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Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?
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I don't know what is up with sload. I'm a tank and I die to it easily. It's like a constant cold fire damage.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tried it on my Magicka Templar..not really sure i like it on her..Going to swap it over to my Stamina DK and see how i like it.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »I don't know what is up with sload. I'm a tank and I die to it easily. It's like a constant cold fire damage.
Because you can't mitigate it, no matter how tanky you build. That's what Oblivion damage does. Bleeds are similar; armor mitigation means nothing.
If you had to specifically build to be a tank killer and were weak versus everything else, that'd be a different discussion. But Sloads is a strong set for any class, magicka or stamina, and works equally effectively against tanks, shield stackers, cloakers and squishies.
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✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
They nerfed Igneous builds in an incremental last year as well. ZOS moves fast when it affects PVE, PVPers have to wait a year for proc sets to get nerfed.
This is a good point, about Mothers Sorrow and PvE/PvP. It got ignored on PTS and is now on the back burner because they just don’t care about PvP balance that much. There’s absoluely no reason this set should have gone live and no reason it shouldn’t have already been adjusted.0 -
umagon✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
They nerfed Igneous builds in an incremental last year as well. ZOS moves fast when it affects PVE, PVPers have to wait a year for proc sets to get nerfed.
This is a good point, about Mothers Sorrow and PvE/PvP. It got ignored on PTS and is now on the back burner because they just don’t care about PvP balance that much. There’s absoluely no reason this set should have gone live and no reason it shouldn’t have already been adjusted.
Money is why. I suspect eventually there will be a “crown crafting station” which will allow players to craft any item set. One crafting station to rule them all; then they will add new item sets as individual crown store items. But before they do that they need to establish a vertical arms race among the player base to maximize profits.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »You're not wrong, but any set that can accurately be described as "the solution for not having to learn to play" like how you've just described Sloads should never be in the game. "Catering to a wide variety of play styles" does not have to mean "brainless gameplay."
Just to be clear, I was not defending Sload's in any way. I agree that it and the entire range of 'raising the floor, lowering the ceiling' sets and abilities/ultimates are bad for PVP.
By catering to a wide variety of play styles, I meant to defend solo styles as a lot of players, and perhaps some devs, seem to have forgotten that the game was designed not only for groups, but also solo players.Edited by zyk on July 4, 2018 4:51PM1 -
Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭Look, does it need "tweaking"? Sure. Not proc'ing off siege, not proc'ing off itself. I get that. But knowing ZoS as long as I've played this game, the enormous outcry will get it nerfed so far into the ground, that it becomes another set no one will ever use again.I'm quite tired of it.
In order to satisfy the masses, it'll become pointless to wear. Everyone crys about "skill" the game lacks because of proc sets. How about the skill it should take to adapt to them? Let's not forget we as the PvP community are so far down the list of priority for ZoS. Skills, proc sets, invisible walls in Cyro (but GD they made the Alinor PvE area visible didn't they!!!...), overpowered bleed mechanics, and don't get me started on NB's...All of it doesn't matter to them. Otherwise it would have been fixed before going live. All we're doing here is arguing over things in this game we have no control over. Skill or no skill. The Devs simply don't care about PvP. That's why it's gonna wait till the next DLC to get fixed. So buck up and deal with it. Now we all know, so stop the tears already.
I've started checking my death recaps now, and guess what? No sloads. Maybe one tick here or there. Not the enormous amount everyone seems to think is happening. I die more to dawnbreaks, bleeds, poisons, shieldbreaker set,and mages wrath, than sloads. And I main a mag sorc with 5L 2H!!!! So don't tell me about stuff going thru shields. Ya all got that nerfed 3 years ago too.
We're quickly making the gear sets in this game so watered down, that no one will have any build diversity. We'll all be wearing Rubidite with no procs and every class will have the same bar setups. Sound like fun? Nope, not to me. SOunds pretty stupidly boring. Oh and for the guy who thinks 1v6'ing a bunch of 500cp players is supposed to go your way? Please bro, you took on more than your supposed to and died. Let me see the death recap listing ALL sloads procs and maybe then I'll have sympathy for you."The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Whether Sload's Semblance is in any given player's Death Recap is not how to adjudicate whether a set is OP. "it doesn't seem to hurt me, so it's fine" is not a point of discussion.
The reasons it is objectively OP have been pretty clearly laid out. It was immediately recognized on PTS by theorycrafters. ZOS has acknowledged it is too strong and will be reworked.
Sets are watered down? Are you serious? Compared to when? Weapon and Armor sets are proportionately stronger than they have ever been overall. Both offensive and defensive sets have become absurdly stronger and easier to use since 2.1.
I say 2.1 because it took ZOS many months to update most sets to V16. But even prior to 2.1, many strong sets had limitations in the form of weak traits or weren't available in all slots. Sets are indisputably stronger and easier to use than they ever been. There may have been some outliers in the past, but never the sheer number and easy combinations available today.Edited by zyk on July 4, 2018 8:29PM2 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.
that damage is Weak!
it Can also be purged and allows it to be removed.
the total damage you recieve from it is what ... 5,118 damage?
and it has only a 10% chance to even proc.
Fellow NB with cheese builds spotted.1 -
BlackLabel✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?
how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?
My class doesn’t have a built in purge and I refuse to gimp myself by replacing a needed skill for purge from the pvp skill line just to counteract a set.1 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
Not really. Bad month in ESO is a lot worse than other games I play. Sload's is not fine also.LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »I don't know what is up with sload. I'm a tank and I die to it easily. It's like a constant cold fire damage.
Because it ignores whatever defense you have is why. Nothing short of stacking health and health regen will delay the inevitable against Sload's.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I’ve ran into skoria, Sloads, durok on tanky DOT builds. It’s pretty much start losing the race on resources while purging only to have everything reapplied instantly for cheap or go on the offensive and hope you can get through the defenses first.
I’m glad some of you haven’t died from it but I see a lot of players I know from seeing them kick my ass as better players than me and am glad it’s not just me but they take issue with it to. I haven’t seen a player that I respect as a great player defend the set yet1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?
how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?
OK first off It is broken at so many levels number 1 it does not last 6 secs the last tiC marks at second number 7 and that last tiC can proc sloads all over again (it procs solo) well if that is not enough if you purge it like this guy states it can be re applied by the same person before the cooldown is over lol, it counters a whole class (nb's) please everytime I see this guy thread bombing every Sload thread thinking that he's the sloads savior makes me cringe every time... it's getting the nerf hammer period Now let it sink in bro and accept it. And please don't come here defending your cheese and then try making people think is not broken when it is, enjoy your cheese today I'll be laughing tomorrow... Can't believe how ridiculout people can be when they know their cheese is about to run out.Edited by Arkangeloski on July 5, 2018 3:41AM0 -
Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?
how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?
whole groups of 6-7 people only light attacking you and destroying you just with sloads for example?
Horribly OP when 6-7 people kill you. Without sloads that would be imppossible
Yeah it would be impossible for 6-7 people to kill you when a majority were below cp 500 and were mostly only light attacking you because they still use both mag and stam skills on their bar. There’s a problem where little Jimmy who’s played for 4 months gets together with his other friends John, Bill, Sally, and Jennifer who collectively have only played for 9 months and barely know pvp can kill a season pvper with bis gear and should be able to 1vX them flawlessly.
Wait what? Bill is lying to you he’s been night capping with Sally for months and don’t get me started on tipsy JenniferAussie lag is real!3 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Oh if you guys are going to present a screenshot of the set please do it in gold lol it is not 800 dmg it's 1,000 and some change and it is not affected by battle spirit, take any set like viper vice canon sheer venom all of them are affected by battle spirit and their dmg cut in half. with that only this set is stronger than most dot sets in the game because it bypasses battlespirit and what you see in the tool tip is what you see in every tic so yeah.2
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭In comparison, the very strong master dual wield do 1500 x 5 damage over 9 seconds, modified by crit, but halved by battle spirit. ( assuming 40% crit chance and +35% crit dmg modifier after impen, this gives 4275 dmg over 9 seconds = 475 dmg/second) I've ignored cp stars for this calculation, because they mostly cancel each other out. They also require a specific skill slotted which sload's doesn't.0
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✭✭Look, does it need "tweaking"? Sure. Not proc'ing off siege, not proc'ing off itself. I get that. But knowing ZoS as long as I've played this game, the enormous outcry will get it nerfed so far into the ground, that it becomes another set no one will ever use again.I'm quite tired of it.
The set should be deleted from the game, just like earthgore. I believe that some proc sets have their place in the game but the cooldown should be much higher than what it currently is. Unresistable damage should not exist period or it should scales off max health to not penalize non-tank players.
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✭✭By the time Sload's gets nerfed, everyone would have already adjusted to it and it would have been a joke. In a "xv1" situation, 4+ sorcs using lightning staff and knightslayer w/ oblivion enchants is a better crutch than 4 using Sload's anyway. Trust me, you won't be escaping that, not with rune cage being spammed in between every heavy they do and their stacked shields. If that doesn't work, one will start spamming overload. Guaranteed death eventually.1 -
Ceepax✭✭✭By the time Sload's gets nerfed, everyone would have already adjusted to it and it would have been a joke. In a "xv1" situation, 4+ sorcs using lightning staff and knightslayer w/ oblivion enchants is a better crutch than 4 using Sload's anyway. Trust me, you won't be escaping that, not with rune cage being spammed in between every heavy they do and their stacked shields. If that doesn't work, one will start spamming overload. Guaranteed death eventually.
What are the chances of comming across those 4 sorcs compared to random 4 classes with the sloads slotted , way to accessible for any class. Sets on an other league dawg, has to go asap.Lil Ceep2 -
Aelakhaii_De_Mythos✭✭✭✭None has forced anyone to use broken setups, glitches etc etc
people do it because they have no honor and theyre weak.
i dont even blame hos anymore, they do what they do to make money.
it is the player base that have made eso what it is.1 -
King_Thelon✭✭✭✭✭When money matters more than your community, you end up with the farce that is eso PvP today.3
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭I don't even use sloads and don't think it's overpowered. I have yet to find a situation described above like 7 people just light attacking you and you die to sloads. Most of the times I would have died to other stuff anyways. Imagine those 7 peoople wearing elegance instead of sloads that would be devastating too.
But maybe I don't have a problem with it because I constantly purge everything not just sloads.
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✭So to sum up the complaints:
I 1vXed like I always did, some of them in the X used sloads, and I died because my standard perma block build/shield stacking, cloaking glass cannon, etc. build didn't counter it. oh, and duroks didn't let me heal from 20% to a 100% in just a healing ward like I normally do.
This is the story I hear over and over. It pulls out the crutches that so many players have been relying on for so long. And its not that Sload's is casual player set, its that its a soft counter to so many builds that when working with teammates it eliminates the standard tactics that we've been complaining about for several years. sorry if I don't have sympathy that the farming of bad players has been nerfed in a single patch, but maybe the "fix" to sload's will also include balancing so those toxic players upset broken mechanics aren't giving them a million AP farm will stop making things so boring for the casual player.
Hey, maybe large PVP populations will be a thing again when players see how accessible getting into it is.
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