Night Capping ... lets talk
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killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭So EU Vivec cyrodiil is at the moment a cesspit of rancid play, group of 1vx players ganking tools and nobody giving a *** about campaign apart from the 30 ad players early morning capping.
One of the major reasons pvp in cyrodiil is so toxic and unjoyable for the majority of the players, is the campaign was decided 2 days after it started. A 30 day campaign. Like the previous ones.
AD complain about purple alliance in primetime, like they wonder why both dc and ep want their scrolls back and are pissed off at their faction for ruining the campaign.
EP and DC elite guilds dont give a *** about campaign, and randomly troll with scroll when they cap it (with relative ease but they never bring it to scroll gate due to "whats the point AD take it ayway at 5 in the morning").
PUGs stay in cyrodiil only for a few hours during prime time, try to find their factions biggest zerg so they can score some ap, or at least stand a chance against the previous mentioned elite guilds (who I totally respect and find it fair they dont care about a dead campaign). The number of pugs diminish every day. Theres no queue to log in to EU Vivec anymore during prime time. I log in, im in cyrodiil...
The pugs semi-interested in cyrodiil during off peak hours, roll AD. Because theres absolutely no fun playing against AD in the odd hours.
A number of good ep players are quitting come CU and the future incoming pvp mmos. And who can blame them.
Vivec cyrodiil EU is dieing.
This is the situation. I doubt the early morning AD zerg will even realize it, because they dont play during prime time. If vivec becomes empty prime time, they will just repeat what they do now, PvDoor. No difference for them. They dont want to pvp. Thats also the situation. They just wanna cap stuff.
Is there anything zos can do about this? Yes, and no.
- First of all, the scroll bonuses should be completely removed. Dont give ap for scrolls, give rewards. That could potentially encourage pro-guilds to cap scrolls, and hence attack the backlines of the other factiosn, spreading the fights. Make the rewards motifs.
- Give the underpopulated alliance bonus stats instead of the overpopulated alliance. I mean, come on, this system is so old and crazy. Your alliance is 30 man more than the other two alliances? Fine, we reward you with extra defence and offence stats....Lol...It should be the other way around. The more keep your alliance owns, the more damage you take. Period.
- Make keeps more custimization options, and give the guilds owning them bonuses depending on how long theyve owned the, Get realm and guildpride back by rewards. Your guild owns a keep for a full day? Splendid, you get a reward. Extra AP as an example. Keeps can also be more customized. More armour, more guards, tougher guards. Lookouts warning about attacks in your guild message. Purchaceable Lords defending flagroom, or make Lords (elite NPC's, bosses) spawn when pop is low. The big zerg wanna PvE? Let them face a raid boss if theres no enemy players.
- Low pop bonuses. More of those. It eventully fixed Sotha Sil. DC broke EP dominance due to low pop bonus first. And it turned around the whole campaig. Use it. And increase the points.6 -
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There it is plain and simpleShenaniganSquad wrote: »OMG another thread with people in it who think the world revolves around their time zone... you need to go back to 1st grade and revisit your lesson on how the world is a globe, and how on one side of the world its day time, and the other its night time. I seriously am starting to think that half of eso is made up of narcissists.
We have had this same idiotic discussion on the kyne NA thread. News flash. People play when they can play, the game is 24/7.. Im in australia and our guild has about 50% aussies, we play from 8pm - midnight nearly every night of the week. It is not our fault there are not many other people on. The fact that there are some players out there who think that we dont have the right to play as we see fit, that our subscription somehow does not match theirs in value and that we should be penalized for the time zone we live in, only serves to prove to me that there are a lot of people in this game who havent left their basement in a very long time.
For heavens sake grow up and think of someone other than yourself for a change, when its night time for you its day time for someone else, and vice versa, you cant penalize players for where they live in the world.
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If you do not want to play for the underpopulated side, you are welcome to switch to playing AD in a campaign where it is not overpopulated, or wait in a 500 man queue.Edited by ZOS_JesC on June 21, 2018 1:19PM0 -
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Are you aware that this is about PC/EU Vivec? Are you aware of the state of this particular campaign?Edited by ZOS_JesC on June 21, 2018 1:20PMno CP PvP PC/EU
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Then you can fight EP or DC both were morning capping, i never said to switch sides but do some pvp rather then PvD to ruin the campaign.
Why do you ruin the campaign? Because there is no other zerg to take back the things you capped for at least 8 hours, which translates to huge imbalances.Edited by ZOS_JesC on June 21, 2018 1:21PM0 -
ShenaniganSquad✭✭✭This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.
This is a competitive game with a scoring system. The scoring system should reflect which side is better, just like in a football match.
Currently it only reflects which side all the non-primetime players flocked to, to capture the whole map against zero opposition.3 -
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✭ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
Yeah. No. During the bad time of PC/EU Sotha Sil, when the map was fully red every afternoon UTC, which, btw, made me switch from EP to DC, I took some questionable comfort in the knowledge that PC/EU Vivec is even more *** up.
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killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.
If you really care about the campaign and pvp, why not go to a shard (sotha sil, Kyne) where AD is undermanned in your playtime? Then you would get some of your beloved pvp instead of pvd...IF thats what youre looking for of course...3 -
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✭@killimandrosb16 Agreed with pretty much all you wrote, except for this bit...
Oh they will notice when Vivec finally dies and people stop playing in prime time... They will notice this, because there will be nothing for them to PvDoor. The morning capping bananas rely on AD getting their arses kicked and run to their staging areas when all faction are pop locked. When DC an EP players finally call it quits, the map will remain forever more yellow once the morning cappers paint it so, and there will be nothing left to do in Vivec for anyone.killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »This is the situation. I doubt the early morning AD zerg will even realize it, because they dont play during prime time. If vivec becomes empty prime time, they will just repeat what they do now, PvDoor. No difference for them. They dont want to pvp. Thats also the situation. They just wanna cap stuff.
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭I know how to solve it!
All alliances must HAVE the same number of people on at the same time... If EP has 15, so does everyone else! If someone leaves, the last person in the other alliances who entered gets kicked from Cyro!
Easy!
Edited by Nermy on June 21, 2018 12:26PM@Nermy
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.
This is a competitive game with a scoring system. The scoring system should reflect which side is better, just like in a football match.
Currently it only reflects which side all the non-primetime players flocked to, to capture the whole map against zero opposition.
You are absolutely right...there is a scoring system that doesn't lie. It shows work over 30 days, day or night and shows without a doubt who puts in more time and won the most fights. You may label whatever you like, bang hands on desk explaining that the only players who care about winning only play at 6pm or 12am- doesn't matter one bit. Either the faction as a whole is organized and wants to win, or is overpopulated with solo yolo who 'are just looking for good fights' but the end still reflects who won the most fights, with most coordinated effort over 30 days.
Telling a person to 'dial down' their want to win is an easy way to suggest maybe the problem isn't night capping, maybe no one in that faction wants to coordinate or 'work' for the win in the first place.....matter of fact creating a thread in the forums and complaining itself suggests that is the case. Instead of organizing and coordinating a reasonable response- the route of 'guilting' the opposition into not playing is selected. I play NA- we see these from time to time and I will say the only response is to organize and play the map. The only thing this is trying to do is take people who are putting in effort and asking them to 'for the sake of all that is good in the world' let others who are not trying as hard win.....why? Earn it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.
This is a competitive game with a scoring system. The scoring system should reflect which side is better, just like in a football match.
Currently it only reflects which side all the non-primetime players flocked to, to capture the whole map against zero opposition.
You are absolutely right...there is a scoring system that doesn't lie. It shows work over 30 days, day or night and shows without a doubt who puts in more time and won the most fights. You may label whatever you like, bang hands on desk explaining that the only players who care about winning only play at 6pm or 12am- doesn't matter one bit. Either the faction as a whole is organized and wants to win, or is overpopulated with solo yolo who 'are just looking for good fights' but the end still reflects who won the most fights, with most coordinated effort over 30 days.
Telling a person to 'dial down' their want to win is an easy way to suggest maybe the problem isn't night capping, maybe no one in that faction wants to coordinate or 'work' for the win in the first place.....matter of fact creating a thread in the forums and complaining itself suggests that is the case. Instead of organizing and coordinating a reasonable response- the route of 'guilting' the opposition into not playing is selected. I play NA- we see these from time to time and I will say the only response is to organize and play the map. The only thing this is trying to do is take people who are putting in effort and asking them to 'for the sake of all that is good in the world' let others who are not trying as hard win.....why? Earn it.
Most of the score for the winning side in EU vivec comes from holding scrolls during the day, when the overall cyrodiil population is very low, and the vast majority of them is playing for the side with the scrolls. That has nothing to do with coordinated effort, only with flooding the enemy with overwhelming numbers. (15 vs 3 is a typical "fight" at those times).
In order to organize and coordinate a reasonable response, you first need players to organize and coordinate. But when all the available players are playing on the same side, there is nothing to coordinate.Edited by Sharee on June 21, 2018 12:56PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I know how to solve it!
All alliances must HAVE the same number of people on at the same time... If EP has 15, so does everyone else! If someone leaves, the last person in the other alliances who entered gets kicked from Cyro!
Easy!
This is not even necessary. Just prevent new ones from joining, the natural player fluctuation will take care of the rest.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »ShenaniganSquad wrote: »This issue is in every campaign on both servers.. EU or NA.. vivec or kyne... the whining is the same..
I shouldnt have to point this out but.. this isnt a football match.. just last month AD was in 3rd and 3k points behind, my guild got stuck in and worked day and night for 4 days and guess what, we ended up winning the campaign..
Only thing I agree with here is that all campaigns should be 7 days not 30.. i think the problem is the 30 day campaign not the timezones and when people play.
This is a competitive game with a scoring system. The scoring system should reflect which side is better, just like in a football match.
Currently it only reflects which side all the non-primetime players flocked to, to capture the whole map against zero opposition.
You are absolutely right...there is a scoring system that doesn't lie. It shows work over 30 days, day or night and shows without a doubt who puts in more time and won the most fights. You may label whatever you like, bang hands on desk explaining that the only players who care about winning only play at 6pm or 12am- doesn't matter one bit. Either the faction as a whole is organized and wants to win, or is overpopulated with solo yolo who 'are just looking for good fights' but the end still reflects who won the most fights, with most coordinated effort over 30 days.
Telling a person to 'dial down' their want to win is an easy way to suggest maybe the problem isn't night capping, maybe no one in that faction wants to coordinate or 'work' for the win in the first place.....matter of fact creating a thread in the forums and complaining itself suggests that is the case. Instead of organizing and coordinating a reasonable response- the route of 'guilting' the opposition into not playing is selected. I play NA- we see these from time to time and I will say the only response is to organize and play the map. The only thing this is trying to do is take people who are putting in effort and asking them to 'for the sake of all that is good in the world' let others who are not trying as hard win.....why? Earn it.
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭With "won the most fights" you mean fights vs NPC, right? After all the scoring system doesn't reward actual PvP.
I would suggest that if "winning" was what you want...then understanding how the game is scored and WHAT scores points would be a good start to winning the camp....If that isn't the point, then maybe a different thread saying something along the lines of "EU Vivec...lets make it battlegrounds" would be more appropriate. Otherwise you recognize the problem....'looking for good fights' isn't getting it done.
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dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »I would suggest that if "winning" was what you want...then understanding how the game is scored and WHAT scores points would be a good start to winning the camp....If that isn't the point, then maybe a different thread saying something along the lines of "EU Vivec...lets make it battlegrounds" would be more appropriate. Otherwise you recognize the problem....'looking for good fights' isn't getting it done.
You heard it here first folks, these people don't want to PVP at all.
At least it has finally been admitted. Maybe we can now just scrap the campaign scoring entirely, seeing as it is totally useless - and get back to some actual PVP.3 -
Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭dtsharples wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »I would suggest that if "winning" was what you want...then understanding how the game is scored and WHAT scores points would be a good start to winning the camp....If that isn't the point, then maybe a different thread saying something along the lines of "EU Vivec...lets make it battlegrounds" would be more appropriate. Otherwise you recognize the problem....'looking for good fights' isn't getting it done.
You heard it here first folks, these people don't want to PVP at all.
At least it has finally been admitted. Maybe we can now just scrap the campaign scoring entirely, seeing as it is totally useless - and get back to some actual PVP.
This would be the problem...players in the loosing faction posturing in forums rather than recognizing the "we could win cause we are better and know how to play, but we CHOOSE not to do that because its not what we WANT to do" is see through and childish. It has always been the excuse of losers to tell those winning that they understand but CHOOSE not to win. Laughable.
Play better, more strategically and win.....or come to forums and beta male posture about what you could do only if you really really wanted to. But you don't want to...but could if you did.
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✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »With "won the most fights" you mean fights vs NPC, right? After all the scoring system doesn't reward actual PvP.
I would suggest that if "winning" was what you want...then understanding how the game is scored and WHAT scores points would be a good start to winning the camp....If that isn't the point, then maybe a different thread saying something along the lines of "EU Vivec...lets make it battlegrounds" would be more appropriate. Otherwise you recognize the problem....'looking for good fights' isn't getting it done.
A good start to winning the camp would be not being fkin outnumberer 5 to 1 80% of the server online time. Your preaching about "coordinating" and "understanding scoring" to the guys who you outnumber 5 to 1 is literally oozing hypocrisy.3 -
Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭That is impossible....players who 'PvP for good fights' flip to the losing alliance when "looking for good fights". So you see....the trifaciton players would NEVER let that happen. That is how I know you are not accurate.0
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✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »dtsharples wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »I would suggest that if "winning" was what you want...then understanding how the game is scored and WHAT scores points would be a good start to winning the camp....If that isn't the point, then maybe a different thread saying something along the lines of "EU Vivec...lets make it battlegrounds" would be more appropriate. Otherwise you recognize the problem....'looking for good fights' isn't getting it done.
You heard it here first folks, these people don't want to PVP at all.
At least it has finally been admitted. Maybe we can now just scrap the campaign scoring entirely, seeing as it is totally useless - and get back to some actual PVP.
This would be the problem...players in the loosing faction posturing in forums rather than recognizing the "we could win cause we are better and know how to play, but we CHOOSE not to do that because its not what we WANT to do" is see through and childish. It has always been the excuse of losers to tell those winning that they understand but CHOOSE not to win. Laughable.
Play better, more strategically and win.....or come to forums and beta male posture about what you could do only if you really really wanted to. But you don't want to...but could if you did.
Utter BS as AD gets facerolled in prime time every night yet they win the campaign every time. Guess the strategy is to go to sleep suring primetime and wake up at 4 am.ShenaniganSquad wrote: »All you wrote, right back at you. Why should your PvDoor action be valued more than PvP that 95% of ppl participate in? You fight empty keeps and call it PvP? Noone want to take away APs you gain by your PvDoor actions. If that is what you enjoy, be my guest. Issue is that such actions ruin the campaign for vast majority of ppl that play on that campaign. All we ask for is a balance for points that count for campaign. Or are you so entitled that you believe your PvDoor should be valued more than actual PvP that most ppl playing campaign participate in?
I have highlighted the stupid comment you made... You think we like fighting empty keeps???? No we dont.. we would love it if the rest of you could take off work and show up so we can kill you.. BUT THAT WOULD BE STUPID TO ASK YOU.... it is what it is.. its called time zones.. it sucks for us in the southern hemisphere because our population is far lower obviously so less players on in our evenings... but what the hell should we do about it? Nothing.... hit the keeps, try to enjoy the ap we get, do what we can to contribute to the campaign and look forward to the weekends when we can get online during OUR daytime and actually fight people... I should also add that in case everyone has forgotten, cyrodiil is Alliance vs Alliance... its a war campaign, not a dueling competition.. That means that taking keeps is actually PART OF THE GOAL... UGH... how some people hold jobs when their ability to grasp a concept is so limited is beyond me. Im sick of hearing this bs about night capping. You do all realise that the exact same thing happens to us right? when we sign on the map is a solid single colour, we have to work our way back from our tri-keeps .. so from our point of view, its you who night caps
Once again utter BS, the southern hemisphere players are no different than the north hemisphere or whatever part of the globe, hence there is no reason for populations to be massively skewed towards one faction in particular. Or maybe 100% of the australians/russians/ethyopians or wherever rolled AD?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »That is impossible....players who 'PvP for good fights' flip to the losing alliance when "looking for good fights". So you see....the trifaciton players would NEVER let that happen. That is how I know you are not accurate.
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✭✭✭✭I know how to solve it!
All alliances must HAVE the same number of people on at the same time... If EP has 15, so does everyone else! If someone leaves, the last person in the other alliances who entered gets kicked from Cyro!
Easy!
I would never have condoned this before, but after reading @ShenaniganSquad's drivel, understanding the kind of person doing this and their complete self-centred drive to destroy the game - I can now get behind it.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »That is impossible....players who 'PvP for good fights' flip to the losing alliance when "looking for good fights". So you see....the trifaciton players would NEVER let that happen. That is how I know you are not accurate.
You're welcome to come and play for DC EU in the mornings. Then you'll see how impossible it is.
And have nothing but forum warriors in zone telling us all how well they strategize and could win if they chose to? Nah man...we have our own issues on NA. Strange thing is players are similar on both servers....they will spend hours and days whining and complaining....but little time working for wins, wondering why they don't win. All it takes is exactly what I have mentioned. Use strategy and coordinate- put in more work and you will win. Don't do that, and you will see the same results. You can always try telling those who are winning they need to "dial down" what they do to win, while disparaging them and pretending to know how to do it- but that doesn't work well at the end of the camp either.1 -
killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »That is impossible....players who 'PvP for good fights' flip to the losing alliance when "looking for good fights". So you see....the trifaciton players would NEVER let that happen. That is how I know you are not accurate.
I am unsure if deliberately trolling this thread, and unsure wether or not you are actually playing AD EU Vivec. If the latter is a "no", then you do not know the situation good enough to make any comment and are only advocaating whatever you are out of spite for the situation.
If you are indeed playing AD EU Vivec, you would know 4-12 in the morning EU time is the situation where two players mainly (and they are both EU players, so they deliberately wake up so early in order to avoid having to fight during prime-time) wake up so early together with a good group of other EU players (and yes theyre EU, because during prime time, you can find them in either Sotha Sil or playing another alliance in Vivec, but not AD) with one intention only; to colour the map yellow. At this time, there is maybe 10 players of the opposite factions trying to resist this 30-50 player AD group with absolutely no chance. There is no incent to pvp at all. The only aim is to cap keeps, if possible the least resistant way. IF a keep is being defended, there will be double or triple tags to make sure at least one keep can be pvd yellow. Then ultimately dc and ep are left with one keep each at most.
This isnt a problem with timezones at all. Most of these guys take a break during lunchtime, and return in the evening to troll on their ep or dc toons, which doesnt make the situation much better because their ONLY aim is to troll, in chat and on the field. The AD population during primetime until early night, is demolished even though the population is equal. And that is not because ep and dc form an alliance, oh no, dc normally prefer to push towards arrius as much as possible, while ep normally is the faction trying to dethrone.
Vivecs bread and butter are its pugs. They are disappearing now, apart from the ones who loyally show up at ad side during the morning cap period. Trying to convince anyone these guys are actually interested the slightes in pvp or any challenge at all, would be a big lie. They want the easiest possible access to a campaign win. Period.
The reason for this situation is to blame on Zenimax. Their scoring and bonus system highly promotes this gameplay, and the pugs can not be blamed for taking the advantage of a situation created by the game designers to accomodate them to the fullest.
The question is if these guys will ever WANT to pvp, or what is their aim playing cyrodiil? I am actually quite certain IF there was resistance, most of these early morning guys would log off cyrodiil never to return. When their pvp skills gets exposed for what it is (and Ive done my fair share of trying to defend during the morning hours, they are bad...my kill/death ratio during mornings is 72/1 while in primetime it drops to around 45) I believe they will most likely just move on to the next easy to reach reward. The AD players playing at primetime is a whole level higher than this and I dont mind them at all. Most of them seems like ok players and are probably frustrated by the fact they will have to play with their back to the wall for their entire prime time session (ep and dc want their scrolls back and are pissed off at ad morning cap group).
So for the majority of the player base, including the ad prime time players, the whole campaign system is unbearable. It has no meaning, it creates griefing trolling and general annoyance.
Until zenimax manage to find a way to make a scoring system more interesting for the morning ad pugs to split up over all factions, I suggest closing the whole campaign play entirely, and cap the 100 best players of each faction with a campaign reward. I have already given some suggestions as to how the campaign can be changed, but until a good system is in place, give 1 point for kills, 100 for keeps taken, 50 for towers and 10 for resources. Remove the scrolls and see what happens.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »That is impossible....players who 'PvP for good fights' flip to the losing alliance when "looking for good fights". So you see....the trifaciton players would NEVER let that happen. That is how I know you are not accurate.
You're welcome to come and play for DC EU in the mornings. Then you'll see how impossible it is.
And have nothing but forum warriors in zone telling us all how well they strategize and could win if they chose to? .
Actually, what you usually hear in our chat is "30 AD inc to scroll temple, 4 defenders" (because 4 is how many we got online).Edited by Sharee on June 21, 2018 1:54PM2