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why is no one talking about calurions magblade?

Swimguy
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yea magsorcs are stronk but what about the unavoidable burst concealed+callurions is that raages from 14-19k in PvP (dont forget incap/soul harvest+ele det etc)??? on a class that can perma cloak. idk why IC isnt swarmed with this already. seems as though people only complain when stamina has the OP proc set..
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    yea magsorcs are stronk but what about the unavoidable burst concealed+callurions is that raages from 14-19k in PvP (dont forget incap/soul harvest+ele det etc)??? on a class that can perma cloak. idk why IC isnt swarmed with this already. seems as though people only complain when stamina has the OP proc set..

    14-19k in PvP!???

    If that combo is hitting someone that hard, then the problem is that someone needs to pay more attention to their defensive capability...

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  • Mihael
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    caluurion needs to go same as sloads if you cant play mag blade without being carried by procs you need to re roll
  • Strider__Roshin
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    I've been asking for something to be done about Caluurion but it doesn't have the same outcry.
  • Kram8ion
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    Because it's reflected by dk wings and it's mind numbingly slow
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  • glavius
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    yea magsorcs are stronk but what about the unavoidable burst concealed+callurions is that raages from 14-19k in PvP (dont forget incap/soul harvest+ele det etc)??? on a class that can perma cloak. idk why IC isnt swarmed with this already. seems as though people only complain when stamina has the OP proc set..

    It's good, but basically makes attacking a reflect user suicide.
  • Swimguy
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    Kram8ion wrote: »
    Because it's reflected by dk wings and it's mind numbingly slow

    yea but on classes that dont reflect its almost guaranteed kill. also magblades use it to gank meaning u probably wont have reflect up anyways....

    doesnt matter how slow the projectile is if it hits instantly from melee.... lol
    Edited by Swimguy on June 23, 2018 6:27AM
  • Kram8ion
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    It's not hitting harder than any number of sets or abilities it's just part of a combination used, please stop singling out one part of death recap as op when it's almost always a combination of many
    Oh and yes I have used the set myself months ago and found it pretty average
    Edited by Kram8ion on June 23, 2018 7:18AM
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  • Feanor
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    Nightblades are not Sorcs, and it’s „nerf Sorcs“ season at the moment. NBs will get their turn again once Sorcs are ruined.
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  • Waffennacht
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    The cool down is what makes it balanced
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  • Kadoin
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    Because they are focusing on Sload's. Better learn how to roll randomly or hold block when you see an NB around...
  • The_Protagonist
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    Why don't we all make a list of every set that anyone has died to and start crying tears of salt till those sets give nothing but negative stats.

    Clever Alchemist - It only buffed WD/SD and it was nerfed (I remember the reason given for the nerf, it was a lazy adjustment)

    Crit Removal from stealth and Proc Sets - PvE was hurt most by this nerf and this was celebrated by non impen scrubs

    Anyone who likes to continue the list please do so.

    ZOS you should really analyze a little bit more before rolling out nerfs and destroying your own work. The wish of a few does not exceed the enjoyment of many.

    Cheers.
  • ChefZero
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    Caluurion is more a troll than cancer build IMO. Also on PC EU I don't encounter any dangerous magNB (especially in melee combat) in BGs or Cyrodiil since week's.

    Maybe they are afraid of Sloads? Or are they jealous of other classes who are more able to use skills with delayed damage for burst?
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  • Gprime31
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    Mihael wrote: »
    caluurion needs to go same as sloads if you cant play mag blade without being carried by procs you need to re roll

    ^ this
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    The cool down is what makes it balanced

    High burst damage high cooldown leaves fewer instances of counterplay though. Zaans, for instance, at least builds up its damage.
  • DDuke
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    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol
    Edited by DDuke on June 23, 2018 11:57AM
  • The_Protagonist
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    DDuke wrote: »
    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol


    That is most certainly unintended, however there has been no word from ZOS yet on this, probably because it could be a lot of work for them to fix it.

    I like proc sets no doubt there, but I despise exploits of any kind.
  • agrr70
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    Saw my mate attacking a DK, caluurians procced jus before he flapped his wings, was like slow motion watching it go in then bounce back to him lol
    Edited by agrr70 on June 23, 2018 2:50PM
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  • Swimguy
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    Kram8ion wrote: »
    Because it's reflected by dk wings and it's mind numbingly slow
    Kadoin wrote: »
    Because they are focusing on Sload's. Better learn how to roll randomly or hold block when you see an NB around...
    Swimguy wrote: »
    yea magsorcs are stronk but what about the unavoidable burst concealed+callurions is that raages from 14-19k in PvP (dont forget incap/soul harvest+ele det etc)??? on a class that can perma cloak. idk why IC isnt swarmed with this already. seems as though people only complain when stamina has the OP proc set..

    14-19k in PvP!???

    If that combo is hitting someone that hard, then the problem is that someone needs to pay more attention to their defensive capability...

    concealed for 6k from stealth and callurions hits 9k. 2k impen and 18k resistances. this set is OP idk why people complained about the old viper but when callurions comes out its like w/e.
  • Swimguy
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    agrr70 wrote: »
    Saw my mate attacking a DK, caluurians procced jus before he flapped his wings, was like slow motion watching it go in then bounce back to him lol

    im not talking about the ranged procs. im talking about the stunned from stealth undodgeable/unblockable procs......
  • Swimguy
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    DDuke wrote: »
    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol

    true buy asylum snipe gank takes at least some skill/practice of using it, and so does magplar but callurions literally is just 1 button and you get roughly an extra 10k burst.... if ZOS wants to slowly remove all the skill and just make PvP a proc v proc RNG fest then there doing a good job.

    Its honestly getting pretty obvious there is a clear bias towards mag classes not only from players but the devs too..... SMH
    Edited by Swimguy on June 23, 2018 3:43PM
  • Dredlord
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    ChefZero wrote: »
    Or are they jealous of other classes who are more able to use skills with delayed damage for burst?

    BINGO! I have noticed all the try hards rollin on their "lit" magsorcs now.
  • Waffennacht
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol

    true buy asylum snipe gank takes at least some skill/practice of using it, and so does magplar but callurions literally is just 1 button and you get roughly an extra 10k burst.... if ZOS wants to slowly remove all the skill and just make PvP a proc v proc RNG fest then there doing a good job.

    Its honestly getting pretty obvious there is a clear bias towards mag classes not only from players but the devs too..... SMH

    Wtf, the only time mag was favored was like 4 years ago during the elder staves online. But since then WAY more towards Stam

    More proc sets, faster cooldown, better stats. I.e. Hundling LONG before Juli

    Viper, Tremor, Sheer, veli, Selene, hell Skoria was almost exclusively Stam builds for a while vs what Zaan, Cal and skoria??

    Shorter cooldowns on all, with equivalent or more damage.

    Mag gets 2 proc sets and Stam freaks out.

    Not like mag gets an AoE undodgeable execute, resistance ignoring bleeds, gap closer, HoTs, spot heals, spammables, Dodge, snare immunity, non-resistance based mitigation, dot execute, spammable execute etc

    The only advantage Mag has is range for PvE
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  • thankyourat
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol

    true buy asylum snipe gank takes at least some skill/practice of using it, and so does magplar but callurions literally is just 1 button and you get roughly an extra 10k burst.... if ZOS wants to slowly remove all the skill and just make PvP a proc v proc RNG fest then there doing a good job.

    Its honestly getting pretty obvious there is a clear bias towards mag classes not only from players but the devs too..... SMH

    Wtf, the only time mag was favored was like 4 years ago during the elder staves online. But since then WAY more towards Stam

    More proc sets, faster cooldown, better stats. I.e. Hundling LONG before Juli

    Viper, Tremor, Sheer, veli, Selene, hell Skoria was almost exclusively Stam builds for a while vs what Zaan, Cal and skoria??

    Shorter cooldowns on all, with equivalent or more damage.

    Mag gets 2 proc sets and Stam freaks out.

    Not like mag gets an AoE undodgeable execute, resistance ignoring bleeds, gap closer, HoTs, spot heals, spammables, Dodge, snare immunity, non-resistance based mitigation, dot execute, spammable execute etc

    The only advantage Mag has is range for PvE

    Stam also has good heavy armor sets which Magicka doesn't have. I wish there was a Magicka version of Truth, fury or 7th legion because light armor is pure garbage...

    In my opinion the proc sets need to go but I wish Magicka had viable heavy armor damage sets to compensate
    Edited by thankyourat on June 23, 2018 5:58PM
  • ChefZero
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    You've gotta compare it to other stealth burst combos.

    Asylum Snipe deals more damage, Crystal Blast(or Rune Cage)+Overload deals more damage, Dark Flare Javelin deals more damage etc.


    Once they add another similar proc set or two to go along with Caluurion, then watch out. But until then...

    Edit: with pre-procced (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419374/assassins-will-exploit/p4) Assassin's Scourge it's broken though lol

    true buy asylum snipe gank takes at least some skill/practice of using it, and so does magplar but callurions literally is just 1 button and you get roughly an extra 10k burst.... if ZOS wants to slowly remove all the skill and just make PvP a proc v proc RNG fest then there doing a good job.

    Its honestly getting pretty obvious there is a clear bias towards mag classes not only from players but the devs too..... SMH

    Wtf, the only time mag was favored was like 4 years ago during the elder staves online. But since then WAY more towards Stam

    More proc sets, faster cooldown, better stats. I.e. Hundling LONG before Juli

    Viper, Tremor, Sheer, veli, Selene, hell Skoria was almost exclusively Stam builds for a while vs what Zaan, Cal and skoria??

    Shorter cooldowns on all, with equivalent or more damage.

    Mag gets 2 proc sets and Stam freaks out.

    Not like mag gets an AoE undodgeable execute, resistance ignoring bleeds, gap closer, HoTs, spot heals, spammables, Dodge, snare immunity, non-resistance based mitigation, dot execute, spammable execute etc

    The only advantage Mag has is range for PvE

    Stam also has good heavy armor sets which Magicka doesn't have. I wish there was a Magicka version of Truth, fury or 7th legion because light armor is pure garbage...

    In my opinion the proc sets need to go but I wish Magicka had viable heavy armor damage sets to compensate

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  • ChefZero
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    Dredlord wrote: »
    ChefZero wrote: »
    Or are they jealous of other classes who are more able to use skills with delayed damage for burst?

    BINGO! I have noticed all the try hards rollin on their "lit" magsorcs now.

    Yeah I would trade impale for fury immediately if I could on my NB :#
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  • Vapirko
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    I fear more the crippling grasp, Zaan, Assassins will combo. 14k Assassins will in light armor.
  • grannas211
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    Because thats not a nerf sorc thread. Duh.
  • Waffennacht
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    grannas211 wrote: »
    Because thats not a nerf sorc thread. Duh.

    To me it is, my sorc is my primary user of Cal
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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Swimguy wrote: »
    Kram8ion wrote: »
    Because it's reflected by dk wings and it's mind numbingly slow
    Kadoin wrote: »
    Because they are focusing on Sload's. Better learn how to roll randomly or hold block when you see an NB around...
    Swimguy wrote: »
    yea magsorcs are stronk but what about the unavoidable burst concealed+callurions is that raages from 14-19k in PvP (dont forget incap/soul harvest+ele det etc)??? on a class that can perma cloak. idk why IC isnt swarmed with this already. seems as though people only complain when stamina has the OP proc set..

    14-19k in PvP!???

    If that combo is hitting someone that hard, then the problem is that someone needs to pay more attention to their defensive capability...

    concealed for 6k from stealth and callurions hits 9k. 2k impen and 18k resistances. this set is OP idk why people complained about the old viper but when callurions comes out its like w/e.

    Try running 29k Resists and 2.8k Impend and watch those numbers drop dramatically...
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  • Mihael
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    Why don't we all make a list of every set that anyone has died to and start crying tears of salt till those sets give nothing but negative stats.

    Clever Alchemist - It only buffed WD/SD and it was nerfed (I remember the reason given for the nerf, it was a lazy adjustment)

    Crit Removal from stealth and Proc Sets - PvE was hurt most by this nerf and this was celebrated by non impen scrubs

    Anyone who likes to continue the list please do so.

    ZOS you should really analyze a little bit more before rolling out nerfs and destroying your own work. The wish of a few does not exceed the enjoyment of many.

    Cheers.

    By any chance where you a clever alch ganker before?
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