Sorcs are easy. Okay

Edziu · June 2018

Sorcs are easy. Okay
Let's examine other classes.

as for it looks like:

1. acknowledgement of sorc easy(mode)
2. then try to divert attention from this mag sorc to other classes which also can be easy playable
3. hope to now everyone will start talking about how other classes are easy and forgot about sorc because you confessed to all which all wanted as just stated its easy class to play

for me this thread dont have more sense behhind trying to hide sorc esasy mode behind other classes looking to similiar easy mode

Micah_Bayer · June 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Sorcs are easy. Okay
Let's examine other classes.

as for it looks like:

1. acknowledgement of sorc easy(mode)
2. then try to divert attention from this mag sorc to other classes which also can be easy playable
3. hope to now everyone will start talking about how other classes are easy and forgot about sorc because you confessed to all which all wanted as just stated its easy class to play

for me this thread dont have more sense behhind trying to hide sorc esasy mode behind other classes looking to similiar easy mode

It is a fact though. Sorcs need 5 or 6 skills to kill someone while a stam NB or any other Stam class can do incap surprise attack or DB spin to win. Ez mode while having hots while a sorcerer has to keep shields up indefinitely or they die.

Micah_Bayer · June 2018

ReverseVenom wrote: »

I've played Stamblade, Magdk, stamwarden, magwarden, stamsorc, magblade, and mag sorc in PvP all with varying degrees of success. I'm proficient with my MagDK, Stamblade, Magsorc, and now more recently my Magwarden.

I understand how powerful stamblades can be and I've written several comments throughout my time on the forums helping others either play them or play against them.

Yes you get the proctato and the sniper from stealth but compared to my extensive play on my stamblade and magdk mag sorc was by far the easiest to pick up and do well with. After I got my lich/spinners gear my first run in cyrodiil it took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to time my shields and how useful streak was both offensively and defensively, lining up the burst combo is beyond easy it's pathetic curse/sheild/sheild/rune cage/frag/force pulse/mages wrath. Idk what type of sorc you play that doesn't get a guaranteed kill off of that but not many classes can survive that and if they do you have put so much pressure and can set it up instantly again. The best part, you're at a range of 20 meters with streak and posibbly an ultimate to back you up.

TLDR: Stamblades aren't hard to play because you can stack procs or snipes easily, stamblades that don't fall into that typically have a harder time staying alive. Sorcs are gg easy to play for beginners and have a high skill ceiling for people who main them but are undeniably still easy.

I agree with this. I wasnt trying to bash templars. I was getting tired of people slapping a label on the class saying it is like ez mode to kill people. But not every mag sorc can go out there and 1vx like a champ.

DanteYoda · June 2018

Give me magicka builds any day..

Stamina melee is just garbage in this game the mechanics are just terrible and then add poor servers and ping times into it and no you can keep your stamwhatevers.. even bows are horrible.

Give me a nice magicka aoe build and its cake..

Animus-ESO · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Magplar jab is not as easy to hit as ppl claim. Nb is good I agree.

Though to be honest half of the burst dmg a sorc has comes from curse. How do magplars die to sorcerers when they can purge the curse the moment they see it? I mean it costs the less than having two shields on so cost doesnt seem to be the problem.

Its expensive to cleanse. Sorcs have better built in regen compared to templar so if we stay defensive we'll surely die. The issue I have with sorc is how hard it is to counter your burst. With rune cage it's impossible to miss. Another issue is shields. You get too much free passives from using a shield. Harness regen is too much basicly making the skill free, you get free 100% crit resist. Free 100% penetration resistance. Why do I have to build impen when sorcs can build 100% glass cannon and be just as tanky.

grannas211 · June 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Sorcs are easy. Okay
Let's examine other classes.

as for it looks like:

1. acknowledgement of sorc easy(mode)
2. then try to divert attention from this mag sorc to other classes which also can be easy playable
3. hope to now everyone will start talking about how other classes are easy and forgot about sorc because you confessed to all which all wanted as just stated its easy class to play

for me this thread dont have more sense behhind trying to hide sorc esasy mode behind other classes looking to similiar easy mode

Show us a video since it’s so easy please.

bloodthirstyvampire · June 2018

I hate the sorc class in general, It's just not for me.

Thogard · June 2018

They are easy. Like... it’s nit really debatrable.
The only thing easier would be a snipe spamming NB

Girl_Number8 · June 2018

Since everything is so easy OP, you must of done all of what Vaoh has done, plus at least got empy 5 times on easy mode in Vivec, or are you just one of those bg weekend whiner's~?

Thogard · June 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Since everything is so easy OP, you must of done all of what Vaoh has done, plus at least got empy 5 times on easy mode in Vivec, or are you just one of those bg weekend whiner's~?

If you think being emp is in any way correlated with skill, you’ve really kind of undermined any other arguments you might’ve had.

Girl_Number8 · June 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Since everything is so easy OP, you must of done all of what Vaoh has done, plus at least got empy 5 times on easy mode in Vivec, or are you just one of those bg weekend whiner's~?

If you think being emp is in any way correlated with skill, you’ve really kind of undermined any other arguments you might’ve had.

No not really~ he said it was easy mode so he should of been able to complete the whole list and part of it was empy five times on one character with all the other achievements done~

max_only · June 2018

grannas211 wrote: »

Wait for the incoming nightblade brigade to comment on "how easy it is to play" a Sorc.

You summoned me.

SirMewser · June 2018

Delete rune cage.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

SirMewser wrote: »

Delete rune cage.

Sounds like it has deleted you a few times. Haha

visionality · June 2018

The game itself is giving you a pretty straightforward answer on what is easy to play and what not. Go PVP and compare killquests. "Kill NBs" and "Kill sorcs" are both pretty fast accomplished while DK and templar take a lot more time - completely independent of your own class. So, in clever reverse thinking, ppl struggle most to keep their NBs and sorcs alive and ppl have the easiest time with templars und DKs. Ofc "staying alive" is not an 100% definition of "easy to play", but it gives you a good starting ground.

(And yes, I know there is wardens too, but they are still too few to include them in this kind of argument.)

Thogard · June 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Since everything is so easy OP, you must of done all of what Vaoh has done, plus at least got empy 5 times on easy mode in Vivec, or are you just one of those bg weekend whiner's~?

If you think being emp is in any way correlated with skill, you’ve really kind of undermined any other arguments you might’ve had.

No not really~ he said it was easy mode so he should of been able to complete the whole list and part of it was empy five times on one character with all the other achievements done~

Being emp has nothing to do with how good you are at a class or how easy that class is.

visionality wrote: »

The game itself is giving you a pretty straightforward answer on what is easy to play and what not. Go PVP and compare killquests. "Kill NBs" and "Kill sorcs" are both pretty fast accomplished while DK and templar take a lot more time - completely independent of your own class. So, in clever reverse thinking, ppl struggle most to keep their NBs and sorcs alive and ppl have the easiest time with templars und DKs. Ofc "staying alive" is not an 100% definition of "easy to play", but it gives you a good starting ground.

(And yes, I know there is wardens too, but they are still too few to include them in this kind of argument.)

Sorcs and Nightblades are by far the most popular class at the moment because they're so overpowered.

Your line of thinking is the same as parable the russian czar who saw that the areas of his kingdom with the most sickness were also the areas with the most doctors, so he had all of the doctors executed.

WaltherCarraway · June 2018

DK is not a class ok.

TheLoremaster · June 2018

How it feels like to be a magsorc on forums these days

PhoenixGrey · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I suspect the moral of the story is that every player sees the effort that goes into getting their own kills. Also, every player sees the ease with which they get killed. Then, some people just struggle with making the connection that "hey, if I have skill that goes into making my own kills, then probably that other class can say the same about their kills, even though it feels like they killed me really easily." Its simpler to claim that their opponenet has it "easier" while the player has it "harder."

I mean, I'd certainly say that my stam warden and stam sorc have been the easiest for me to pick up PVP fighting on...but that's probably because I'm familiar with those two classes in a way I'm not with my magicka classes. In comparison, my magsorc has it easier the first time I run a round in VMA thanks to the survivability of shields, but I'm better at playing stam sorc so I do better with stam sorc after that first run-through to learn mechanics and priority targets.

You got the moral of the story.

I thought the moral of the story was: "Buff sorcs".

I never said buff sorcs. I am just stating it is not easy to play as others state.

I think they defensively need a buff this meta. It's pretty easy to one shot a 44k ish mag sorc though a full hardened ward unless you run riposte or some of that trash. And when you do get around to running big shields you have oblivion damage to contend with.

rfennell_ESO · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sorcs are easy. Okay
Let's examine other classes.

as for it looks like:

1. acknowledgement of sorc easy(mode)
2. then try to divert attention from this mag sorc to other classes which also can be easy playable
3. hope to now everyone will start talking about how other classes are easy and forgot about sorc because you confessed to all which all wanted as just stated its easy class to play

for me this thread dont have more sense behhind trying to hide sorc esasy mode behind other classes looking to similiar easy mode

It is a fact though. Sorcs need 5 or 6 skills to kill someone while a stam NB or any other Stam class can do incap surprise attack or DB spin to win. Ez mode while having hots while a sorcerer has to keep shields up indefinitely or they die.

The key thing you keep omitting is that, for the most part with a few exceptions, is that the magicka sorc can do all that *at range* whereas the stamina offerings have to do it in melee.

There is a big difference... Mostly in that targets can move and success is not guaranteed. Add a little bit of "most of the sorcs offerings can't be dodged" to the fact that all of the stamina abilities (for the most part) can be...

Anyways, I get the concept of attempting to define personal actions as great. It's a totally human flaw and the game is full of people that think what they are doing it both unique and awesome and all about "how awesome they are". Objectivity has no place in that world, and it must feel good to think that all the good players picked magicka sorcerer (who would have thought so many cool dudes who are great at games picked the same class as me!!!).

LegacyDM · June 2018

Interesting. I have a completly different experience in CP campaign. I can kill all classes except magesorc. I can’t bust through their shields or run them out of resources. Either ends a stalemate or if they are good I get bursted down to quickly between rune cages, curses, endless fury and meteor.

I guess when a class can easily stack 55k-60k magicka... um yeah. Sorcs have high mobility, defense, burst damage, sustain, and utility. O did I mention dark deal? What ever happened to the concept of tradeoffs; Zos? Well I guess there is always shield breaker... because shattering blows does jack ****

Akinos · June 2018

visionality wrote: »

The game itself is giving you a pretty straightforward answer on what is easy to play and what not. Go PVP and compare killquests. "Kill NBs" and "Kill sorcs" are both pretty fast accomplished while DK and templar take a lot more time - completely independent of your own class. So, in clever reverse thinking, ppl struggle most to keep their NBs and sorcs alive and ppl have the easiest time with templars und DKs. Ofc "staying alive" is not an 100% definition of "easy to play", but it gives you a good starting ground.

(And yes, I know there is wardens too, but they are still too few to include them in this kind of argument.)

It's not just ESO that tells you there are more nightblades and sorcs then any other class, even a simple youtube search shows that there are much more sorc/nb videos uploaded then any other classes. Which basically means they are overplayed, and they are overplayed because...yeah you guessed it. Easy mode.

rfennell_ESO · June 2018

Akinos wrote: »

visionality wrote: »

The game itself is giving you a pretty straightforward answer on what is easy to play and what not. Go PVP and compare killquests. "Kill NBs" and "Kill sorcs" are both pretty fast accomplished while DK and templar take a lot more time - completely independent of your own class. So, in clever reverse thinking, ppl struggle most to keep their NBs and sorcs alive and ppl have the easiest time with templars und DKs. Ofc "staying alive" is not an 100% definition of "easy to play", but it gives you a good starting ground.

(And yes, I know there is wardens too, but they are still too few to include them in this kind of argument.)

It's not just ESO that tells you there are more nightblades and sorcs then any other class, even a simple youtube search shows that there are much more sorc/nb videos uploaded then any other classes. Which basically means they are overplayed, and they are overplayed because...yeah you guessed it. Easy mode.

Eh, "easy mode" is the easiest insult and tears do follow the path of least resistance just like water.

However, in both the cases you pointed out of sorcs and nightblades... there is another likely more prevalent reason for their popularity. It's that both can escape fights they are unlikely to win, with nightblades in particular the threat of the pain train that's rampaging about at speed can totally be avoided and that counts for more than many are willing to admit.

Most of the time, if you are say... a dragonknight or templar, and you run into a little mini zergball rampaging about... the only winning you are going to do is "first back to the nearest keep" or "first one begging for a rez" and those "contests" won aren't exactly positive results.

thankyourat · June 2018

Akinos wrote: »

visionality wrote: »

The game itself is giving you a pretty straightforward answer on what is easy to play and what not. Go PVP and compare killquests. "Kill NBs" and "Kill sorcs" are both pretty fast accomplished while DK and templar take a lot more time - completely independent of your own class. So, in clever reverse thinking, ppl struggle most to keep their NBs and sorcs alive and ppl have the easiest time with templars und DKs. Ofc "staying alive" is not an 100% definition of "easy to play", but it gives you a good starting ground.

(And yes, I know there is wardens too, but they are still too few to include them in this kind of argument.)

It's not just ESO that tells you there are more nightblades and sorcs then any other class, even a simple youtube search shows that there are much more sorc/nb videos uploaded then any other classes. Which basically means they are overplayed, and they are overplayed because...yeah you guessed it. Easy mode.

There are more nightblades and sorcs because they are better at getting kills than the other classes. The classes that are better at DPS will always be more popular than the support roles.

Ender1310 · June 2018

Sorc is easy mode for the majority of players. It has more of a comfort zone. Shields are better defense/the ability to get your combo off at range with mobility trumps NB combo/advantages. This new rune cage is easy sauce. It's so much easier now that it can't be dodged. You can't fool people I have every single class and just switched to mag sorc and it's super easy sauce. Skoria shackle Amber plasm. Has sustain issues but strength of shields and mobility allow for dark deal spam so it's fine. Pple go boom.

del9 · June 2018

Definitely easy mode. But IMO it has a higher skill ceiling than most classes.

IAVITNI · June 2018

Well the trade-off used to be that sorcs had a predictable and therefore easily countable offensive rotation. That is no longer the case with the buffed Rune Cage. What was strong but avoidable burst is now strong and unavoidable.

And for the people complaining about shields, it really works no different from Vigor. The only difference is that Defile exists, and the devs and class reps have identified Defile strength and uptime as a point of pain. Prior to Defile meta, I found it easier surviving as a stam class and I main mag sorc. Shields weren't mentioned by class reps, so consider that...

Vigor mitigates around the same amount of damage as Hardened on average but stamina classes tend to have minimum 10k more resistances coupled with the ability to actively block and roll dodge, the latter of which scales infinitely greater than shields in an outnumbered fight.

Even if you factor in shield stacking, only one shield is taking damage at a time, and more often than not half or more of the second shield goes untouched. If you break through the first shield, theres a second shield in the same way that Rally covers for vigor. And if you think a good mag sorc double stacks on every rotation in a 1v1, you're wrong.

In a 1v1, sorcs are nowhere near the tankiest class to fight. Those god-like sorcs aren't op, they're skilled. If they make a single mistake with their shields they are either dead or close to. Forgetting to Vigor is not nearly as punishing as forgetting to shield.

Waffennacht · June 2018

Sylosi wrote: »

Starcraft was hard, competing in an actual competitive game with an actual competitive playerbase is hard, ESO is easy.

No it really wasn't. About all races had the first 20ish min predetermined.

Where to make the zergs
Where to make the zealots

Run across the map! Found your base... Zealot invasion!

StarCraft was more muscle memory than this game.

Hell my friend could do that game blind folded

Ragnaroek93 · June 2018

ESO isn't hard to play, stop acting like you need 500 apm and 100 ms reaction time to play it. Heck, it's not even competitive.

KingJ · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Let's examine other classes.
Stamina NB - apply rally and vigor. Forget about rally until it goes off and reapply vigor every 6 seconds and dodge roll and cloak until incap is up and then let loose with incap, assassins will and surprise attack..dead.

Mag sorc apply 2-3 shields every 6 seconds, so basically your fingers are never leaving those buttons because if they do you get one tapped. Then proc your glyph..Curse execute, rune cage, frag, then force pulse force pulse. Even then not guaranteed kill. Add a meteor on that for a combo and it takes 6 or 7 things to kill someone. Apply the same stam NB combo to magblades and they have an easier time in 1v1 yet they shield stack as well and have hots active and strong mobility.

Mag templars. Minor mending and can purify dot builds and eliminates majority of negative affect on oneself, can stack power of light and DB then jab jab jab, it nearly kills all classes..The majority of stam builds have Dawnbreaker where they pop that and then execute and people die yet mag sorcs have to lay 6 or 7 things down to kill someone while having to have those shields on constantly..How is that easy?

First of all its Poison injection,fear,Incap,Will,Surprise attack.

Stamblade combo isis not guaranteed since its all dodgeable.If facing a sorc dodgerolling means nothing since curse and runecage is undodgeable.

Your gonna kill with the sorc combo before you kill with the NB combo.