My level 8 friend says ESO is TOO easy
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MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
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It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
IRain_Greyraven wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
Got to agree with this......
It appears that the biggest whiners on this forums are those that paid as little as 8 bucks for the base game and that's it. Seriously talk to the average PVPer or the super hard core rush to max level then raid player.....they mostly spend Jack and Sh**, but oh how they cry!
"I have a 3 G connection, I play wireless on Console and the game lags!!!" (*Gasp* Really?!!! It has to be the crappy game then!)
" ZoS has abandoned PVPers!!! (Never mind that myself and all my friends act like Griefing Aholes to everyone we play with and their's no more victims left)
"Why Can't everything be free NOW!!!!" (Forget that devlopers like to pay their mortgages and their electric bill)
On and on.....and those of us who have put a lot of time and money (Some of my guild mates regularly spend 50-60 bucks a month on average) into this game are frankly sick of it. You hate the game we got it, as Rich once said.....
"You know you don't have to be here right?"
Seriously, there are tons of f2p options, I don't get why crying on a forum is so much more preferable than finding a MMO you actually like.
I bought the base game for full price.Not sure where you get that from,but pretty sure there are some in the casual side that also paid 8 dollars for the base game.0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
IRain_Greyraven wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
Got to agree with this......
It appears that the biggest whiners on this forums are those that paid as little as 8 bucks for the base game and that's it. Seriously talk to the average PVPer or the super hard core rush to max level then raid player.....they mostly spend Jack and Sh**, but oh how they cry!
"I have a 3 G connection, I play wireless on Console and the game lags!!!" (*Gasp* Really?!!! It has to be the crappy game then!)
" ZoS has abandoned PVPers!!! (Never mind that myself and all my friends act like Griefing Aholes to everyone we play with and their's no more victims left)
"Why Can't everything be free NOW!!!!" (Forget that devlopers like to pay their mortgages and their electric bill)
On and on.....and those of us who have put a lot of time and money (Some of my guild mates regularly spend 50-60 bucks a month on average) into this game are frankly sick of it. You hate the game we got it, as Rich once said.....
"You know you don't have to be here right?"
Seriously, there are tons of f2p options, I don't get why crying on a forum is so much more preferable than finding a MMO you actually like.
I bought the base game for full price.Not sure where you get that from,but pretty sure there are some in the casual side that also paid 8 dollars for the base game.
My point still stands dude considering the vast majority of hard cores and PVP happily admit that they got the game at a deep discount and flat out refuse to pay anything else yet they whine incessantly about all their demands.
Sure you bought the game at full price....so did a lot of other people but the ones who are crying the loudest hasn't spent jack since the game went B2P.
Seriously the amount of garbage post on these forums makes me wish Zenimax would require either a subscription or monthly crown purchase for access. There are so many other things to discuss besides.....
"I want I want I want For Free!!!"
A lot of actual customers are tired of subsidizing dead weight, this isn't Venezuela.Edited by Rain_Greyraven on June 17, 2018 4:54PM"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.2 -
A_Silverius✭✭✭✭✭I think a good solution to this is to let overland enemies use more light and heavy attacks faster as well as use abilities more often forcing us to dodge, interrupt and block.All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!2 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭Tell your level 8 friend to stop wearing any quality gear greater then white and play like a real gamer. JkXbox One Na0 -
kichwas✭✭✭✭When you're leveling the engagement isn't meant to come from 'random wolf aggros you' but rather the quests, voice acting, and huge piles of lore they keep throwing at you.
If you're leveling by ignoring all the quests and engaging random wolves and cave bears out in the wilds... yeah it's going to be boring - you're ignoring most of the content that is designed for you...
If you're actually reading and listening to all the quests and it's still boring, then this is the wrong game for you.
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Jah bless
PST timezone - mostly PvE player.
Super casual player
Seeking a casual 'lets do some dungeons and world stuff together' guild.6 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭When you're leveling the engagement isn't meant to come from 'random wolf aggros you' but rather the quests, voice acting, and huge piles of lore they keep throwing at you.
If you're leveling by ignoring all the quests and engaging random wolves and cave bears out in the wilds... yeah it's going to be boring - you're ignoring most of the content that is designed for you...
If you're actually reading and listening to all the quests and it's still boring, then this is the wrong game for you.
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Yeah not getting why people who play like this just don't play BDO instead...I mean that is a grinder/Ganker paradise.....of course if their wireless 3G connection can't play ESO there is no way it's going to handle that or if they are console players only.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
Got to agree with this......
It appears that the biggest whiners on this forums are those that paid as little as 8 bucks for the base game and that's it. Seriously talk to the average PVPer or the super hard core rush to max level then raid player.....they mostly spend Jack and Sh**, but oh how they cry!
"I have a 3 G connection, I play wireless on Console and the game lags!!!" (*Gasp* Really?!!! It has to be the crappy game then!)
" ZoS has abandoned PVPers!!! (Never mind that myself and all my friends act like Griefing Aholes to everyone we play with and their's no more victims left)
"Why Can't everything be free NOW!!!!" (Forget that devlopers like to pay their mortgages and their electric bill)
On and on.....and those of us who have put a lot of time and money (Some of my guild mates regularly spend 50-60 bucks a month on average) into this game are frankly sick of it. You hate the game we got it, as Rich once said.....
"You know you don't have to be here right?"
Seriously, there are tons of f2p options, I don't get why crying on a forum is so much more preferable than finding a MMO you actually like.
@Rain_Greyraven, you don't suppose it's because all of the hardcore MMOs that went F2P are borderline unplayable now because, either, there's no surviving endgame community due to content droughts, or their PvP is dead because "griefing ***holes" ran off the potential playerbase, do you?1 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭If the game is so easy, how come people use the best gear, best weapons, best combos? Play naked and don't use the best. Is the game easy now? If not, the person gamed the game. He made it easy.
A person can make the game harder by not using the best stuff. People will then say why should they. So people who say that the game is too easy don't want a hard game they just want to make themselves cyber jocks thinking they are so great.
So to complain something is easy it's just people don't want to work the game since they take the best combos/gear/weapons.
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"3 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
Got to agree with this......
It appears that the biggest whiners on this forums are those that paid as little as 8 bucks for the base game and that's it. Seriously talk to the average PVPer or the super hard core rush to max level then raid player.....they mostly spend Jack and Sh**, but oh how they cry!
"I have a 3 G connection, I play wireless on Console and the game lags!!!" (*Gasp* Really?!!! It has to be the crappy game then!)
" ZoS has abandoned PVPers!!! (Never mind that myself and all my friends act like Griefing Aholes to everyone we play with and their's no more victims left)
"Why Can't everything be free NOW!!!!" (Forget that devlopers like to pay their mortgages and their electric bill)
On and on.....and those of us who have put a lot of time and money (Some of my guild mates regularly spend 50-60 bucks a month on average) into this game are frankly sick of it. You hate the game we got it, as Rich once said.....
"You know you don't have to be here right?"
Seriously, there are tons of f2p options, I don't get why crying on a forum is so much more preferable than finding a MMO you actually like.
@Rain_Greyraven, you don't suppose it's because all of the hardcore MMOs that went F2P are borderline unplayable now because, either, there's no surviving endgame community due to content droughts, or their PvP is dead because "griefing ***holes" ran off the potential playerbase, do you?
On the PVP side...yes I'll give you that...PVP is sociopathic in nature it's why EvE Online is also known as Sociopaths and spreadsheets.
But as far as Drought content lets look at Wildstar for example....which is a perfect example of what is happening to all hardcore raid or die games. If you look at the notes of Investor meetings NCsoft has pretty much said that endgame content slowed drastically because less than 1% of players in that game ever raided or even cared to.
Raiding isn't a viable way to keep the majority of customers happy, because you are developing for the elite minority on the backs of the masses....developers by and large chucked that model years ago. Only Brad McQuiad still thinks it's viable and Pantheon is struggling in it's development just like Vanguard did, despite the rosy picture Brad is painting.
The problem was and in some cases still is that devs thought PVP was a cheap easy way to make money, but when the PVPers run out of victims there is no one playing and PVPers hate to spend money.
The intelligent developers (And yes I will call Zenimax an intelligent developer because what they are doing works and is profitable) know that you have to provide the masses actual content and they eat up RPG PVE content and side games like crafting/harvesting, they also want to look good doing it without having to join 25 of their closest friends in Raids.
The industry has changed form it;s fledgling Wild West days....many of the old guard refuses to accept it, but disbelieving isn't going to change facts."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.2 -
nemvar✭✭✭✭✭I recently did a playthrough of the DC zones and the main quest with bad gear and without weaving on a stamwarden without having either the bear or a heal slotted.
I only died once to mobs and that was because I disconnected. What really kills any kind of tension in the main quest was how the "bosses" were often easier than the trash that came before them. Mannimarco was a complete joke. I would really appreciate if bosses had around 20% more health and everything would deal 5%-10% more damage.
It would still not offer challenge but at the very least the NPCs will be more likely to complete their voicelines before dying.Edited by nemvar on June 17, 2018 8:32PM1 -
flubber77✭✭✭✭i have to agree with OP. the pve lvl content are way to easy. i have lvl ip so many chars with and without cp and u can hit on worldbosses solo. i want the lvl back to release date. back to the time u did suffer when u it a npcgroup with 2 or more and they was like 5 or 10 lvl above u. u should struggle at the start of a game, u should ask for help if u cant kill etc not just surf through like nothing can get u.
back to the time when molag bal was a real beast to most of the players. today u can just light attack him a few times and he is dead. but anything for crybaybies who want to reach max lvl and end game before starting the damn game.Still a grudge, only to see false what u want and nothing less.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »
It takes development and you aren't willing to pay for it. You expect us to pay your way. That's not okay. You're entitled, selfish, you want everything your way, and you're not willing to pay a penny.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Let's see.We have even suggested increased level/vet instances,but some even seem to be against that.I won't deal with it due to fact that there is such a simple solution.
Evidence.
Got to agree with this......
It appears that the biggest whiners on this forums are those that paid as little as 8 bucks for the base game and that's it. Seriously talk to the average PVPer or the super hard core rush to max level then raid player.....they mostly spend Jack and Sh**, but oh how they cry!
"I have a 3 G connection, I play wireless on Console and the game lags!!!" (*Gasp* Really?!!! It has to be the crappy game then!)
" ZoS has abandoned PVPers!!! (Never mind that myself and all my friends act like Griefing Aholes to everyone we play with and their's no more victims left)
"Why Can't everything be free NOW!!!!" (Forget that devlopers like to pay their mortgages and their electric bill)
On and on.....and those of us who have put a lot of time and money (Some of my guild mates regularly spend 50-60 bucks a month on average) into this game are frankly sick of it. You hate the game we got it, as Rich once said.....
"You know you don't have to be here right?"
Seriously, there are tons of f2p options, I don't get why crying on a forum is so much more preferable than finding a MMO you actually like.
@Rain_Greyraven, you don't suppose it's because all of the hardcore MMOs that went F2P are borderline unplayable now because, either, there's no surviving endgame community due to content droughts, or their PvP is dead because "griefing ***holes" ran off the potential playerbase, do you?
On the PVP side...yes I'll give you that...PVP is sociopathic in nature it's why EvE Online is also known as Sociopaths and spreadsheets.
Never heard it called that before. A spreadsheet simulator, sure, but that's a new one.Rain_Greyraven wrote: »But as far as Drought content lets look at Wildstar for example....which is a perfect example of what is happening to all hardcore raid or die games. If you look at the notes of Investor meetings NCsoft has pretty much said that endgame content slowed drastically because less than 1% of players in that game ever raided or even cared to.
Raiding isn't a viable way to keep the majority of customers happy, because you are developing for the elite minority on the backs of the masses....developers by and large chucked that model years ago. Only Brad McQuiad still thinks it's viable and Pantheon is struggling in it's development just like Vanguard did, despite the rosy picture Brad is painting.
The problem was and in some cases still is that devs thought PVP was a cheap easy way to make money, but when the PVPers run out of victims there is no one playing and PVPers hate to spend money.
PvP is, sort of, a similar story to raiding in that regard. The last time I remember seeing someone quote hard number for their PvP population was Cryptic, where they pegged theirs at around 2%.
Also, I'm pulling from PSN rates, but only about 17% of ESO players ever even go into Cyrodiil and earn the first rank (which you get from the tutorial missions, or the first time you get a noticeable chunk of AP.) In fact, that number may be slightly skewed because the recent daily reward will award that trophy if you didn't already have it.Rain_Greyraven wrote: »The intelligent developers (And yes I will call Zenimax an intelligent developer because what they are doing works and is profitable) know that you have to provide the masses actual content and they eat up RPG PVE content and side games like crafting/harvesting, they also want to look good doing it without having to join 25 of their closest friends in Raids.
The industry has changed form it;s fledgling Wild West days....many of the old guard refuses to accept it, but disbelieving isn't going to change facts.
Yeah, pretty much.1 -
nemvar✭✭✭✭✭Unhappy with my previous comment. Will state my point in greater length at later timeEdited by nemvar on June 17, 2018 8:43PM0
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Kamatsu✭✭✭✭
I'd love to see ZOS do this, and then release the stats after 3 & 6 months as to how many players use the base difficulty setting and how many use the harder difficult setting. I think it would be quite interesting to see how usage of the difficulty settings went over a period of time, and see at what point would it's population stabilize at.compromise. selective difficulty for instanced content - only available with subscription. give it a trial run with the next story dlc, see how much it even gets used and if there is a demand and people ARE willing to pay for it? then it makes sense to add it to the rest of the content.
I do think that its not a bad idea to create more variety of challenge in content - as long as its optional, becasue all kinds of people at all kinds of skill levels - do in fact pay. ZoS wouldn't be making difficult hardmodes for dungeons if it wasn't financially viable.
as long as baseline difficulty remains as is - its not going to hurt those of us who prefer it. options are a good thing. so... DLC trial run. I'm sure ZoS has means to track how many people run what content at what difficulty. if they can implement crafting bag toggle built into the subscriber vs non subscriber accounts...I don't think it would be all that much more difficult to implement difficulty toggle. same code as what we get when zoning into group dungeons. activated on ESO plus enabled on account.
and then... we shall see.
Assuming ZOS could do this without sacrificing overall dev time for the DLC (assuming they want to make it a 'standard' size, maybe a smaller dlc could be done to trial the dual-difficulty system), and the server's could be made to actually manage such a feat... I would love to see them give this a try and see how it goes. Doing so would give something for those after a challenge, while leaving the base difficulty for the rest of us.o_O2 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭I suggest trying public dungeons. I found it helpful for getting my friends to start playing because they felt that delves were too short and a public dungeon is actually harder and longer in general. One quest with one sky shard and one skill point for completing the boss.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So I finally got my mate to play the game and he's complaining to me that it's too easy, lacks engagement and doesn't require skill. And it makes sense.
When your low level you have these obsurd stats which make it easy, and this combined with easy overland content. It can just be boring.
It's a real issue that all the good and challenging content in ESO is locked behind levels and requires you to be the 'best'. And there's barely anything for the new players to challenge themself (damn you One Tamriel). It's why we get new players but not many of them actually stay.
I mean come on ZOS, now vets AND newbies are complaining about how easy overland content is. Who's this content actually appealing to anymore?
**What do the forums think?**
My brother (who I was trying to get to play the game) quit because the landscape was too easy as well. So it's not just your friend.
I don't think One Tamriel is the problem though. They just need to add an optional veteran version of each zone (like they do with dungeons already). That way players who want a little more challenge can quest in those instead. Because as of now - World Bosses are really the only challenges left on the landscape that provide an interesting solo fight. And Dragons. Those are pretty tough. But most everything else is like swatting flies.1 -
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