Horrible communication from ZOS on Dragonbones Motifs

Furcula · June 2018

With the initial early release of Summerset to PC on May 18th, the patch notes stated that:

"The Fang Lair and Scalecaller Motif chapters and Style Items will begin dropping from their respective dungeons shortly after the launch of Summerse

There were no dates, no indication of exactly when they will be released. Just a blanket statement that leaves us guessing. Immediately after the pre-release, we found out that they are not dropping yet (despite dungeons dropping the trait material and master writs now have them as styles). Which made most of us believe that they will be released after the official launch of Summerset - June 4th. However, that was not the case and we heard absolutely nothing from ZOS once again.

At the same time, we had the Crown Store Showcase that displayed these motifs as available to purchase from the Crown Store on June 27th. Once again, we did not get anything that explicitly stated when they will be obtainable from dungeons, either on June 27th or before that.

People have asked about the release date and nothing was replied to my knowledge. This in my opinion is absolutely horrible practice from ZOS. If the motifs do indeed drop on June 27th (which they appear to be), don't use the word "shortly". "Shortly" does not mean 3 weeks from launch or over a month from the initial patch note. Releasing the motifs to the crown store at the same time as them being obtainable in game just screams out greed.

Overall, combined with the lack of communication, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and from most other players that I have talked to. What do you guys think?

Aimora · June 2018

Totally agree - it's compounded by the lack of communication - if they had just said they would be launched together at least people would have known - the idea of keeping schtum as an avoidance tactic isn't a good practice at all!

chess1ukb16_ESO · June 2018

Agree, communication on this is unnecessarily poor.

Sotha_Sil · June 2018

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

WuffyCerulei · June 2018

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

code65536 · June 2018

The lack of communication is just salt on the wound at this point.

The real insult is that they would purposefully delay this motif--which is until now unprecedented--so that it would coincide with the Crown Store release date. Heavens forbid that players should preferentially get rewards from playing the content instead of opening their wallet!

Back in 2015, when they release the Glass motif on the Crown Store a mere three weeks after its in-game introduction, people were up in arms about the Crown Store devaluing the rewards of actual gameplay. Three weeks was far too short. Well, three weeks now look respectfully long compared to zero days. Then add in the fact that they artificially delayed in-game availability for this vile stunt. And their ambiguous communication.

Why should the player base respect the developers when they show no sign of doing the same to us?

Pixel_Zealot · June 2018

I'm usually grossed out by Zenimax's communication.

But the 'We'll release the drops when you can buy it on the Crown store' decision tastes like bile, but they don't care.

DPShiro · June 2018

“Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.“

So does this means it only drops if you use Acivity Finder?

Kuramas9tails · June 2018

DPShiro wrote: »

“Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.“

So does this means it only drops if you use Acivity Finder?

I was wondering that too. And I got a damn master writ that uses Scalecaller style and it's not even available. How unprofessional.

DanteYoda · June 2018

Can't you just wait and buy the things? or wait and do the dungeons after the 27th..

jypcy · June 2018

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

To be fair, their words are “will be available,” which doesn’t mention an actual date. It’s mentioned alongside a mention of June 27th, so it’s reasonable to think they’ll arrive together. But I could say “Morrowind will be available to purchase separately as an expansion on June 6th. Please note that this content will also be available as a DLC from the Crown Store and included with an ESO+ subscription.”

DuskMarine · June 2018

Furcula wrote: »

With the initial early release of Summerset to PC on May 18th, the patch notes stated that:

"The Fang Lair and Scalecaller Motif chapters and Style Items will begin dropping from their respective dungeons shortly after the launch of Summerse

There were no dates, no indication of exactly when they will be released. Just a blanket statement that leaves us guessing. Immediately after the pre-release, we found out that they are not dropping yet (despite dungeons dropping the trait material and master writs now have them as styles). Which made most of us believe that they will be released after the official launch of Summerset - June 4th. However, that was not the case and we heard absolutely nothing from ZOS once again.

At the same time, we had the Crown Store Showcase that displayed these motifs as available to purchase from the Crown Store on June 27th. Once again, we did not get anything that explicitly stated when they will be obtainable from dungeons, either on June 27th or before that.

People have asked about the release date and nothing was replied to my knowledge. This in my opinion is absolutely horrible practice from ZOS. If the motifs do indeed drop on June 27th (which they appear to be), don't use the word "shortly". "Shortly" does not mean 3 weeks from launch or over a month from the initial patch note. Releasing the motifs to the crown store at the same time as them being obtainable in game just screams out greed.

Overall, combined with the lack of communication, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and from most other players that I have talked to. What do you guys think?

hey your part of my guild but your like bashing zos for zero reason on this one. as shortly in any gaming company can mean a upward of 2-4 months. and its been only about a month which is quite short for waiting on a shortly to come true. which i cant blame them the game should come first not our need for motifs.

Cryptical · June 2018

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

Cenom · June 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

yea people already buyem now with gold so nobodies really gonna care if their crowns or not.

Cryptical · June 2018

There is a difference between logging in for a few hours to play the game, and logging in to do monotonous mind-numbing repetitive grinding of the random drop.

People that had to farm maelstrom or dragon star know exactly what I mean - there’s a qualitative difference between running a dungeon over and over just to roll the dice on a weapon, and running a dungeon over and over to take the gear to a station and decon for special style mats. A player has control over their experience when grinding has a way of measuring a definite endpoint, such as grinding scalecaller for the trash gear that can decon into the rare style mat. But grinding just to roll the dice, that’s as mind-numbing as shoveling a lot of snow - after a while it makes your head dead.

And that’s why grinding for a random chance at the last motifs I needed sounded so horrible. I would much rather have grinded the scale chapters and traded. At least I could measure progress that way.

Cenom · June 2018

Cryptical wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

I think you are overreacting. Aside from the Anniversary event, nothing affects the motif sales.

code65536 · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

Bah, what drivel. Why not take it a step further, then? "Some people don't want to level, so they buy Skyreach carries from zone. ZOS might as well sell fully-leveled accounts."

The point is that ZOS has elevated the Crown Store to the same level as actual in-game rewards for playing the content. Never before has a motif appeared on the Crown Store at the same time it appeared in-game. These are rewards that are supposed to entice and reward engagement with their content. But now they act in equal part as enticements for people to just open their wallet.

It's the principle of the matter. That content and gameplay should come first. This is being eroded, slowly. And it disturbs me that this doesn't concern you and that you would so flippantly dismiss it. Incredible.

DuskMarine · June 2018

code65536 wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

Bah, what drivel. Why not take it a step further, then? "Some people don't want to level, so they buy Skyreach carries from zone. ZOS might as well sell fully-leveled accounts."

The point is that ZOS has elevated the Crown Store to the same level as actual in-game rewards for playing the content. Never before has a motif appeared on the Crown Store at the same time it appeared in-game. These are rewards that are supposed to entice and reward engagement with their content. But now they act in equal part as enticements for people to just open their wallet.

It's the principle of the matter. That content and gameplay should come first. This is being eroded, slowly. And it disturbs me that this doesn't concern you and that you would so flippantly dismiss it. Incredible.

the thing you have to get use to is players will always find ways to pay around what they dont want to do.

Cryptical · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

I think you are overreacting. Aside from the Anniversary event, nothing affects the motif sales.

Except everyone in a socially active trader guild knows there are people who will just buy with crowns to dispense with the sweat that goes into gathering the gold to pay for new motifs/recipes/etc.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Cryptical wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

I think you are overreacting. Aside from the Anniversary event, nothing affects the motif sales.

Except everyone in a socially active trader guild knows there are people who will just buy with crowns to dispense with the sweat that goes into gathering the gold to pay for new motifs/recipes/etc.

then youve got guys with millions of gold who arent gonna spend irl money on a page ingame as well gotta add that in there too

code65536 · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

Bah, what drivel. Why not take it a step further, then? "Some people don't want to level, so they buy Skyreach carries from zone. ZOS might as well sell fully-leveled accounts."

The point is that ZOS has elevated the Crown Store to the same level as actual in-game rewards for playing the content. Never before has a motif appeared on the Crown Store at the same time it appeared in-game. These are rewards that are supposed to entice and reward engagement with their content. But now they act in equal part as enticements for people to just open their wallet.

It's the principle of the matter. That content and gameplay should come first. This is being eroded, slowly. And it disturbs me that this doesn't concern you and that you would so flippantly dismiss it. Incredible.

the thing you have to get use to is players will always find ways to pay around what they dont want to do.

Then let them do so. After the usual period of in-game exclusivity. Because, you know, acquiring something through gameplay is supposed to be the intended way of obtaining something in a game. I certainly hope this isn't a novel concept to you.

(And for ZOS to reach this release parity by way of an artificial delay to in-game availability is just an extra insult.)

DuskMarine · June 2018

code65536 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The fact that they'd rather wait to make them live when they go on the crown store is utterly disgusting.

Why? Some people doesn't want to complete the dungeon and pray for RNGesus until they get all the parts.
And it doesn't affect your life either.

Bah, what drivel. Why not take it a step further, then? "Some people don't want to level, so they buy Skyreach carries from zone. ZOS might as well sell fully-leveled accounts."

The point is that ZOS has elevated the Crown Store to the same level as actual in-game rewards for playing the content. Never before has a motif appeared on the Crown Store at the same time it appeared in-game. These are rewards that are supposed to entice and reward engagement with their content. But now they act in equal part as enticements for people to just open their wallet.

It's the principle of the matter. That content and gameplay should come first. This is being eroded, slowly. And it disturbs me that this doesn't concern you and that you would so flippantly dismiss it. Incredible.

the thing you have to get use to is players will always find ways to pay around what they dont want to do.

Then let them do so. After the usual period of in-game exclusivity. Because, you know, acquiring something through gameplay is supposed to be the intended way of obtaining something in a game. I certainly hope this isn't a novel concept to you.

(And for ZOS to reach this release parity by way of an artificial delay to in-game availability is just an extra insult.)

well i earn them but they add some nice coin weight to my pockets lol

eso_nya · June 2018

tinfoil hat theory:

the delay of the motifs is an attempt to feed a huge amount of "terribads" (rpers/pvers/carebears/crafters and the likes, i do not mean that offensive!) to battlegrounds.

Wouldnt hold my breath on them showing up as loot on thursday.

BozzyTheDrummer · June 2018

I don't like the fact that they are both going to be achievable through in-game play AND through the crown store.

Reason I say this, is that I love when I see really high level players running around in the rare, cool looking armor and I look forward to eventually getting to the point of getting said armor.

When they are available for purchase in the crown store, I feel like it takes the value away from the armor and weapons in that said. It doesn't make me look forward to working towards getting it, when I very eelll that you can just buy it, and many people will be buying it and running around with it, having not completed the requirements to get it.

Cryptical · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

I think you are overreacting. Aside from the Anniversary event, nothing affects the motif sales.

Except everyone in a socially active trader guild knows there are people who will just buy with crowns to dispense with the sweat that goes into gathering the gold to pay for new motifs/recipes/etc.

then youve got guys with millions of gold who arent gonna spend irl money on a page ingame as well gotta add that in there too

Don’t need to add them, because they were always being considered as customers.

It’s the people who would buy the page, but will now buy the crown store book instead, that decrease the demand for pages.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Cryptical wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The Fang Lair Crafting Motif will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting on June 27. Please note that this Crafting Motif will also be available by completing Fang Lair Dungeon content via the in-game Activity Finder.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26415?Crown-Store-Showcase-%E2%80%93-June-2018

So in other words, it was clear we would get this with the crown store release.

Not quite. That is a statement of availability, not timing. Also, in context, directly after the statement for fang and scale is the showcase for tsaesci. That motif does not share the same crown store timing as fang or scale, and does not share the same availability.

The only statement of timing we had for fang and scale in game, was where they said it was dropping shortly after launch. Launch being defined by the website and all the promo materials as the console release day.

Before summerset, I was about 30 motif chapters away from knowing them all. The problem being, I am at the point where each frogging chapter takes forever of a random grind, or is 30k 40k 50k in the traders. I can’t go broke, because who knows what the heck is going to show up at the luxury vendor or the cyrodiil golden vendor.

Now with the addition of 5 motifs, I’m about 100 chapters away from All Motifs.

I was going to use the time before crown store release to go whole hog on farming fang and scale, and send the gold that came in from those straight back out into the hands of other players buying up their expensive chapters.

Basically, leverage my time in those hard dungeons that still flatten high champ players into getting closer to a goal.

But now, I can’t do that. People are going to look at a 200k price tag on a chapter I farm and decide they would rather spend 2k or whatever crowns. That’s going to leave me, and other dungeon farmers, with far less of a payday for our efforts at mastering those places.

Instead of being able to trade a chapter from a difficult dungeon for a few chapters available just from fishing or farming, I’m now about 100 chapters from motif completion and without a good income to use to close that gap.

And as of this coming weekend, the second half of the year begins. The second half of the year contains two MORE dungeons and who knows if there will be more motifs. Bloodroot and falkreath have motifs. Fang and scale have motifs. No reason to think that the new hircine dungeons won’t also have a couple. And a whole area, with its own motifs I expect. Wrothgar came with motifs. Gold Coast came with motifs. Hews bane came with motifs. Summerset came with motifs. Vvardenfell came with motifs. There is EVERY reason to expect murkmire to have motifs.

Rather than getting closer, the timing of this makes it seem like the goal is getting further and further away.

I think you are overreacting. Aside from the Anniversary event, nothing affects the motif sales.

Except everyone in a socially active trader guild knows there are people who will just buy with crowns to dispense with the sweat that goes into gathering the gold to pay for new motifs/recipes/etc.

then youve got guys with millions of gold who arent gonna spend irl money on a page ingame as well gotta add that in there too

Don’t need to add them, because they were always being considered as customers.

It’s the people who would buy the page, but will now buy the crown store book instead, that decrease the demand for pages.

nope it wont i dont think you know how trading guilds highest paying players work lol