Night Capping ... lets talk

AllPlayAndNoWork · June 2018

evoniee wrote: »

There is no solution to fix the problem. Do not think the only people play on certain server is local only. Its theirs choice to play like that.

Yeah there is....

An easy option is to base the amount of points you get on the population... Taking the the map (nightcapping) with no resistance (or minimal enemy population) should yield zero points and AP. When the factions get more aligned then increase the amount of points ans the AP.

VoiDGhOs7 · June 2018

Every morning EU Vivec.

Devlzdaughter · June 2018

If it makes you feel any better, both EP and DC, nightcap on Vivec NA pc. =/ All of AD has fled to the easy mode campaigns like shore. It is what it is...I guess. I'll keep fighting the good fight until more AD decide they'd like a real challenge and come back to play in Vivec. And maybe some of these EP and DC will decide they'd like more of a challenge and go play on your campaign instead. =/

Biro123 · June 2018

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Every morning EU Vivec.

All those crossed swords...!! Must have really worked hard for those keeps…

AllPlayAndNoWork · June 2018

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Every morning EU Vivec.

Its not that, that I have a problem with.... Its them winning every campaign because of it... its just making the campaign pointless.

Just take away the points they get because of the PvD. Make the campaign worth fighting for again.

Another option is to make a NPC race... maybe call them Imperials...... When the campaign is one sided like this and the map had been PvD'd to take back keeps & keep the scoring fair.

Aion did this very well with The Balaur.

Xsorus · June 2018

Night Capping is basically why something like DAOC didn't have scoring. Because you will never have balanced populations and One side with the most people is going to steam roll over the other sides in the late hours. In DAOC it was Albion a lot of the time in this game its EP on Vivec NA right now. Nothing you can do to change that.

ShenaniganSquad · June 2018

Again most of the posts here want to penalize the people who dont live in their time zones.... well here is the fix. Its three fold... and the first two are on Zos so good luck with it ever happening but here it is anyway... 1. make the campaigns all 7 days. That way the points cant get so far out of reach that it cant be clawed back from the leading faction. 2. Faction lock characters. If you start a campaign in AD you stay AD for the duration and that campaign. You want to play your EP toon, you have to pick a different home campaign. This will stop ALOT of the crap that goes on in these campaigns. and 3. go recruit.. do some work, show up, represent, earn the win. Of course the 3rd one would be easier if zos did the first two.

and lastly, zos needs to make a dueling arena, for people who dont want to play in a war campaign. Make hammer death arena an actual zone that has a leader board for duelists, there are 3 area's in hammer death that could be utilized for 1v1 dueling and have it earn ap like in cyrodiil, have a leaderboard for it, this would take alot of the zerg complainers out of cyrodiil, because as far as i can see from these forums, the most complaining comes from solo, small group players.. so give them an area and let those of us who love the large scale war like battles to enjoy them.

Honestly, this is the only fair way to deal with all of these complaints that i can see... but its zos, so its like wishing santa was real

ShenaniganSquad · June 2018

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

ShenaniganSquad wrote: »

This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..

I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..

Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.

This is a competitive game with a scoring system. The scoring system should reflect which side is better, just like in a football match.

Currently it only reflects which side all the non-primetime players flocked to, to capture the whole map against zero opposition.

You are absolutely right...there is a scoring system that doesn't lie. It shows work over 30 days, day or night and shows without a doubt who puts in more time and won the most fights. You may label whatever you like, bang hands on desk explaining that the only players who care about winning only play at 6pm or 12am- doesn't matter one bit. Either the faction as a whole is organized and wants to win, or is overpopulated with solo yolo who 'are just looking for good fights' but the end still reflects who won the most fights, with most coordinated effort over 30 days.

Telling a person to 'dial down' their want to win is an easy way to suggest maybe the problem isn't night capping, maybe no one in that faction wants to coordinate or 'work' for the win in the first place.....matter of fact creating a thread in the forums and complaining itself suggests that is the case. Instead of organizing and coordinating a reasonable response- the route of 'guilting' the opposition into not playing is selected. I play NA- we see these from time to time and I will say the only response is to organize and play the map. The only thing this is trying to do is take people who are putting in effort and asking them to 'for the sake of all that is good in the world' let others who are not trying as hard win.....why? Earn it.

10/10...... thankyou...

Biro123 · June 2018

ShenaniganSquad wrote: »

Again most of the posts here want to penalize the people who dont live in their time zones.... well here is the fix. Its three fold... and the first two are on Zos so good luck with it ever happening but here it is anyway... 1. make the campaigns all 7 days. That way the points cant get so far out of reach that it cant be clawed back from the leading faction. 2. Faction lock characters. If you start a campaign in AD you stay AD for the duration and that campaign. You want to play your EP toon, you have to pick a different home campaign. This will stop ALOT of the crap that goes on in these campaigns. and 3. go recruit.. do some work, show up, represent, earn the win. Of course the 3rd one would be easier if zos did the first two.

and lastly, zos needs to make a dueling arena, for people who dont want to play in a war campaign. Make hammer death arena an actual zone that has a leader board for duelists, there are 3 area's in hammer death that could be utilized for 1v1 dueling and have it earn ap like in cyrodiil, have a leaderboard for it, this would take alot of the zerg complainers out of cyrodiil, because as far as i can see from these forums, the most complaining comes from solo, small group players.. so give them an area and let those of us who love the large scale war like battles to enjoy them.

Honestly, this is the only fair way to deal with all of these complaints that i can see... but its zos, so its like wishing santa was real

Really? You think that will help?

1. 7 days will change NOTHING. Morning cappers ill still win every single campaign like they always have. Nothing will change.
2. Locking accounts (not characters) is what your explaining. I have no problem with that, but I don't think it will solve the problem. In fact it stops the only solution - which is for the off-peak players to split evenly over the factions for some even competition. A lot of the crap that goes on (as you put it) is not caused by faction swapping (although it allows it) - it is caused by players having no chance of changing the campaign - so why bother playing it?. AND THATIS ALL ON YOU AND YOURS.
3. Um, those who can play off-peak already are - and THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME BLOODY FACTION..

You really don't get it do you.

Nothing suggested is there to 'punish' off-peak players as you put it. However the current system of letting a handful of people completely dictate a campaign at the expense of hundreds kind of punishes those hundreds, don't you think? People are only asking for parity.
Simply put, when one faction gets hammered into the ground every day for the duration of 90% of the playerbase's playing time, it should be impossible for that faction to win.. Yet here we are with it impossible for them to lose - and its been like that for over 2 years..

Cyrodill is in its death throes - AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT!

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

Its kinda *** demand recruiting more early morning players when theres already more than enough for interesting and fun gameplay. Only problem is theyre all on one faction. And then this random dude comes in here demanding we recruit more...what a total tool he is. He has clearly never seen the tragedy of similar games. WARhammer online died 100% because of one faction doing exactly what ad are doing on vivec right now. But ye of course, its a L2P issue isnt it mr. australia. I guess your next claim will be ad have so many more better players, thats why they win, and dc+ep should L2P, I know you want to so just go ahead.

WillhelmBlack · June 2018

I've actually hung around during a morning cap from AD. It's like being chased by an angry mob because you used witchcraft on a couple of them at the resource you took. Can't actually believe there's someone in here claiming that they win the most fights, that's completely false, sending 12+ people to take back a resource is not a fight. It's just being a sweaty zergling.

DC especially put AD in the dirt during keep defences even if we are a third of the size of the AD zerg. During nightcap this isn't the case though. There's actually no one able to defend 1 keep at all, never mind 2-3 at a time.

Biro123 · June 2018

I think AD slept in this-morning.. map is a bit blue.. Don't think I've EVER seen that before on PCEU Vivec.

There's now a very large and angry AD zerg trying to take back what they lost with their sloads/shieldbreaker/light-attack spam, and failing horribly..

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

bigboss wagging his khajit magdk tail in anger frustration and rage at the handful of ep+dc players haulting his perfect pvd world

IxSTALKERxI · June 2018

No such thing as 'night capping', only population imbalance during different time zones. Need dynamic population caps and for the player base to balance things out. On NA many oceanic guilds / players have switched sides over the years to help balance it out when needed. Sounds like EU need to stop being zerglings and fight the good fight. Help the outnumbered side.

Ender1310 · June 2018

Increase NPC power level by the percentage of population disparity. Late at night when there is no one all each NPC hits like a world boss. This means that a few defenders have a chance at defending keeps and the late night gamers get a challenge. Easy peezy. Adjust as needed based off of feedback. Pay me.

Etaniel · June 2018

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

No such thing as 'night capping', only population imbalance during different time zones. Need dynamic population caps and for the player base to balance things out. On NA many oceanic guilds / players have switched sides over the years to help balance it out when needed. Sounds like EU need to stop being zerglings and fight the good fight. Help the outnumbered side.

Sounds like you know absolutely nothing about the EU situation?

Potenza · June 2018

You got low pop bonus - your good now.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · June 2018

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

No such thing as 'night capping', only population imbalance during different time zones. Need dynamic population caps and for the player base to balance things out. On NA many oceanic guilds / players have switched sides over the years to help balance it out when needed. Sounds like EU need to stop being zerglings and fight the good fight. Help the outnumbered side.

EU is rather different. Remember NA has 3 main zones of play, NA, AUS, JP. This covers a lot of the time and is why there is more activity. EU has the EU timezone and to a small degree East Russia. PVP dies after around 12 am UK time (or it did when I decided to swap to NA). Nightcapping begins at around 5am UK time when 20-30 people log in on AD side vs maybe 3-4. Its one group of players not the multiple guilds that NA has.

IxSTALKERxI · June 2018

Ah ok, that sounds even worse than I thought then... I mean even if you got a small group together to kill the AD during that time it would get pretty boring hunting down the same 30 people over and over... RIP ESO.

IxSTALKERxI · June 2018

Server merge? or give EU people character transfer option? I mean it's not like ping really matters anyway, you could live next to an ESO server and still have 999+ ping lol. XD

LarsS · June 2018

The problem with the Campaigns is an issue that only ZOS can solve, dont blame the players.

ZOS did try to balance the Campaigns with the Summerset update we all know that it failed.

What we need it to suggest a simple change that have a chance to balance the campaings and we need to agree or nothing will happen.

My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

Biro123 · June 2018

LarsS wrote: »

The problem with the Campaigns is an issue that only ZOS can solve, dont blame the players.

ZOS did try to balance the Campaigns with the Summerset update we all know that it failed.

What we need it to suggest a simple change that have a chance to balance the campaings and we need to agree or nothing will happen.

My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

Reasonable suggestions if you ask me, although I'm sure certain people will feel like they're being 'punished'

Sharee · June 2018

LarsS wrote: »

The problem with the Campaigns is an issue that only ZOS can solve, dont blame the players.

ZOS did try to balance the Campaigns with the Summerset update we all know that it failed.

What we need it to suggest a simple change that have a chance to balance the campaings and we need to agree or nothing will happen.

My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

That's a good start, but it still does not solve the problem of one alliance owning all(or most of) the assests when cyrodiil is finally balanced population-wise. For several hours, the "nightcappers" will enjoy increased scoring ticks that they do not deserve, while they are slowly being pushed back(recapping locked vs locked is not a fast affair).

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

the whole point and bonus system needs a serious rewamp not only in eso, but all mmos. I mean for how long has the strongest faction been given extra defence and attack bonuses increasing with their dominance? Its beyond reason really. It should first of all be the other way around. You own all keeps? Fine, you take extra damage.

Thats one point. Second point is the reward system and pop imbalance. In WARhammer, youd have to fight a big fkin NPC boss if you were outnumbering the other faction. Get a raidboss in any empty keep, the zerglings wanna pve? Let them handle pve objectives then. Make it a nasty one with loads of AoE and sloads.

Then the scrolls. Dont give points for scrolls. Give rewards. Thats one good reason for the good pvp guilds to deliver scrolls instead of trølling with it in some remote area. Rewards should be motifs.

About the keeps. Keep the points for these, but make walls and doors tougher (more hitpoints). Blitzing a keep is just lame. Right now you can take a keep in less than 5 mins. if you have a big enough zerg.

Then finally emperor. Remove buffs, give emperor other abilities. Siege buff is fine, but instead of extra damage buffs, increase the support buffs. Too many emps just wanna farm in resource towers these days when theyre crowned. Make them leaders not gankers.