Chrysa1is wrote: »

Ive not had any issues in PvP. xbox one eu server. Maybe its actually just some people's own connection and signal strength

Are you actually kidding me? I was in a large group this afternoon on PS4 NA Vivec that froze multiple times. Zone chat was full of people complaining about the freezing. The entire campaign had a roll back, resulting in lost AP/lost siege purchases. It isn't some of us having connection problems; it's the vast majority of the user base dealing with a problem that was introduced with Summerset. I have a hard-wired fiber op connection with excellent upload and download speeds. It is NOT my connection. I, along with everyone else, was NOT having problems on this scale before Summerset.

Edit: Also, @Chrysa1is , please watch this video: http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/xi-albatr0ss-ix/video/54702064

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark. Are you seriously trying to tell us that all of those frozen reds suddenly had simultaneous "connection and signal strength" problems? ZOS broke it, ZOS needs to fix it.

Radinyn wrote: »

Buy better computer, then go to pvp

I have an i7 6700k, 1080 GTX, 32 gigs of RAM at 2400 hrz, with the game on an 850 Evo SSD. Should I just skip NASA and call Alienware directly?

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The issues aren't just PvP related though.

The same exact problems are occurring just as frequently on the PvE side as they are on the PvP side.

They're game-wide issues.

I'm sorry, really not an attempt to bait. I play both pve and pvp avidly, around 50/50 and no, no, not at all. Not even remotely. Pvp hard freezes and requires a total game restart every 5 to 10 minutes right now, and that is not an exaggeration. We had weeks a month or so ago where ABSOLUTELY EVERY load screen was infinite, I know at the same time pve had some long load screens, but not EVERY single one. I was doing pve instead of pvp because of the load screen issue. In pve it was not constant, just occasional. Now I'm doing pve instead of the pvp because the hard freezes do not even exist for me, just stutters and short freezes, maybe a disconnect here n there. I've heard some people say they've had them in pve, but I've been doing steady trials and dungeons with Zero hard freezes in pve since summerset, then walk into pvp and hard freeze first thing. The two issues are not even relative at this point.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The issues aren't just PvP related though.

The same exact problems are occurring just as frequently on the PvE side as they are on the PvP side.

They're game-wide issues.

I'm sorry, really not an attempt to bait. I play both pve and pvp avidly, around 50/50 and no, no, not at all. Not even remotely. Pvp hard freezes and requires a total game restart every 5 to 10 minutes right now, and that is not an exaggeration. We had weeks a month or so ago where ABSOLUTELY EVERY load screen was infinite, I know at the same time pve had some long load screens, but not EVERY single one. I was doing pve instead of pvp because of the load screen issue. In pve it was not constant, just occasional. Now I'm doing pve instead of the pvp because the hard freezes do not even exist for me, just stutters and short freezes, maybe a disconnect here n there. I've heard some people say they've had them in pve, but I've been doing steady trials and dungeons with Zero hard freezes in pve since summerset, then walk into pvp and hard freeze first thing. The two issues are not even relative at this point.

Agreed, I do both as well but far more PvP.

Shoot I've frozen in back to back relogs, more than once. Freeze...close app...get back in....still in the middle of the same battle...freeze almost instantly again...

It's horrible. I'm afraid to engage anymore.

Aurielle wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The issues aren't just PvP related though.

The same exact problems are occurring just as frequently on the PvE side as they are on the PvP side.

They're game-wide issues.

I'm sorry, really not an attempt to bait. I play both pve and pvp avidly, around 50/50 and no, no, not at all. Not even remotely. Pvp hard freezes and requires a total game restart every 5 to 10 minutes right now, and that is not an exaggeration. We had weeks a month or so ago where ABSOLUTELY EVERY load screen was infinite, I know at the same time pve had some long load screens, but not EVERY single one. I was doing pve instead of pvp because of the load screen issue. In pve it was not constant, just occasional. Now I'm doing pve instead of the pvp because the hard freezes do not even exist for me, just stutters and short freezes, maybe a disconnect here n there. I've heard some people say they've had them in pve, but I've been doing steady trials and dungeons with Zero hard freezes in pve since summerset, then walk into pvp and hard freeze first thing. The two issues are not even relative at this point.

Agreed. I also spend a roughly equal amount of time PVPing and PVEing. There was occasional PVE freezing after Summerset first dropped, but that stopped after the servers died down a bit. Now, the worst you'll experience in PVE is low FPS when porting into certain locations or completing certain trials. The frequent game-breaking freezing is occurring in PVP and PVP alone. No one is posting videos of the problem occurring in trials, which leads me to believe that if it IS happening, it's nowhere near as frequent an issue as it is in PVP. I've been documenting the problems in PVE and PVP on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjm0QOf_LTLhgXM-vNDf1NQ As you can see, @Uriel_Nocturne , PVP has it much worse.

Hurtfan wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The issues aren't just PvP related though.

The same exact problems are occurring just as frequently on the PvE side as they are on the PvP side.

They're game-wide issues.

I'm sorry, really not an attempt to bait. I play both pve and pvp avidly, around 50/50 and no, no, not at all. Not even remotely. Pvp hard freezes and requires a total game restart every 5 to 10 minutes right now, and that is not an exaggeration. We had weeks a month or so ago where ABSOLUTELY EVERY load screen was infinite, I know at the same time pve had some long load screens, but not EVERY single one. I was doing pve instead of pvp because of the load screen issue. In pve it was not constant, just occasional. Now I'm doing pve instead of the pvp because the hard freezes do not even exist for me, just stutters and short freezes, maybe a disconnect here n there. I've heard some people say they've had them in pve, but I've been doing steady trials and dungeons with Zero hard freezes in pve since summerset, then walk into pvp and hard freeze first thing. The two issues are not even relative at this point.

Agreed, I do both as well but far more PvP.

Shoot I've frozen in back to back relogs, more than once. Freeze...close app...get back in....still in the middle of the same battle...freeze almost instantly again...

It's horrible. I'm afraid to engage anymore.

I appreciate you view points, and I don't see either arguments as bait in any way. I want to make that perfectly clear.

However, "'blah'" side of the game has it worse" is highly debatable.

So I don't have to type it all out again, I'll quote myself from the official thread about these issues which is stickied up at the top of the General Discussion.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Making this post on July 1st @9pm US CST.
Xbox One NA server

Game has been freezing with hard crashes that corrupt the game clients ability to find the servers when trying to log in after a crash. The game will hit a loading screen, or will freeze mid action, and the game will not recover from that.

I still have to completely close out of the game client, the "quit" the game from the Xbox dashboard, then let it sit untouched for 10-30 seconds before I can fire up the client again to try to get back in.

This has been happening since the game update that arrived about 3 weeks before Summerset released, and even after you disabled that certain feature, the game crashes and freezing have not decreased in any measurable manner.

I also dont ever PvP, so everything listed above is happening in the open world, delves, public dungeons, group dungeons, and towns and other public gathering places.

I use a 2Tb external drive, so that ESO is the only game actually on my Xbox HDD. I have the 1Gb Google fiber wired in with an ethernet cable, so my internet/connection isnt the issue.

The issues still happen at all times of the day/night, so it's not just limited to "peak" times.

While I know all of this is well known to you, the staff at Zeni, and the game populace; as per your request, this is my experience with it, and it has remained unchanged since he hat fix on June 28.

And an update @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

I posted the quoted message last night as I was trying to log into ESO.

I tried (because I'm a really patient kinda guy) to log in no less than eight (8) times to no avail.

I'm used to the game letting me in, letting me play for 5-15 minutes, then suffering the aforementioned severe lag spikes/loading screens that end in the game crashing to the title screen. I'm used to "Press A to Play", only to have the game take so long to load up (due to this ongoing issue), that it kicks me back out to the title screen with an error message telling me either:

1) "Game could not contact the servers. Please make sure that you have a valid internet connection." (I do have valid internet. As we know, my internet isn't the issue, but this is the message I get.)

2) "Error: User logged out due to inactivity." Which is laughable as I didn't even get to log in in the first place.

But as of last night, ESO wouldn't even let me log in at all.

I would press A to play, I'd get to the character select screen, then once I selected my desired character, the game would not ever move past the "Requesting Character Load" screen. It would, quite literally at one point, just sit there "requesting character load" for 5, 10, and the final straw was a 15 minute stretch without ever loading in my character (which was the 15 minute period where I wrote the above quoted post). Eventually, the game crashes to either the title screen or the Xbox dashboard, it's really quite random when choosing which crash to give me, but it's always one of those two options.

And this happened eight-plus (8+) times last night. Or at least, it happened those times that the game client would even -MAKE IT- to the Character Select Screen.

The end result: I got zero time in ESO last night. I couldn't even play for the normal 5-15 minutes before the game usually lags/freezes/fatal-load-screen, and kicks me out to the title screen. The game client wouldn't let me into the game for even the shortest amount of time at all.

So as an update, the issues seem to be getting worse. Before the temporary fix, I could at least log in to check on my Guilds, retrieve hireling mail, and wander for a minute or two.

But now, as of last night, the ESO game client simply will not let me log into the game at all. The furthest the game gets is "Requesting Character Load", and it never goes any farther than that.

I never PvP. I only ever PvE. But for myself and the similar legions of PvE-mostly/only players, we're having the same issues, with the same frequency, as the PvP'ers are currently experiencing.

While I -definitely- sympathize and empathize with your plight, it's also clear that the PvE community is having the exact same issues as the PvP side of the game, and with the same frequency.

So as far as my post in this thread goes, I still stand by my assertion that it isn't just PvP. That wasn't an attempt to downplay or disregard your experiences. Far from it. It was more of an attempt at solidarity, that the PvP players are not alone in this struggle, but that the entire game is suffering in equal measure.

Hell; I haven't even been able to log in to the game to do something as simple as check my hireling mail. On the rare occasions that I can, I only get enough time to do that before I'm kicked to the title screen or the Xbox dashboard, and then the game client simply can't find the game servers for the rest of the night.

So by no means was I trying to disregard your issues, but to express that the whole game is in the exact same frustrating place as the PvP side of the game is.

If ZOS shut down the PvP instances until they were fixed... they would never come back on.

I can't decide whether that's good or bad.

Time for dedicated PvP server.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Ive not had any issues in PvP. xbox one eu server. Maybe its actually just some people's own connection and signal strength

Yep, let's just ignore the mountains of video evidence (not to mention the pinned thread at the top of the page recognizing the issue) that's already been provided on the forums alone. This is a major issue and it's affecting everyone. To pretend otherwise is absurd at this point.

Mountains of video evidence that people play the game with *** computers maybe? It's all anecdotal til the evidence is backed up by specs for each machine.

Oh god I'm that horrible person that says "What PVP issues?"

I seriously don't know if this is a hardware or software issue...……

But I PVP with all addons still running and rarely have any problem...….

and before you all jump in and say "you don't PVP where I do" maybe I don't but I still don't get problems

Absolutely trash play tonight on North America Vevic tonight... Latency was horrid..

8700 I7 / 1070gtx

It’s pointless to poll about this because even if it could work, they won’t do it. As others have suggested the issue is likely not with their servers but with the coding. They’re not going to rebuild their game from the ground up. And anyway, we will never know what the problem(s) really is. We can call for server shutdowns, code fixes, whatever. Whether they just can’t or won’t fix it, it’s clear that no real steps are being made, and the outcome for the player is the same. Honestly? I bet they decided long ago to just ride it out until the death of the game. As long as it makes money, and it clearly still is, the pattern of fixes, or lack thereof, will continue. Look at the last three years, see how they take 6-12 months to implement changes and then screw it up because they’ve once again over nerfed or buffed and then we wait another 6-12 months for a repeat. Meanwhile the games overall functionality degrades a little more with each major patch as they add more and more to a game that clearly cant handle what is already available. So if you ask me it’s obvious that their plan is simply to keep adding content and making money, doing the minimum in terms of fixes, and riding out the storm of angry players. The forums probably exist more as a way to make players feel like they’re being heard than as a place to participate in change.

Most of us know it is the time freeze skill that is causing the freezes. Figure it out Zos. Let me know when it’s fixed. I’m taking a break.

Nice to see that there are still so many players passionate about pvp in this game which is a testament to the awesome original design of this game. While I have held out hope for a long time that ZOS would remove their heads from their backsides, it has become apparent after this patch that they either do not have the ability or the desire to do so.....or both. Summerset reintroduced many bugs that were resolved months, and in some cases, even years ago, which still have not been fixed. The hot fixes we do manage to get are for graphical or text issues that have minimal impact on game play, and even those fixes don't work much of the time. Sever performance is arguably the worst it's been for the past 2 years....after a patch that was supposed to improve server performance and now those server performance issues are bleeding over into pve.

I would almost be willing to forgive these guys and be more supportive of the team if they would stop making bad design choices that caused additional performance problems. It boggles the mind that if proc sets, skill line passives and aoe causes sever stress, that they would introduce more of all 3 in this latest patch. Clearly at this point design decisions are driven more out of concern for the generation of revenue as opposed to what is healthy for the game. Additionally, when was the last time that a developer engaged the community on this issue? I understand that it can be difficult to communicate with a frustrated player base but you simply don't get to say *** it and just walk away.

There was a time when the team was willing to experiment with ideas to address server performance....remember the no CP week? Removal of deer and torch bugs? Why not try some other ideas such as removal of proc sets, removing some of the more offending aoe etc to see if there is a sweet spot to make the game playable in pvp? If nothing else, it would signal your customers to let them know you are still engaged and do care to address the issue even if unsuccessful. Whiteknighting these guys doesn't help either. I can understand that many enjoy the game for different aspects other than pvp and that's great but they have done an absolutely craptastic job with pvp and deserve much of the push back they have received from their customers. The product is broken, it doesn't work and hasn't for some time.