For how long we are still having cloak to be used indiscriminately?

usmguy1234 · July 2018

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

cloak is our only defense, and our only way to play stealth.
there's nothing wrong with cloak, please leave us nightblades alone.

Nope. You got 18k health nightblades that spam snipe from the safety of stealth that cry for sorc nerfs continuously on the forums. Time to share the love.

...and then you have 18k (and even less) health sorcs spamming Rune Cages & executes from the safety of damage shields making snarky comments & pretending to hold some kind of a moral high ground. Oh well...

usmcjdking wrote: »

NBs overperform because of 2 things.

1) Cloak counters outside of magelight are detrimental to the player using them (Evil Hunter *** 5k base cost, use potion just to see a player who will have a potion available).
2) Incap.

Incap has been addressed. Cloak counters are far too weak to justify using ATM outside of radiant magelight.

Cloak counters are too weak or they're too strong - let's not forget the other end of the equation here.

Last I checked Piercing Mark still practically disabled the main defense of NBs for 30 seconds & Detection Potion for 15,7 seconds (with the caveat of 20m range).

Given the amount of kills I'm getting on other NBs, I'd say Bombard/Acid Spray could also make it to the list.

The main issues are with classes that don't have strong spammables, for whom it's practically "det pot or go home" when fighting NBs that can spam cloak (not just use it 2-3 times in a row like most stamblades in noCP), take mDK for instance that has pretty much just Volatile Armor to fight cloak spam (barring possible set choices such as Overwhelming), a skill that isn't designed to be spammable.

Or Warden, which basically has to pray those shalks connect...

That's why it'd be ideal if revealing a NB from cloak disabled it for 2-3 seconds. And of course garbage skills like Evil Hunter/Radiant Magelight should be more worth slotting.

Looks like I struck a nerve but unlike you we cannot disappear from a fight when things don't go our way. Granted we've had this argument before but you still feel the need to comment.

I can do that just fine with Streak & invisibility pot on my sorcerer. Maybe it's a L2P issue.

Nah. I fight people face on and reposition if I have to. If I die so what. I don't feel the need to hide.

DDuke · July 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

cloak is our only defense, and our only way to play stealth.
there's nothing wrong with cloak, please leave us nightblades alone.

Nope. You got 18k health nightblades that spam snipe from the safety of stealth that cry for sorc nerfs continuously on the forums. Time to share the love.

...and then you have 18k (and even less) health sorcs spamming Rune Cages & executes from the safety of damage shields making snarky comments & pretending to hold some kind of a moral high ground. Oh well...

usmcjdking wrote: »

NBs overperform because of 2 things.

1) Cloak counters outside of magelight are detrimental to the player using them (Evil Hunter *** 5k base cost, use potion just to see a player who will have a potion available).
2) Incap.

Incap has been addressed. Cloak counters are far too weak to justify using ATM outside of radiant magelight.

Cloak counters are too weak or they're too strong - let's not forget the other end of the equation here.

Last I checked Piercing Mark still practically disabled the main defense of NBs for 30 seconds & Detection Potion for 15,7 seconds (with the caveat of 20m range).

Given the amount of kills I'm getting on other NBs, I'd say Bombard/Acid Spray could also make it to the list.

The main issues are with classes that don't have strong spammables, for whom it's practically "det pot or go home" when fighting NBs that can spam cloak (not just use it 2-3 times in a row like most stamblades in noCP), take mDK for instance that has pretty much just Volatile Armor to fight cloak spam (barring possible set choices such as Overwhelming), a skill that isn't designed to be spammable.

Or Warden, which basically has to pray those shalks connect...

That's why it'd be ideal if revealing a NB from cloak disabled it for 2-3 seconds. And of course garbage skills like Evil Hunter/Radiant Magelight should be more worth slotting.

Looks like I struck a nerve but unlike you we cannot disappear from a fight when things don't go our way. Granted we've had this argument before but you still feel the need to comment.

I can do that just fine with Streak & invisibility pot on my sorcerer. Maybe it's a L2P issue.

Nah. I fight people face on and reposition if I have to. If I die so what. I don't feel the need to hide.

Good for you.

The beauty of (MMO)RPGs is that we can all play roles we enjoy playing.

Gilvoth · July 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

cloak is our only defense, and our only way to play stealth.
there's nothing wrong with cloak, please leave us nightblades alone.

Nope. You got 18k health nightblades that spam snipe from the safety of stealth that cry for sorc nerfs continuously on the forums. Time to share the love.

...and then you have 18k (and even less) health sorcs spamming Rune Cages & executes from the safety of damage shields making snarky comments & pretending to hold some kind of a moral high ground. Oh well...

usmcjdking wrote: »

NBs overperform because of 2 things.

1) Cloak counters outside of magelight are detrimental to the player using them (Evil Hunter *** 5k base cost, use potion just to see a player who will have a potion available).
2) Incap.

Incap has been addressed. Cloak counters are far too weak to justify using ATM outside of radiant magelight.

Cloak counters are too weak or they're too strong - let's not forget the other end of the equation here.

Last I checked Piercing Mark still practically disabled the main defense of NBs for 30 seconds & Detection Potion for 15,7 seconds (with the caveat of 20m range).

Given the amount of kills I'm getting on other NBs, I'd say Bombard/Acid Spray could also make it to the list.

The main issues are with classes that don't have strong spammables, for whom it's practically "det pot or go home" when fighting NBs that can spam cloak (not just use it 2-3 times in a row like most stamblades in noCP), take mDK for instance that has pretty much just Volatile Armor to fight cloak spam (barring possible set choices such as Overwhelming), a skill that isn't designed to be spammable.

Or Warden, which basically has to pray those shalks connect...

That's why it'd be ideal if revealing a NB from cloak disabled it for 2-3 seconds. And of course garbage skills like Evil Hunter/Radiant Magelight should be more worth slotting.

Looks like I struck a nerve but unlike you we cannot disappear from a fight when things don't go our way. Granted we've had this argument before but you still feel the need to comment.

I can do that just fine with Streak & invisibility pot on my sorcerer. Maybe it's a L2P issue.

Nah. I fight people face on and reposition if I have to. If I die so what. I don't feel the need to hide.

thats fine for you, and you can play like that if you wish to.

but for those of us that play stealth, we need our invisibility and our stealth because we are stealth play and class of stealth, please stop trying to destroy our stealth play.

SilverWF · July 2018

Good players asking for buffs.
Bad players asking for nerfs.

We must ignore bad players, because their opinion irrelevant

Rianai · July 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

Good players asking for buffs.
Bad players asking for nerfs.

We must ignore bad players, because their opinion irrelevant

Good balance usually requires both buffs and nerfs (to the right things). Good players know this ...

Reloader84 · July 2018

Oh look its a sorc complaining about cloak that's new.....(insert sarcasm)

There are far too many ways to bring a NB out of stealth from cloak. The guy that is saying L2Play is 100% right.

Unfortunately, Zenimax doens't want to really bring sorcs to balance with anyone else. Sorcs complain that a stamblade can cloak 5-6 times consecutively in combat, with multiple ways to counter it (Detect pots(they make theses in immovable/magicka btw), mage light, expert hunter, poisons, flare, and pretty much any aoe if you arent dumb. While on the other hand Sorcs get insane ranged burst, the most powerful single target ultimate, a ranged uninterruptable undodgable, unblockable stun, mobility via streak (also they can use an ability to get their magicka back, stackable shields, and major speed buff. but hey.. they arent broken

Savos_Saren · July 2018

I don't mind cloak so much- but the fact that Cloak negates the DoTs of my mDK… is ***. Being a DoT-based class- it certainly makes no sense that my DoTs can be ignored so easily. Sure- cloak can keep a NB invisible while my DoT is on them... but they should still take damage from it!

Furthermore- how does it make sense that a NB can cloak while in my talons? Or that my undodgable chains read as "miss" vs "dodged"? It's the same damn thing. They've just replaced the word "dodge" with "miss" to make it legitimate.

mb10 · July 2018

Streak then stack your shield

Nb's will have to go invisible then... cast malevolent offering on someone else for 6k health lol

As long as NBs have no proper self heal or shields, I even think the invis should buff or remove dots. Crazy how the whole class has no burst heal or shield

Cage_Lizardman · July 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

As long as NBs have no proper self heal or shields, I even think the invis should buff or remove dots. Crazy how the whole class has no burst heal or shield

Neither do stamina templars. When they buff rune focus to make me immune to dots while standing inside it, I'll admit cloak is not that OP.

Gprime31 · July 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

There are several easy solutions. Your failure to utilize any of them is your problem.

Incorrect. There are several limited, flawed solutions to an utterly broken mechanic that shouldn't even exist. Cloak in ESO is massively, stupidly OP. A cost increase for subsequent casts would be a fair solution.

Incorrect. DB+ spin-to-win easy hard counter to nightblades. If anyone has trouble with cloak it is a l2p issue. Simple.

Twohothardware · July 2018

Nearly everything in the game pulls you out of Cloak. Lightning heavy attack spam, any AOE skills and Ults which are everywhere with Zergs, skills like DK's Spiked Armor or just Spin2Win Steel Tornado, if a Sorc hits you with Curse or a Meteor it pulls you out when it goes off, then you have Magelight, Detect Pots, and so on. It would be shorter to make a list of things that don't pull you out of Stealth.

Meanwhile what stops a Sorc from Streaking across the map? A snare? Snares have never slowed down half the Sorcs I've chased after and they're getting ready to cut Snare time in half this next patch. And unlike a Nightblade when a Sorc gets done Streaking a half a dozen times it has another skill called Dark Conversion that lets you get all your Magicka back using the Stamina you used none of making your way across the map.

Lord_Ninka · July 2018

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I use two of those counters on a regular basis (magelight and flare) and I know that they work rather well. Even on a stamina character I can keep off cloak spammers without anyone else in my group slotting counters. You say it brings them out of cloak for a second and then they disappear again, but that's not how these abilities work. When you're revealed you can't go into sneak or use invisibility for 3 seconds. Keep them in the revealing field and they can't do it at all.

Stibbons · July 2018

"Revealing flare needs to hit the ground faster. Once again it’s not worth wasting a slot over if the night blade can just walk out of the targeted area."

It really just hits too slowly on area. It is too easily avoided just by sneaking with broken hip slow sneak.

PapaWeeb · July 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I don't think cloak should be nerfed, but streak should be un nerfed

remove the stunn and remove any and all damage it does.
that would make it equal to cloak.

I think that would be a great morph option for ball of lightning, remove all damage + cc but a static cost

OGLezard · July 2018

Wait.....we had the range reduced on streak and were granted nothing to make up for it..... then we had its cost doubled every cast within 4 seconds of the previous....with nothing to make up for it.

You want to give invis the streak treatment, then they dont get anything extra for feeling such a harsh punishment for using a class skill.

Fair is fair, but zos is zos lolol

Slick_007 · July 2018

TLDR: i shouldnt have to use any of the options available to counter their ability that i dont like, it should just be nerfed so i dont have to change my build.

did i get this thread right?

usmguy1234 · July 2018

Slick_007 wrote: »

TLDR: i shouldnt have to use any of the options available to counter their ability that i dont like, it should just be nerfed so i dont have to change my build.

did i get this thread right?

That's pretty much the same argument that sorcs used for rune prison yet the forum runneth over with nightblade
tears. We're just trying to beat nightblades at their own game. Alas they are greatly more experienced at forum griefing but I think we are getting the hang of it.

ragingruby1991 · July 2018

My only issue with nightblades is that they can stealth while taking damage. That’s straight BS. No one should be able to turn invisible while being attacked.

It’s even funnier when you have a Nightblade in talons and they stealth in the talons lol. Totally ridiculous. Same thing with sorcerer streak. You talons a Sorcerer and they streak with the talons still on them. WTF kind of sense does that make?

grannas211 · July 2018

Twohothardware wrote: »

Nearly everything in the game pulls you out of Cloak. Lightning heavy attack spam, any AOE skills and Ults which are everywhere with Zergs, skills like DK's Spiked Armor or just Spin2Win Steel Tornado, if a Sorc hits you with Curse or a Meteor it pulls you out when it goes off, then you have Magelight, Detect Pots, and so on. It would be shorter to make a list of things that don't pull you out of Stealth.

Meanwhile what stops a Sorc from Streaking across the map? A snare? Snares have never slowed down half the Sorcs I've chased after and they're getting ready to cut Snare time in half this next patch. And unlike a Nightblade when a Sorc gets done Streaking a half a dozen times it has another skill called Dark Conversion that lets you get all your Magicka back using the Stamina you used none of making your way across the map.

Cost increase. People spamming gap closers still catch you easily. Lol at thinking cloak is worse than streak.

Cenom · July 2018

Lol at people saying I am a MagSorc... I just gave an example of a toxic skill being dealt with... I am 1062 CP (15 characters, 5 templars, 3 DKs, 2 Nightblades, 2 Wardens, 3 Sorcerers), have all classes and I mainly PvP with Templar (Mostly Stamplar ATM), I used to play Magplar past patches but the lack of mobility and burst (without proc sets) annoys me, which makes playing solo frustrating as hell.

As I said, I don't mind ZOS giving more survivability options to balance the lack of permastealth, but if you guys don't find this mechanic toxic as f, I don't know what to say. And I don't really care about your roleplaying in Cyrodil, go do it in The Rift.

And yes, I don't want to keep slotting useless in skills in my kit just to beat one class, I don't think it should work this way, imo it's just a flawed way to see the game. Specially because most of these skills are useless even if you use that for this only purpose.

Defilted · July 2018

I do not think we need more nerfs. This goes for cloak as well as other class skills outside of NB. I want to see counters to abilities.

For example if ZOS creates a new ability for a class and that ability is effective in PVP, then I want to see another update to an existing skill or another new skill to counter that ability. Nerfing skills that are fun is not a good idea. We want the game to be fun. We need hard/soft counters to skills in the PVP zone.

Detect pots are completely acceptable for me to find stealthed targets. Stealth targets are super squishy becasue they think you cannot see them. I use them in pursuit as well. I play a StamSorc most of the time. Yes you must sacrifice a immovable for the time being but taking away the advantage to stealth and ambush you is enough to kill the target in most cases with a immovability pot IMO.

On a side note.

I do not main a Stambalde, but I do have one and I can tell you it is not as easy as it seems to use cloak and be successful. Maybe easier for a Magblade, but I would not know as I do not PVP with one.

Derra · July 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I don't think cloak should be nerfed, but streak should be un nerfed

remove the stunn and remove any and all damage it does.
that would make it equal to cloak.

if streak prevents dots from dealing dmg + any form of singletarget attacks sure

DDuke · July 2018

Cenom wrote: »

Lol at people saying I am a MagSorc... I just gave an example of a toxic skill being dealt with... I am 1062 CP (15 characters, 5 templars, 3 DKs, 2 Nightblades, 2 Wardens, 3 Sorcerers), have all classes and I mainly PvP with Templar (Mostly Stamplar ATM), I used to play Magplar past patches but the lack of mobility and burst (without proc sets) annoys me, which makes playing solo frustrating as hell.

As I said, I don't mind ZOS giving more survivability options to balance the lack of permastealth, but if you guys don't find this mechanic toxic as f, I don't know what to say. And I don't really care about your roleplaying in Cyrodil, go do it in The Rift.

And yes, I don't want to keep slotting useless in skills in my kit just to beat one class, I don't think it should work this way, imo it's just a flawed way to see the game. Specially because most of these skills are useless even if you use that for this only purpose.

You don't need useless skills on a stamplar?

Jabs/POTL are excellent counters to stamblade - the only time one should ever escape one is when they use Shadow Image and/or LOS & it takes pretty much just one well timed DBOS (oh look, another skill that counters cloak) to global a medium stamblade.

I'd understand if you were playing Warden or mDK and complaining about one, but stamplar of all things? Smh...

Durham · July 2018

DDuke wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

cloak is our only defense, and our only way to play stealth.
there's nothing wrong with cloak, please leave us nightblades alone.

so you need defense this is a class that specializes in upfront burst ? BTW cloak is best mitigation among the stam classes ... With speed this ability is over performing...

What defense does a stam dk have ??? Shield 2k shield lol

Reflect vs projectiles, passive +12% healing, more spell resistance & 10% stronger block as well as a burst heal every time they use an ultimate.

Durham wrote: »

What about a Stam Templar AE snare???

AoE snare that cleanses things like Sload, Curse, Fury, POTL, Embers, Major Defile etc etc, stronger block vs melee attacks, more native spell resistance & Minor Mend (+8% healing).

Durham wrote: »

Stam Warden yes they have burst heals and damage shield from ranged attacks ...

Well, you got one out of five right.

Durham wrote: »

I'm sorry but NB are currently over performing against other stam classes ....

Overperforming? No.

But they were (and probably still are) far too easy to play. This patch addressed a big part of the reason why (Incap stun).

Nope .. Stam DKs don t reflect very well sir... Blocking is crazy atm you hold block down your drained crazy amounts of stam... 12% more healing vs total dot mitigation with cloak give me break... by the way that ultimate burst heal on leap is crap it's cut in half in PVP and more if defiled..

Stam Templar how much magicka do you think purge costs on that class? They can't spam it ...

Overperforming yes NBs are ! I play all the stam classes by far the easiest to play and get crazy kill rates is the NB my magicka sorc is a very close second.... My stam Dk is the worst in stats btw... I did switch my stam sorc to magicka .. So I have not played a stam sorc in a while to make comment on them..

Healing bonuses that you mention are 40 to 45% weaker due to defiles ... Avoiding damage is king to healing it at the moment ... That s why NB with cloak and Sorcs with shields are superior atm...

DDuke · July 2018

Durham wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

cloak is our only defense, and our only way to play stealth.
there's nothing wrong with cloak, please leave us nightblades alone.

so you need defense this is a class that specializes in upfront burst ? BTW cloak is best mitigation among the stam classes ... With speed this ability is over performing...

What defense does a stam dk have ??? Shield 2k shield lol

Reflect vs projectiles, passive +12% healing, more spell resistance & 10% stronger block as well as a burst heal every time they use an ultimate.

Durham wrote: »

What about a Stam Templar AE snare???

AoE snare that cleanses things like Sload, Curse, Fury, POTL, Embers, Major Defile etc etc, stronger block vs melee attacks, more native spell resistance & Minor Mend (+8% healing).

Durham wrote: »

Stam Warden yes they have burst heals and damage shield from ranged attacks ...

Well, you got one out of five right.

Durham wrote: »

I'm sorry but NB are currently over performing against other stam classes ....

Overperforming? No.

But they were (and probably still are) far too easy to play. This patch addressed a big part of the reason why (Incap stun).

Nope .. Stam DKs don t reflect very well sir... Blocking is crazy atm you hold block down your drained crazy amounts of stam... 12% more healing vs total dot mitigation with cloak give me break...

I could link you dozens of youtube videos (from recent patches) where people tank 10+ people on a stam or magicka DK, you've just gotta build for it.

As for reflect, with just 1580 magicka regen you can infinitely keep reflecting projectiles from one opponent & that calculation doesn't even account for Battle Roar/potion usage.

Also two seconds of using Deep Thoughts fully recovers the cost of wings.

Durham wrote: »

Stam Templar how much magicka do you think purge costs on that class? They can't spam it ...

...and you think I can spam cloak on a stamblade?

The costs are very similar: 4148 Magicka for Extended Ritual where as cloak is 3780 Magicka.

One of those abilities actually gets rid of the DoTs (and other effects) - unless those DoTs have <3s duration they'll still be up after cloak duration ends (which might very well be instantly).

Durham wrote: »

Overperforming yes NBs are ! I play all the stam classes by far the easiest to play and get crazy kill rates is the NB my magicka sorc is a very close second.... My stam Dk is the worst in stats btw... I did switch my stam sorc to magicka and that's also overperforming...

Yeah, you know why they were/are overperforming? Because you have access to the easiest and most efficient burst combo in the entire game (Relentless+Incap).

On Live you literally need only two button clicks to kill most of the average players.

This is fixed now, thank god.

Durham wrote: »

Healing bonuses that you mention are 40 to 45% weaker due to defiles ... Avoiding damage is king to healing it at the moment ... That s why NB with cloak and Sorcs with shields are superior atm...

...and defiles are also getting nerfed in this patch. Yay.

NB is only strong when you're actually able to cloak - there's plenty of times when that becomes impossible and then you're just worse version of other classes (apart from the broken Incap burst) with a wasted skill slot.

I'm talking of times when you're Piercing Marked, det potted, Rune Cage one shot, Curse/POTL spammed/sloaded or fighting vs builds like mine that simply destroy other cloak/dodge oriented NBs with Bombard/Acid Spray (if I don't one shot them from stealth first).

Cenom · July 2018

DDuke wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

Lol at people saying I am a MagSorc... I just gave an example of a toxic skill being dealt with... I am 1062 CP (15 characters, 5 templars, 3 DKs, 2 Nightblades, 2 Wardens, 3 Sorcerers), have all classes and I mainly PvP with Templar (Mostly Stamplar ATM), I used to play Magplar past patches but the lack of mobility and burst (without proc sets) annoys me, which makes playing solo frustrating as hell.

As I said, I don't mind ZOS giving more survivability options to balance the lack of permastealth, but if you guys don't find this mechanic toxic as f, I don't know what to say. And I don't really care about your roleplaying in Cyrodil, go do it in The Rift.

And yes, I don't want to keep slotting useless in skills in my kit just to beat one class, I don't think it should work this way, imo it's just a flawed way to see the game. Specially because most of these skills are useless even if you use that for this only purpose.

You don't need useless skills on a stamplar?

Jabs/POTL are excellent counters to stamblade - the only time one should ever escape one is when they use Shadow Image and/or LOS & it takes pretty much just one well timed DBOS (oh look, another skill that counters cloak) to global a medium stamblade.

I'd understand if you were playing Warden or mDK and complaining about one, but stamplar of all things? Smh...

Why do I need to be biased to complain about a toxic and flawed mechanic in game? LOL
Doesn't matter really, even If I was a main Nightblade I would probably have the same opinion; besides I did play both Magicka and Stamblade in PvP in the past... But now they are respected to PvE, since they are meta both Stamina and Magicka (Nice balance there also, but I am not complaining).

arkansas_ESO · July 2018

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

That's why it'd be ideal if revealing a NB from cloak disabled it for 2-3 seconds. And of course garbage skills like Evil Hunter/Radiant Magelight should be more worth slotting.

"A visual effect will now appear over your character’s head when using Detection Potions, Magelight, or Expert Hunter to notify other players of your ability to see sneaking/invisible enemies"

Instead they made them less worth slotting.

And they made sload not break cloak anymore.

Sload's breaking Cloak was a bug, and any NB is going to figure out somebody popped a detect pot when they keep getting hit through Cloak. All this change did was make it easier for the NB to focus the person with detect pots when outnumbered. Are you complaining that ZOS made it harder for you to zerg people down?

DDuke · July 2018

Cenom wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

Lol at people saying I am a MagSorc... I just gave an example of a toxic skill being dealt with... I am 1062 CP (15 characters, 5 templars, 3 DKs, 2 Nightblades, 2 Wardens, 3 Sorcerers), have all classes and I mainly PvP with Templar (Mostly Stamplar ATM), I used to play Magplar past patches but the lack of mobility and burst (without proc sets) annoys me, which makes playing solo frustrating as hell.

As I said, I don't mind ZOS giving more survivability options to balance the lack of permastealth, but if you guys don't find this mechanic toxic as f, I don't know what to say. And I don't really care about your roleplaying in Cyrodil, go do it in The Rift.

And yes, I don't want to keep slotting useless in skills in my kit just to beat one class, I don't think it should work this way, imo it's just a flawed way to see the game. Specially because most of these skills are useless even if you use that for this only purpose.

You don't need useless skills on a stamplar?

Jabs/POTL are excellent counters to stamblade - the only time one should ever escape one is when they use Shadow Image and/or LOS & it takes pretty much just one well timed DBOS (oh look, another skill that counters cloak) to global a medium stamblade.

I'd understand if you were playing Warden or mDK and complaining about one, but stamplar of all things? Smh...

Why do I need to be biased to complain about a toxic and flawed mechanic in game? LOL
Doesn't matter really, even If I was a main Nightblade I would probably have the same opinion; besides I did play both Magicka and Stamblade in PvP in the past... But now they are respected to PvE, since they are meta both Stamina and Magicka (Nice balance there also, but I am not complaining).

Oh boy... "toxic and flawed mechanic". I could make you a big list of things that frustrate me in PvP, but that doesn't really make them overpowered, not when they have clear counterplay.

Stealth in ESO isn't perfect - I personally much prefer having "camouflage" style stealth in video games where you see visual cues where stealthed enemies move. Where fighting stealthers isn't just guesswork but includes "skill" elements.

Then again, I also like games that actually give you special skills to use from stealth, special debuffs/buffs for engaging from it etc. None of which are present in ESO.

But what you're proposing... well, you'd have to play a stealth oriented NB (no, I'm not talking of the dodge roll spammers or the heavy armor megatanks that for some reason still slot cloak) to understand how detrimental that would be for those playstyles.

They'd pretty much have to reduce the restealth cooldown for sneak down to 3-4 seconds for your proposal to work & make sneaking suppress DoTs as well - otherwise these builds are just dead when someone sneezes in their direction.

BigBadVolk · July 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

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usmguy1234 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i bet the https://www.military1.com/stealth/ of the United States Government does not think stealth is Cowardly.
or do you think you know more then they do?
we use stealth as not only gameplay and in war, but also as a way of life.

Unlike nightblades, the U.S. military has certain codes and conventions to keep them in check. Thanks for the good laugh though.

no, you missunderstand.
stealth is a way of life not only in battle and war, but also in gameplay and it is not cowardly and not something to laugh about.
please stop insulting us about stealth and trying to remove it from elderscrolls online game.

Well if we're using real world scenarios to justify those in video games can soldiers just disappear right under the enemies nose? I don't think so.

Just play it backwards and there you go...

There's a difference between invisible and camouflaged. I would take a camouflaged nightblade over an invisible one any day.

well if people could become invisible through magic or technology they would tbh

SshadowSscale · July 2018

Well since we nightblade are gettting nerfed every patch why not just delete the class already...incap still op nb sustain op nightblade cloak op nightblae damage op nightblade healing op.....nice keep complaining and nightblade will actually die....I have already seen people complain about cloak supressing sloads dot.....wel sry for giving it the same dot as any other dot in the game.....lets all just roll a mag sorc because that seems perfectly balanced....throw on a zaans and a sload and we are having fun arent we