I agree too expensive to upgrade jewellery, but only by a little bit.

To buy Gold necklaces / rings from the vendor costs up to 250k gold.

If the pricing to be able to make whatever trait jewellery you want for a craftable set or supgrading I think should be in line with that, perhaps a little more expensive since you have any trait available, maybe max it out at 300-350k cost for Gold Jewellery.

Making it cheaper than the Gold vendor would make him redundant.

I think the writ vouchers on the other hand are ridiculous. When it costs 20 writ vouchers to buy a stone for Swift to be rewarded with 10 writ vouchers is beyond a joke, especially when the cost to make it is ridiculously high.

They should perhaps limit the writs to Superior (Blue) and make the rewards fair.

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Making it cheaper than the Gold vendor would make him redundant.

I actually disagree. The Golden can cost more for the sake of convenience, since you don't have to source the mats yourself. This is especially true for dungeon sets and other BoP sets, since you have to A.) farm a drop in the first place and then B.) source the mats to gold it... or maybe even source the mats to purple it and THEN gold it, which would make it considerably more expensive than just buying it from the Golden.

If one day the Golden was offering gold Vicious Ophidian rings for 250k, I guarantee you I would instantly be 500k poorer, even if farming each piece and upgrading them would be cheaper. The amount of time I would save from a convenience buy would vastly outweigh the difference in mats and/or gold cost.

I see your point, but I am in a trials guild who run vet trials frequently and are quite good aboiut sharing the gold rings and necklaces that drop in there. You can actually farm gold VO jewellery.

I would say that zose erring on the side of new content take too long, rather that too short, is pretty OK. I am sure that they will tweak jewelry crafting a bit though at some point.

smacky wrote: »

I see your point, but I am in a trials guild who run vet trials frequently and are quite good aboiut sharing the gold rings and necklaces that drop in there. You can actually farm gold VO jewellery.

Sure, but A.) I suspect the number of people in a guild that run vet trials regularly is the minority, and B.) even then, in my experience the VO drop rate is garbage period, and VO jewelry in particular. It's not unusual for my guild to get three VO pieces in a run. Total. And I can't even remember the last time anyone got a VO jewelry drop.

So, yeah. It can be done. But it's still a matter of convenience. Even with a good group, chances are you'll have to run it several times for everyone to get what they need, and that's a fair amount of time spent. Or... you can buy it from the Golden.

While I agree that the rate of getting a chromium grain from refining needs to be fixed, the rest of the jewelry system is fine, imo. People who are mad that it takes too long don't understand that if it were as easy as provisioning to master, there would be a huge imbalance caused if everyone on the first week of the release could master it and upgrade their jewelry. Not gamebreaking per se, but it wouldn't be good.

Also, the prices are only that way because we're about a month into Summerset. Everyone is desperate for the mats. If you have a market addon, it's clear that the prices ARE going down, and in a month or two, they'll be much more reasonable. In the meantime, if you would spend time farming seams instead of making a complaint on the forums that won't go anywhere, you would probably be seeing more mats that you say are so rare.

allup8679 wrote: »

I'm just annoyed that it's behind a pay wall and wasn't originally included in the base game.

I disagree. I think if you want to progress in the game, buying expansions is necessary, just like in any other MMO. Jewellery crafting is an incentive to make it worth purchasing.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I'd like to know how the 'drop rates' for legendary mats compare to, say, alloys.

From my experience exactly the same.

- I read the article on the main site about jewelry crafting, they specifically mention how it's purposely designed to keep value in gold jewelry drops. Both to incentivize trials and to retain some value on golden jewelry already acquired.

After I thought about it, it does make a lot of sense.

I can solo almost half of fanglair, I have all the jewelry drops without having to complete the dungeon. Seems kinda unfair that I could do that and then upgrade them to everyone whom completes(d) the dungeon. There would be 0 reason to complete dungeons if jewelry upgrade and creation was very easy

None of this is true they just want players to grind and burn though their mountains of gold.

Anyone that thinks it’s just to keep gold jewelry as rare or that it’s for trials think of this. They could easily made the jewelry dropped at the end of the trial “divine” or whatever they want to call it. Simple put it would be have higher stats then a piece that was upgraded to gold.

Hell a bigger reward they could set it so that if you 3 “divine” pieces of jewelry on if your armor or weapon of the same set is gold then it gains the higher stats of the jewelry. A stronger version of sets can be found in trials as is, why not add a level above perfected.

JC would be useful to anyone with a reasonable amount of time or gold like all other crafting skills and it would leave players a reason to do trials to the end and caring about scores. It wouldn’t be a hard fix but hey ZoS will do what they want.

Julia_Nix wrote: »

Remember when v16 materials were rare and expensive? I think this will change with jewelry as well.

Not the same here when v16 hit you couldn’t find nodes for the mats so 100% of the mats came from decon. You can decon jewelry and harvest nodes.

SergeantJinx wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I'd like to know how the 'drop rates' for legendary mats compare to, say, alloys.

I've currently refined x4 5k stacks of Platinum Dust over the last few weeks and my drop rates for the gold mats are 24, 17, 22, 27. So I would say they are pretty much in line with alloys.

And using your own numbers you would be able to gold 11 weapons or heavy armor pieces if they were alloys and again using your own numbers that would let you make 1 piece of jewelry gold.

So for the pieces of gold jewelry you would need to refine 15k stacks. Even if every node yielded a perfect 10 mats that would take 1,500 nodes. That’s off the wall. I’m not going to stop playing that game but I’m only researching traits so I can transmute. Will also be canceling ESO+ in protest. ZoS will only listen to money and I already paid for Summerset.

I agree, jewelry crafting is a poorly designed GRIND.

Let's do the maths, I refined all platinum dust at level 50 after getting all passive, I have like 800+ platinum ounces right now, I used 350 ounces in making a set, 100-120 would been used in writs, so all in all I refined about 1200+ platinum dust with all passives.

I have just 8 chromium grains, I also refined more dust I gathered with other toons, obviously I refined it with my level 50 character. So if it takes about 1500 platinum dust to get 10 chromium grain or one plating, then it would take refining 36,000 platinum dust to get 24 chromium plating.

If we compare it with blacksmithing, I must have refined 15k rubedite ores and got like 120 tempering alloy in last 7 months. Not to mention blacksmithing nodes are easier to find then seams.

I feel it's been made exceptionally tedious and if we spend time required for getting 24 chromium plating, we can complete 8-10 other games in same period.