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Guar and Dinosaurs

  • Iccotak
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    Notice the teeth in this picture. That is what herbivorous animals have. That is what the guar should have. Not massive Snake heads

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  • Thannazzar
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    Eso guar's lack the feral grace of bipedal jurassic predators. These same is true of Alits. Rather than dinosaurs I'd love something reptilian either bi or quadruped based that looks dangerous but without the low centre of gravity waddling gait of Guars and Karguti. A durzog for example.

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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    Guars belong in Tamriel.
    Dinasours belong in Pangaea.
    2 different worlds.....
    Case Closed... :)
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  • Iccotak
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    Guars belong in Tamriel.
    Dinasours belong in Pangaea.
    2 different worlds.....
    Case Closed... :)

    Actually Dinosaurs clearly exist in Elder Scrolls
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  • Cardthief
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    Iccotak wrote: »
    Guars belong in Tamriel.
    Dinasours belong in Pangaea.
    2 different worlds.....
    Case Closed... :)

    Actually Dinosaurs clearly exist in Elder Scrolls
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    Dinosaurs of Nirn that is, not Earth, they don't need to look more attune to Earth dinosaurs because they are not Earth creatures.
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  • Iccotak
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    Cardthief wrote: »
    Iccotak wrote: »
    Guars belong in Tamriel.
    Dinasours belong in Pangaea.
    2 different worlds.....
    Case Closed... :)

    Actually Dinosaurs clearly exist in Elder Scrolls
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    Dinosaurs of Nirn that is, not Earth, they don't need to look more attune to Earth dinosaurs because they are not Earth creatures.

    But when it comes to horses, wolves, bears and wild cats that's different right?
    I see your point and it's ok to take creative license with an existing dinosaur OR to use them as inspiration. BUT if you are going to make up an animal then take realism into account. The Guar are almost literally mouths with legs.
    They're herbivores but they have pointed teeth? Nothing that suggests it grounds up grass in it's mouth.
    Day time animals with slits for eyes? A huge mouth but seemingly no area for digestion?

    The Dinos that we saw in Clockwork at least makes sense. Even if they were mechanically modified.

    Hell even the Durzog make more biological sense than the Guar (and would be pretty awesome mounts)
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    Edited by Iccotak on June 17, 2018 3:37AM
  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    Guar, Kagouti, and Alits are all interesting and alien reptilian species. Their whole reason for appearing the way they do is to invoke a reaction to something strange and alien. Something abnormal and out of place for what we know.

    We have no need for earth like dinosaurs in a world where things did not evolve the way things evolved here.
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  • Chicharron
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    I am saving my subscription crowns for this guar.

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    come on ZOS, what are you waiting for?
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  • Bananko
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    What if this game's Guars met Guild Wars 2's Quaggans? :o
  • Iccotak
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    Guar, Kagouti, and Alits are all interesting and alien reptilian species. Their whole reason for appearing the way they do is to invoke a reaction to something strange and alien. Something abnormal and out of place for what we know.

    We have no need for earth like dinosaurs in a world where things did not evolve the way things evolved here.

    Again But when it comes to dogs, horses, wolves, bears and wild cats (or any of the normal looking animals like chickens, crocodiles, elk, crabs, spiders, Mammoths, etc) that's different right?
    Not saying to get rid of the Guars and related species to them.

    My point is that it's ok to take creative license with an existing dinosaur OR to use them as inspiration. BUT if you are going to make up an animal then take realism into account. The Guar are almost literally mouths with legs.
    They're herbivores but they have pointed teeth? Nothing that suggests it grounds up grass in it's mouth.
    Day time animals with slits for eyes? A huge mouth but seemingly no area for digestion?

    The Dinos that we saw in Clockwork at least makes sense. Even if they were mechanically modified.

    Look we know that there are fantastical creatures that still have necessary touches of realism at the same time.
    take the new salamander
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    The Durzog are strange and interesting. Four legged, six eyed reptiles. How do they live in Wrothgar? They adapted Feathers for warmth and insulation.

    What about the Wamasu?
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    Dragons in Skyrim are fantastical yet biology is still taken into account when designing them.

    When it comes to mounts we have 5 different species to pick from. We have 1 reptile/dinosaurian choice.
    There are other species in the game to choose from.

    Edited by Iccotak on June 17, 2018 4:22AM
  • SilentRaven1972
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    There are plenty of games out there with dinosaurs in them. From the way I see it, those fabricants are just a metal version of the clanfear. Please keep dinos out.
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  • Iccotak
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    There are plenty of games out there with dinosaurs in them. From the way I see it, those fabricants are just a metal version of the clanfear. Please keep dinos out.

    Except they aren't.
    The lore says that they are a species taken from nirn and modified, as all species in Clockwork City are.

    I'm not so shallow that because ESO doesn't have Dinos I won't play it.
    I am pointing out that there clearly are Dinosaurian creatures in the lore and rarely found in places in the game. They exist. end of story.
    Guar should not be the only option when it comes to dinosaurs and reptiles as mounts. AND we should have more realistic dinosaruian creatures in the general wild life.
    Like in a DLC.
    Edited by Iccotak on June 17, 2018 4:29AM
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Any lizard-like creature can be considered a dinosaur, and the world of ESO is filled with lizard-like creatures. Enjoy the variety of dinosaurs bud.
  • Caligamy_ESO
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    Play Ark instead? The dinosaur mounts there are pretty well done.
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  • AuldWolf
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    There are no dinosaurs. Tamriel didn't evolve the same way as Nirn. That's the reason why.

    Run a poll, see what people think. If there's enough interest (and enough money in it), then ZOS will find a lore reason. The issue is, though, that they'd have to come up with a lore reason to support it as right now I don't believe there are any. It's not like there's dinosauroid daedric mounts, even though there are bipedal daedra that look like dinosaurs. So perhaps that's a place to start? An oblivion spin on it.

    Don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen, though. ZOS is very beholden to the lore, which is a mandate from Bethesda.

    Edit: Also, realistic dinosaurs are feathered. We have soooo much evidence of that, now. There's fake news occasionally that tries to undo this, nostalgia and all, but if it's realistic dinosaurs we want then they'd have a lot of feathers.
     
    Edited by AuldWolf on June 17, 2018 5:58AM
  • Iccotak
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    Play Ark instead? The dinosaur mounts there are pretty well done.
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    So because ESO doesn't have realistic dinos currently, and I disapprove of the lack of realism concerning Guar, that automatically means I am going to play a different game?
    "Oh don't like that thing? Go play a different game then. Who cares that you are a player like everyone else that has invested time and money"
    :/
    It's not the end of the world if they don't do it. I'm just saying that they could do better.
    Daus wrote: »
    Any lizard-like creature can be considered a dinosaur, and the world of ESO is filled with lizard-like creatures. Enjoy the variety of dinosaurs bud.

    Yeah, and we could do better...Why is it wrong to point that out?

    Also Lizard-like does not automatically mean Dino. Dinos had feathers for starters
    AuldWolf wrote: »
    There are no dinosaurs. Tamriel didn't evolve the same way as Nirn. That's the reason why.

    There are Dinosaurs in Elder Scrolls. They exist. This has been stated on this thread multiple times. Even on the very first post. They are here.
    Also If Tamriel didn't evolve the same way then why are there horses? OR Bears, Wolves, Camels, Cats, Chickens, Crocodiles, Eagles, etc.
    Tamriel will either take an existing animal and does some creative license. Like giant wolves, a giant electric Komodo dragon, or walrus with three tusks.
    Or they make completely different species; like Guar and Echatere, which is cool. But the new creatures ESO makes today are far better in comparison to the ones that date back to Morrowind (2003) because they have the tech now to take realism into account when making a new animal.

    Guar and kagouti from Morrowind serve as something to feel completely alien. But they are not updated that well.
    At least this fan version of Guar makes sense. While still being strange.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming Murkmire DLC had some interesting Dinosaur like species
    AuldWolf wrote: »
    Edit: Also, realistic dinosaurs are feathered. We have soooo much evidence of that, now. There's fake news occasionally that tries to undo this, nostalgia and all, but if it's realistic dinosaurs we want then they'd have a lot of feathers.
     
    Yes, but if you are going to take inspiration from dinos or make something that resembles dinos then get ANATOMY right. Basic biological structure and adaptations.
    Edited by Iccotak on June 17, 2018 6:13AM
  • Soldier224
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    Iccotak wrote: »

    We need more than Guars. Guars are not enough. How about some dinos that have necks?

    Whaaaaaat?

    We need only Guars! And more Guars! And even more Guars!
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    Actually, evolution didn't happen in Mundas history.
    The Aedra and et'ada formed and created the races and basically all life on Nirn as they liked. So guar have always been guar, etc.
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  • SilverIce58
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    This whole thread reads as one of those "Blank is this, change my mind" memes tbh.

    Like, "Nirn need dinosaurs, change my mind"
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  • C4Bliss
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    I love guars, but I would also like to have a wamasu mount :smiley:
  • Gargath
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    Guars are adorable and harmless herbivore so the perfect mounts and all love them.
    You instead propose some ugly looking carnivores who aren't cute and as such would not be a good choice.
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  • Iccotak
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    Gargath wrote: »
    Guars are adorable and harmless herbivore so the perfect mounts and all love them.
    You instead propose some ugly looking carnivores who aren't cute and as such would not be a good choice.

    You are saying predator animals can't be cute? Tell that to bears and wolves, baby birds, owls, etc.
    You can make a beautiful predatory dinosaur, they aren't evil.

    I am not saying "Instead". I am saying more options.

    Literally in the OP I say
    NOTE:
    1. This is my opinion
    2. I am not suggesting replacing Guar. I know people like them
    3. I am not solely talking about mounts. I am talking about the variety of wild life in ESO in general.
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  • Iccotak
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    This whole thread reads as one of those "Blank is this, change my mind" memes tbh.

    Like, "Nirn need dinosaurs, change my mind"

    More like "The lore says there are dinosaurs, where are they and why is Guar the default? AND take realism into account when making up new animals"
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    OP has a damn good point about the same guar no matter where in the world you go. And yet there's all these different guar skins in the crown store. We SHOULD be seeing these skins across the world in the wild. No dinosaurs though, Star Trek Online did that and it was so amazingly stupid..
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    OP has a damn good point about the same guar no matter where in the world you go. And yet there's all these different guar skins in the crown store. We SHOULD be seeing these skins across the world in the wild. No dinosaurs though, Star Trek Online did that and it was so amazingly stupid..

    This isn't Star Trek online. And Dinosaurs already exist in Elder Scrolls lore. Question is where are they?

    But yes harkening back to an earlier point the Guar look the same no matter where you go Even Though the crown store has different skins based on location. Like the green spotted Tessellated Guar which would be great for Black Marsh.
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    Guars aren't dinosaurs. Neither are swamp leviathans. Dinosaurs have feathers.
    A proper dinosaur mount would look more like a Chocobo than a reptile.
    Which we absolutely should have, we need bird mounts.
    But for reptile mounts, we already have guars and kagoutis, which are both awesome.

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    Guars are sweet!

    Smack dat ass!
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    Actually, evolution didn't happen in Mundas history.
    The Aedra and et'ada formed and created the races and basically all life on Nirn as they liked. So guar have always been guar, etc.

    Evolution still is not happening. Nirn appears to be largely immune to that. :smile:

    But, I do want to reinforce that post above about theVerminous Clockwork fabricants. Those likely exist somewhere in Nirn. Based on why he created Clockwork City, Sotha Sil would not have put such a creature in his City if it did not exist outside of the City. We may yet see them in this game.
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  • Iccotak
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Guars aren't dinosaurs. Neither are swamp leviathans. Dinosaurs have feathers.
    A proper dinosaur mount would look more like a Chocobo than a reptile.
    Which we absolutely should have, we need bird mounts.
    But for reptile mounts, we already have guars and kagoutis, which are both awesome.

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    I know Dinosaurs are Birds. No where am I denying that.
    Although to be clear studies show that birds and reptiles are more related than we initially thought or would like to think.
    Many dinos didn't have the full feathers like we know them. Many had the basic feather spine structures covering them.

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    But Yes large bird mounts would be cool.
    AS LONG as they are more realistic anatomically speaking. If you are going to make up an animal then do a good job of it.

    There should be more options of more realistic dinosaur-esque mounts and variety in the wildlife.
    Guar and Kagouti being the standard is incredibly limiting.

    Again the creatures we met in CWC are clearly already existing creatures in Nirn that resemble dinosaurs. I have a feeling that we will see them later in their natural environment later down the line.
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