? Learn to keep MagSorcs on the defense. Not that hard to keep them pressured to the point where every 2 seconds they need to re-shield. Learn to keep your defenses up.
MagSorcs are casters, and having a distant CC is nice. Especially when you zerglings like to sit in the back and spam lethal arrow.
DK's have the EXACT same CC, but just not for at a distance. Why? Because its a MELEE class. But one cries about it.
However, Rune does need a nerf.. in damage and maybe a few meters, but still make it a good distance.

Swimguy · July 2018

roflcopter wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

the rune cage burst meta is horrible and offers 0 counterplay. stacking 30k damage with a undodgeable/unblockable cc is OP

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

If you haven't run into the new overload sorc build, your def in for a treat

ive been hit by 15k+3k glyphs yea..

AverageJo3Gam3r · July 2018

I've had to modify my build to fight the magsorc BG meta. For the first time in a year I put talons back on my bar. Gap close chains are important to stay on top of them as they streak. Talons them and move behind them as soon as the curse goes on you. The delay to properly orient themselves will disrupt the combo. Save your fossilize until you see their health bar budge. You can't burst a sorc through their shields--you need to wait for an opening when they've let their shields expire and fossilize+leap them during that opening. Hopefully your DoTs or a quick whip can take care of the rest.

As always, a perfectly played sorc can just shield stack and a magdk lacks the burst to get through their shields. But most players will get thirsty and you can exploit their greed.

I suspect other builds will have similarly to adapt to fight magsorcs. And some setups will be naturally weak against them. With so many ways to attack their stamina, I feel like mDKs are better at fighting magsorcs. The only ones I have a lot of trouble with 1v1 are the ones running engine guardian that know to streak after the proc starts so I have to choose between interrupting the guardian or staying on top of them. Gives them time to drop and arm mines or setup their burst combo.

AverageJo3Gam3r · July 2018

Killset wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

The sad thing is, this is probably true. Friend of mine hadn’t played MagSorc in over a year and with old gear did a 35-2 (or something stupid I dont remember now) in his first BG. ZOS records combat data. Surely they see this right?

If a single player is getting 20+ kills in a deathmatch then the other players were garbage. Target prioritization is key to winning deathmatch. Healers, then magsorcs, then stamblades, then everyone else. That's my kill order. Healers for obvious reasons. Magsorcs will win a game if you let them stay back and kill steal. They can't steal kills if they're dead or running away from you shield stacking. Stamblades have their massive defiles with incap so they get next priority, and I always PUG in BGs so I don't assume my team mates know how to pull a NB from stealth to kill him.

brandonv516 · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Congrats. Your anecdote shows that kill stealing is a thing in BGs (no, you didn't kill the opponents by yourself "with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat") . Besides, try your vMA pet Sorc open world and tell us how OP it is there.

No it proves that some of the Sorcs skills are so friendly to casual players, they make it easy to get kills (and somehow win) with.

I can do the same thing (and I have recently) as the person you quoted, and I play my magsorc maybe once a month at most. I am very much a "noob" on my magsorc.

Looking at my DM history, Sorcerers have determined the direction of the match in most cases. Is that wrong? Maybe not. But it says a whole lot.

Waffennacht · July 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Congrats. Your anecdote shows that kill stealing is a thing in BGs (no, you didn't kill the opponents by yourself "with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat") . Besides, try your vMA pet Sorc open world and tell us how OP it is there.

No it proves that some of the Sorcs skills are so friendly to casual players, they make it easy to get kills (and somehow win) with.

I can do the same thing (and I have recently) as the person you quoted, and I play my magsorc maybe once a month at most. I am very much a "noob" on my magsorc.

Looking at my DM history, Sorcerers have determined the direction of the match in most cases. Is that wrong? Maybe not. But it says a whole lot.

The only classes that have a hard time getting kills are those with out unblockable undodgeable CCs and executes

Tesfa · July 2018

You can’t even CC break rune cage properly.

Fossilize is not as broken as rune cage imo. A DK gets in fossilize range enemy teammates focus you and kill you or just purge all your dots. Then you don’t have the sustain to make it out the fight and reset.

mSorc
Put a *** load of abilities on you from miles away. Then next thing you know you’re rune caged ( all is fair at this point even rune cage). Attempts to break rune cage are 50/50 for either it breaks or I’m spamming break free even though I have 50% stam. Next thing you know you blow up at 40% hp cause some preset execute that steals all kills in BGs. What?

When I play BGs if I get a sorc on my team I follow him and just kill the man rune caged who cannot protect himself. I’ve literally seen too many people get rune caged on initiation all teammates use one ability dude blows up from that mage execute nonsense.

If I get a mDK I follow him and still have to fight more balanced and enjoyable matches. Occasionally a dude gets fossilized and gets the dog piled but no preset executes means he can cc break and reset.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

ItsNebula wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

the rune cage burst meta is horrible and offers 0 counterplay. stacking 30k damage with a undodgeable/unblockable cc is OP

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

"Not be able to shield if they have it slotted" From hearing this, it sounds like you're just utterly trash at PvP.
Every class is VERY powerful, if put in the right hands. Goblin Sama makes Stam Warden look OP asf, but the class isnt. KenaPK makes MagBlade look OP asf... but its not. Kiri (Pretty sure thats his name) Makes StamPlar look OP asf when again... its not.

L2P, build a tankier build perhaps? Learn to keep MagSorcs on the defense. Not that hard to keep them pressured to the point where every 2 seconds they need to re-shield. Learn to keep your defenses up.
MagSorcs are casters, and having a distant CC is nice. Especially when you zerglings like to sit in the back and spam lethal arrow.
DK's have the EXACT same CC, but just not for at a distance. Why? Because its a MELEE class. But one cries about it.
However, Rune does need a nerf.. in damage and maybe a few meters, but still make it a good distance.

Hey @Waffennacht we just got another box checked!

mursie · July 2018

Tesfa wrote: »

You can’t even CC break rune cage properly.

Fossilize is not as broken as rune cage imo. A DK gets in fossilize range enemy teammates focus you and kill you or just purge all your dots. Then you don’t have the sustain to make it out the fight and reset.

mSorc
Put a *** load of abilities on you from miles away. Then next thing you know you’re rune caged ( all is fair at this point even rune cage). Attempts to break rune cage are 50/50 for either it breaks or I’m spamming break free even though I have 50% stam. Next thing you know you blow up at 40% hp cause some preset execute that steals all kills in BGs. What?

When I play BGs if I get a sorc on my team I follow him and just kill the man rune caged who cannot protect himself. I’ve literally seen too many people get rune caged on initiation all teammates use one ability dude blows up from that mage execute nonsense.

If I get a mDK I follow him and still have to fight more balanced and enjoyable matches. Occasionally a dude gets fossilized and gets the dog piled but no preset executes means he can cc break and reset.

rune cage should be a stam sorc ability - (i.e. melee range). that is all.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2018

Urvoth wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

Rune cage can't 1 shot by itself, it's a timed combination of rune cage with like 4 other skills and a damage increase enchantment.

Yeah, rune cage is OP but so is fossilize and incap(current patch, not pts). Fossilize is literally a melee range rune cage, and both of them are broken. ZOS really just needs to do a big rework of PvP skills in general.

Some classes could stand to have CC as well.

Waffennacht · July 2018

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

Rune cage can't 1 shot by itself, it's a timed combination of rune cage with like 4 other skills and a damage increase enchantment.

Yeah, rune cage is OP but so is fossilize and incap(current patch, not pts). Fossilize is literally a melee range rune cage, and both of them are broken. ZOS really just needs to do a big rework of PvP skills in general.

Some classes could stand to have CC as well.

This so much. Rather than remove CCs, they should expand them to other classes.

To me it seems the CCs are the counter play to many builds (i.e. tank with block/permablock and dodgeroll enthusiasts)

I would even be down for making accelerated drain unblockable/undodgeable (kinda felt like should have been anyway)

And I would prefer them to be single Target, AoE + CC = too much in many cases (Zerg time stop type stuff)

oxygen_thief · July 2018

shields, cage and curse should be removed. sorcs should have access only to light attacks but with limited range. i think 2 meters would be enough for them. oh, i forgot about a frag. its a free damage it should be removed too

Lord-Otto · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Play open Cyro and your laughter will die quickly, as do your pets, IF they're even participating in the fight.
Also, your gear is TERRIBLE for PvE - but quute good for PvP. Misleading argument you have going there...

GawdSB · July 2018

Urvoth wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

fix runecage by making the sorcs not be able to shield if they have it slotted. why should you be able to one shot everyone if we cant do it back?

Rune cage can't 1 shot by itself, it's a timed combination of rune cage with like 4 other skills and a damage increase enchantment.

Yeah, rune cage is OP but so is fossilize and incap(current patch, not pts). Fossilize is literally a melee range rune cage, and both of them are broken. ZOS really just needs to do a big rework of PvP skills in general.

Wrong, fossilize is far from OP considering the class it's on. Dks have no execute, no mobility, and fossilize requires you to be within a certain reasonable range. This is not even comparable to rune cage.

Minalan · July 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Play open Cyro and your laughter will die quickly, as do your pets, IF they're even participating in the fight.
Also, your gear is TERRIBLE for PvE - but quute good for PvP. Misleading argument you have going there...

Pets mess with targeting, so you keep beating on the pets instead of the Sorc. The targeting system is what makes them ridiculous in duels or small scale. You can even tab target the Sorc and miss.

Xvorg · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

People whom joined this year asking for balance changes as if they know what has brought us here.

Maybe it's Ike an ESO growth thing.

I remember when I was an unskilled noob I wanted cloak nerfed, but then I L2P

Maybe we will see something similar to that here

It's funny that "L2P" is somehow the answer to rune cage when you have players like Feng Rush complaining about how op rune cage is, because there is no counter. You can't "L2P" against it, because there is nothing you can do to prevent it.
So, are you saying Feng Rush needs to L2P?
If the answer is yes, you are simply out of touch, and defending something because you use it knowing how ridiculous it is.

He started playing again? If you'd been on the forums, he and I almost always argue. He's like the worst guy to quote to me. He had a point on smart heal vs dumb damage but that's like the extent we agree on.

I actually talked to the man (when he played...) Have you?

I heard what he said...is there a point that you've talked to him? Because that doesn't change, at all, what he said about rune cage being ridiculous.
Thanks for your non-point though..

My point is, if you've talked to him, you'd know he's not the end all be all of ESO. He is just like the rest of us, and just because e has an opinion you share, it's not a point.

I suppose TLDR: my non point was in response to your non point

He doesn't have to be the end all be all of ESO.
My point is he's one of the best, if not THE BEST, PvP player on any platform, and he has a hard time dealing with rune cage. For the simple fact that there's no counter play to it...at all.
My point is if a player of his caliber has a hard time dealing with it, you can't just pass it off as it being solely a "L2P" issue.
It's a dismissive tactic because no one who uses it looks at it honestly. You want free, easy kills, and admitting it's op might lead to a change, so those who use it defend it so it doesn't go away. A few sorcs have come out saying it's ridiculous, but most won't.
Cheers to those honest players out there...wish there were more like you.

ehm, no. He's good, but not the best.

BTW I haven't seen Cody complaining about rune cage

Xvorg · July 2018

I miss good old complaints about shards...

By the way, as someone said, the problem is not cage, it is the combo of unblockable CC + execute at 28 mts range.

There's a reason why DKs have no execute
There's a reason why magplars have almost no CC and it's execute takes couple of seconds to work
There's a reason why NB CC and execute works on melee...

I know it's a mythological animal, but balance was a nice concept some years ago... saddly we wil never see it, because balance don't sell chapters, or patches or whatever they want to sell to us...

jaws343 · July 2018

Xvorg wrote: »

I miss good old complaints about shards...

By the way, as someone said, the problem is not cage, it is the combo of unblockable CC + execute at 28 mts range.

There's a reason why DKs have no execute
There's a reason why magplars have almost no CC and it's execute takes couple of seconds to work
There's a reason why NB CC and execute works on melee...

I know it's a mythological animal, but balance was a nice concept some years ago... saddly we wil never see it, because balance don't sell chapters, or patches or whatever they want to sell to us...

But that unblockable CC plus execute combo has been around since CWC and people are just now complaining about it 9 months later.

Koolio · July 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

I miss good old complaints about shards...

By the way, as someone said, the problem is not cage, it is the combo of unblockable CC + execute at 28 mts range.

There's a reason why DKs have no execute
There's a reason why magplars have almost no CC and it's execute takes couple of seconds to work
There's a reason why NB CC and execute works on melee...

I know it's a mythological animal, but balance was a nice concept some years ago... saddly we wil never see it, because balance don't sell chapters, or patches or whatever they want to sell to us...

But that unblockable CC plus execute combo has been around since CWC and people are just now complaining about it 9 months later.

Just about enough time for everyone to catch on and level a magic Sorc.

Before there was 4-5 extremely good magic sorcs that played them everyday on my server. Now anyone who is moderately decent to really good (not quite as much as the legends) are on them. All of them. Groups of 10-15 magic sorcs on all factions at every fight.

MalagenR · July 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

For those typing L2P:
How to avoid/counter undodgeable, unblockable, instant spamable hard CC stun (other than get brief CC immunity from some other stun in a first place that is) ? ? ?

Seriously. If you know an easy counter that will not compromise your build completely - just type it and share the knowledge.

Truly, my Counter to mag sorc is (on my Stam characters) 3.5k base wpn dmg + 30k+ Stam (no CP stats) and to slot a gap closer

I try to have the initial attack. This is pretty huge as a Sorc needs to set up his burst. If he is forces into playing defensive first he must use the CC prior to burst dmg, meaning you will be given an opportunity to counter if he goes offensive.

With high damage stats the sorc is forced to play defensive. If you are running a build that needs to be hit to proc stats (i.e. fury, 7th etc) you're gonna be too slow. As the combo will already be in progress.

I do not count to six. Too long. It's apply dots on shield, hard CC, hard hitting ability. The dots during CC will weaken the shield, then your hard hitter should finish off the shield and hit health (Sorcs r squishy with no shield) then they CC break and will start recasting Shields. You maintain pressure until you can CC again (wut 5 sec, easy peezy, if they use pot + streak, well get outta there until you again have the advantage)

Eventually they will be in execute range, while casting Shields. Executes are necessary. Your execute is far cheaper than healing ward, you will eventually win the execute spam vs shield spam war.

A sorc needs like 3 GCDs to combo if you can't disrupt a build in 3 GCDs, your build is too defensive to win this match

You are a true PVP'er.

nemvar · July 2018

Just slot Meridias! If they can't hit you, you can't die!

IZZEFlameLash · July 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

You mean to tell us that we should never time our burst?

I'm just saying there is little actual timing involved. It's a sequence that timed by being delayed damage.

It was ok when it was just timing to meet the curse explosion, but now it's a bit different with the current operation of rune cage.

It's not like you have to time out cast haunting curse, cast endless fury, cast rune cage, cast crystal frags to make them all hit at once.

Literally, every single games out there can be simplified into button presses which theoretically will be doable for 3 years olds as you say. But, it does take more to set up a proper line up everything you got at the right time and waiting is also another thing and ESO is no different. Waiting for everything to hit at once for burst is still surprisingly hard for a lot of people. Memorizing sequences of burst didn't come with you at your birth. Or knew about it until you played enough, I'd say it is more skillful play than mindlessly attacking till you yourself is out of resources.

Lord-Otto · July 2018

Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

no joke - god's honest truth. I have a vMA pet magsorc that i have used ONLY for vMA pve. I took it into BG's wearing the following gear:

1. Shadowrend 2 pc
2. Shacklebreaker
3. necropotence (jewels and two lightning staffs)

I kept both my pets, the heal twilight matriarch (which is useless in pvp btw) and the volatile familiar and the pet curse (not haunting). I kept hardened ward. I put rune cage, endless fury, force pulse, and elemental drain on the bars to round out the skills.

I have no idea how to play magsorc in pvp. absolutely no clue. I went into bg's and it sounded like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies in there. I've never heard so much snap, crackle, pop in my life. 20 kills later, i'm on the floor dialing 911 because i've fallen on the floor, i'm rolling, and I can't get up. The laughing is to much.

I can't even begin to imagine what a properly specced, properly played, magsorc could actually do. Because my completely butchered pve spec was murdering people. Did I mention I don't even have meteor? literally running the stone atronach. lol.

just felt like I had to open with Ele drain and then LA-curse-LA-wrath-LA-pulse and rinse / repeat. The hardest part was having to remember to continually re-cast my dead pets. other than that... just sit back and snap/crackle/pop my way to victory.

PS - i had so much fun that I do have a slight itch to play this thing properly. To that end, does anyone have the skill bars and gear advice on how to actually play this thing the correct way?

Play open Cyro and your laughter will die quickly, as do your pets, IF they're even participating in the fight.
Also, your gear is TERRIBLE for PvE - but quute good for PvP. Misleading argument you have going there...

Pets mess with targeting, so you keep beating on the pets instead of the Sorc. The targeting system is what makes them ridiculous in duels or small scale. You can even tab target the Sorc and miss.

I know. EG does the same.
Which makes me wonder... IF we were to make pets untargetable and invincible, it would solve A LOT of PvE and PvP problems. Obviously, the only drawback is that in PvP, you might wanna dispatch them every now and then. Hm.