Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

geonsocal

I've had sload's semblance show up once on my death recap (ps4/na) - alongside four shieldbreaker hits...

I was on a mag sorc at the time...go figure

Joshlenoir

There's a direct relationship with thinking sloads is okay and how much you run in zergs

Prince_of_all_Pugs

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HES BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enslaved

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have never not even Once died to sloads, have you?
it does not pull me out of stealth because i remove it with "purge"

thats because you dont PvP.

Anrose

When has ZOS ever made balance changes outside of a major update? Of course it will be in 2 months.

frozywozy

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

that has nothing to do with sloads, ANY set can do that to people.
and by the way: if a group of people is attacking you, then your going to die no matter what sets they are wearing.

there is no abuse happening here with sloads.

Minnesinger wrote: »

Evereyknows that it can be purged but refuse to change their play style even if it seems they get wrecked. Much logic

StaticWave

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

Here’s an advice for you:







Stop posting, seriously. Either you’re using sloads yourself and crutch on it, or you’re a zergling that stays in a 12+ man group and doesn’t know how to solo/small scale. If you play on NA PC, I will gladly craft sloads and zerg you down so you can practice your purging advice and watch your mag pool disappear.

dtsharples

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Dreyloch

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance, and Zaan's....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

StaticWave

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

chris211

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

these individuals are clearly defending their crutch i don't think there is any chance of changing their minds

Dreyloch

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

You don't. You die. Because your obviously, trying to fight way more people than you should be...solo. You can't tell me all of that is coming from 1V1. If your talking about BG's? Then your healer isn't worth his/her salt.

zParallaxz

Anrose wrote: »

When has ZOS ever made balance changes outside of a major update? Of course it will be in 2 months.

Lol I’m blame myself for almost believing this was a regular modern game where if something was over performing (even though they knew but wanted to sell Summerset to people) they would adjust in a week or two at most. But then again this Eso. Welcome to “if we release a patch that cause load screens, invisible players, and frequent disconnects we will patch it in 2 months”.

Stibbons

Etaniel wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

whole groups of 6-7 people only light attacking you and destroying you just with sloads for example?

Horribly OP when 6-7 people kill you. Without sloads that would be imppossible

zParallaxz

Stibbons wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

whole groups of 6-7 people only light attacking you and destroying you just with sloads for example?

Horribly OP when 6-7 people kill you. Without sloads that would be imppossible

Yeah it would be impossible for 6-7 people to kill you when a majority were below cp 500 and were mostly only light attacking you because they still use both mag and stam skills on their bar. There’s a problem where little Jimmy who’s played for 4 months gets together with his other friends John, Bill, Sally, and Jennifer who collectively have only played for 9 months and barely know pvp can kill a season pvper with bis gear and should be able to 1vX them flawlessly.

VaranisArano

Dreyloch wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

You don't. You die. Because your obviously, trying to fight way more people than you should be...solo. You can't tell me all of that is coming from 1V1. If your talking about BG's? Then your healer isn't worth his/her salt.

See, Battlegrounds is supposed to be the place where a random player queuing into a random group which may or may not have a healer can have a fighting chance. Sload's, like Viper, red mountain, Selenes and Velidreth among other damage proc sets before it is primarily getting nerfed because of the detrimental effect it has in Battlegrounds.

Can a pre made BG group with a pocket healer handle Sload's? Sure, probably. But not every Battlegrounds group has such a healer by design. ZOS wants BGs to be accessible to random groups of random players without de facto requiring someone to run a healer, so Sloads has to be brought in line with the other proc sets. The coming nerf was entirely predictably to anyone paying attention to why ZOS nerfed damage proc sets when BGs first came out.

In PC/NA Vivec Cyrodiil, I just shrug off Sload's, but then I play a healer and try not to 1vX, so I'm not exactly the demographic getting hammered by it.

StaticWave

Dreyloch wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

You don't. You die. Because your obviously, trying to fight way more people than you should be...solo. You can't tell me all of that is coming from 1V1. If your talking about BG's? Then your healer isn't worth his/her salt.

But I normally survive if they don't run other builds. You know? Builds that stack pure stats instead of giving free damage. I can tell you one thing - you obviously are clueless. You can have a group of 5 mindless players light attacking me, and I will still be able to tank their damage and eventually kill them. But if you give those 5 mindless players sets like viper or sloads, guess what? I will die because I will get 5 viper/sload procs on me at once. Tell me, how is that not broken? Don't tell me to adapt when you don't even have an argument.

Xai_Zi

Vapirko wrote: »

They honestly must sit around the ideas table and make jokes about it.

I don't think they get paid enough to do much more than that.

Xai_Zi

StaticWave wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

Here’s an advice for you:







Stop posting, seriously. Either you’re using sloads yourself and crutch on it, or you’re a zergling that stays in a 12+ man group and doesn’t know how to solo/small scale. If you play on NA PC, I will gladly craft sloads and zerg you down so you can practice your purging advice and watch your mag pool disappear.

Or he's a troll, trying to bait responses like yours lol

Emma_Overload

Anrose wrote: »

When has ZOS ever made balance changes outside of a major update? Of course it will be in 2 months.

ZOS nerfed Mother's Sorrow the DAY of the patch! They can move fast when they want to.

StaticWave

Xai_Zi wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Time to abuse sload's another 2 months?

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

Here’s an advice for you:







Stop posting, seriously. Either you’re using sloads yourself and crutch on it, or you’re a zergling that stays in a 12+ man group and doesn’t know how to solo/small scale. If you play on NA PC, I will gladly craft sloads and zerg you down so you can practice your purging advice and watch your mag pool disappear.

Or he's a troll, trying to bait responses like yours lol

Then I’ll just farm forum points from responding to his posts. Win-win for me lol

Joy_Division

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance, and Zaan's....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

I can't answer that. But let me say my experience and then you and others can draw your own conclusions.

As I am a rather vocal presence on these forums, there are quite a few people out there that aren't exactly fans. Because for a long time I have run in one of the more prominent "ball-groups" that means I have more people that aren't exactly fans. Because I multi-faction that means there are a whole lot of people out there that *really* have a problem with me. Throw in that I have a 5-star and the judgement that come from that, one would think that being in such a position I'd get my fair share of hate-tells.

But I don't. I *might* get one every other month or so. I've gone entire patches without so much as peep. People clearly know who I am and I do things that clearly annoy them, but as I said, I don't get hate-tells.

This patch, I made my Sloads set because I initially felt as you did: DOT ain't that much bigger than my current Overwhelming Surge and wanted to see for myself how the set works. In a single night, I received 4 hate-tells and all of them were directed at Sloads. I wasn't in a ball-group. I didn't chase anyone. Didn't do anything else that would have pissed them off. I received more hate-tells in one night than I have the whole year and it was all about Sloads.

Now, as far as my assessment of the set, well I'm going to repeat what many others have said: in a vacuum and by itself, the set isn't that bad. When you start throwing in the ease in which it procs, the limited means available to counter that DoT, and, what I think in most significant, the free pressure that DOT provides in conjunction with other highly dubious mechanics: Zaan, massive heal-debuffs, resource-draining poisons, additional players also putting undodgable and unavoidable damage/stuns overtaxes a players capability to defend themselves. I'm not talking about getting 6v1. I'm talking about fighting a single player wearing Sloads+Durok's+Zaan while some PuG sorcerer 40 meters away spams Rune Cage and Endless Fury on me.

I took off the set after that night and haven't worn it in Cyrodiil since. And the hate tells have gone away. Except from one NB who was using Sloads+Duroks+Valkyn who could not kill me and kept cloaking away whenever his health dropped below 50% said I was "exposed" because I got bored and went to go fight someone else.

Oh, one more thing: Sloads is ridiculously even more powerful in a no CP environment.

arkansas_ESO

Dreyloch wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

You don't. You die. Because your obviously, trying to fight way more people than you should be...solo. You can't tell me all of that is coming from 1V1. If your talking about BG's? Then your healer isn't worth his/her salt.

"Guys! I have a solution. Just never PVP unless you have a dedicated heal and purgebot with you at all times!"

lmao

arkansas_ESO

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

When has ZOS ever made balance changes outside of a major update? Of course it will be in 2 months.

ZOS nerfed Mother's Sorrow the DAY of the patch! They can move fast when they want to.

They nerfed Igneous builds in an incremental last year as well. ZOS moves fast when it affects PVE, PVPers have to wait a year for proc sets to get nerfed.

zyk

IMO, Sload's Semblance is OP because ZOS wanted a strong/entertaining crafted set to drive excitement for Jewelry. They could make adjustments this afternoon if they were inclined to do so.

It's not only a PVP set. Though proc sets generally aren't optimal for competitive PVE, I think they are effective and/or entertaining for casual PVE players who don't do much damage on their own.

In PVP, Sload's is basically the answer for the casual players who don't understand ESO mechanics and thus can't deal with block/shield/cloak builds. ZOS probably receives thousands of reports about shield stacking players because casual players don't understand why they "don't take damage."

It's not that the set is impossible to build around. The problem is that it reduces build/style diversity by countering so many defenses. It was already bad enough for the solo player who is constantly Minor Maimed via Wizard's Riposte and usually Major Defiled via Durok's Bane -- debuffs that get applied from merely damaging an opponent; no effort on their part required.

Let's not forget that ESO AvA was supposed to cater to a wide variety of play styles including some that are solo.

NBrookus

Why is it the players insisting Sloads is so weak and easily countered all wear it? If the set is so bad, surely they'd wear something else? Hmmm?

Minnesinger

frozywozy wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how is it being abused?
what, because people wear it is abusing it?
i dont think so, the damage sloads outputs is weak, and it does almost no damage, if you cast purge it will remove it so, how is it being abused?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

that has nothing to do with sloads, ANY set can do that to people.
and by the way: if a group of people is attacking you, then your going to die no matter what sets they are wearing.

there is no abuse happening here with sloads.

Minnesinger wrote: »

Evereyknows that it can be purged but refuse to change their play style even if it seems they get wrecked. Much logic

arkansas_ESO

zyk wrote: »

IMO, Sload's Semblance is OP because ZOS wanted a strong/entertaining crafted set to drive excitement for Jewelry. They could make adjustments this afternoon if they were inclined to do so.

It's not only a PVP set. Though proc sets generally aren't optimal for competitive PVE, I think they are effective and/or entertaining for casual PVE players who don't do much damage on their own.

In PVP, Sload's is basically the answer for the casual players who don't understand ESO mechanics and thus can't deal with block/shield/cloak builds. ZOS probably receives thousands of reports about shield stacking players because casual players don't understand why they "don't take damage."

It's not that the set is impossible to build around. The problem is that it reduces build/style diversity by countering so many defenses. It was already bad enough for the solo player who is constantly Minor Maimed via Wizard's Riposte and usually Major Defiled via Durok's Bane -- debuffs that get applied from merely damaging an opponent; no effort on their part required.

Let's not forget that ESO AvA was supposed to cater to a wide variety of play styles including some that are solo.

You're not wrong, but any set that can accurately be described as "the solution for not having to learn to play" like how you've just described Sloads should never be in the game. "Catering to a wide variety of play styles" does not have to mean "brainless gameplay."

Kelces

chris211 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

these individuals are clearly defending their crutch i don't think there is any chance of changing their minds

Like other sets some other people use, if this set wasn't there, there would be another. Same story every time, you are no saint. Nobody here is, who complains about the use of any set. This is ridiculous and hipocrisy, if you are honest to yourself. It's mostly about gear in PvP anyway, rather than skill, so quit complaining. Some might even have Maelstrom weapons, but that's probably a legit advantage in their opinion, while at the same time they try to smash something that is finally a skill again - Crafting!

People use certain sets for their adantage, not to have a "good and fair" fight. Admit it. So either way, it's no use, just put it on yourself or find a creative style and deal with a more difficult situation rather than try to hold on to some "I didn't get killed for x-amount of time, I am sooo great!" - attitude.

chris211

Kelces wrote: »

chris211 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So riddle me this all,

If this set is so bad. I'm using it, kill 10's or100's of players each night, if not putting sloads damage on them, and have yet to see a hate tell about it. Not one. Not a single one. I'll admit seeing it proc on siege damage could be fixed, but Grothdar has been out for like 2 years? And still procs off siege too. Caluurians has a TWELVE K SINGLE TARGET BURST! (lowered in pvp, but still) Don't see anyone complaining about that, do we? Let's not forget durok's Bane-of-players-exsistance....

I have sloads on only one character. I have 3 more pvp capable toons. I also use purge from the PvP skill line. All of this doesn't matter because ZoS has heard the cry's of the minority within the minority that is PvP. So they're gonna change it, most likely nerf it into oblivion, and everyone will find a new set to moan about next DLC. Congratulations! You have nerfed a set because you couldn't adapt!!!

How are you gonna adapt to sloads, defile, 2+ dots, 3+ debuffs, skoria/zaan and added pressure from spammable skills? Pls enlighten us.

these individuals are clearly defending their crutch i don't think there is any chance of changing their minds

Like other sets some other people use, if this set wasn't there, there would be another. Same story every time, you are no saint. Nobody here is, who complains about the use of any set. This is ridiculous and hipocrisy, if you are honest to yourself. It's mostly about gear in PvP anyway, rather than skill, so quit complaining. Some might even have Maelstrom weapons, but that's probably a legit advantage in their opinion, while at the same time they try to smash something that is finally a skill again - Crafting!

People use certain sets for their adantage, not to have a "good and fair" fight. Admit it. So either way, it's no use, just put it on yourself or find a creative style and deal with a more difficult situation rather than try to hold on to some "I didn't get killed for x-amount of time, I am sooo great!" - attitude.

i refuse to use sloads in any shape or form I refuse to contribute to the cancer