TBF, Overload is really easy to counter. You can use LoS to your advantage, roll dodge/block it. Not sure if they removed itt but you can reflect it with Wings/Defensive Stance too (I don't play DK nor I use s/b in PvP). Also it's pretty obvious when they are using Empower to try a one shot. Takes a few deaths to get used to it but once you do you will realize the skill is not OP, strong sure, but not OP.

If you're getting ganked that's not Overload's problem, NBs can one-shot you from stealth too.

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

TBF, Overload is really easy to counter. You can use LoS to your advantage, roll dodge/block it. Not sure if they removed itt but you can reflect it with Wings/Defensive Stance too (I don't play DK nor I use s/b in PvP). Also it's pretty obvious when they are using Empower to try a one shot. Takes a few deaths to get used to it but once you do you will realize the skill is not OP, strong sure, but not OP.

If you're getting ganked that's not Overload's problem, NBs can one-shot you from stealth too.

1. No NBs can’t. The dmg output isn’t the same
2. Even if they could, if the NB missed it couldn’t queue up another one to immediately try again.

A solo overload sorc running around is relatively easy to counter. The problem is when they’re inside small groups, or if they attack you while you’re already engaged with someone else.

The damage is too strong and too easily accessed with no significant cooldown.

OMFG i been wondering why Sorcs been hitting like crazy LOL omg i need to go level mine up ASAP so i can go run around and one shot people MUAHAHAHA this is gonna be great.... /sarcasm..

ANYWAY why does ZO$ do stupid stuff like this with out Thinking what is going Change one thing and its going to affect others. People complain about sloads stacking well how about 3 sorcs running over load just two shotting jesus

It's just funny because people are acting like overload is something new. The 40% empower is a joke. Overall overload damage is nothing to what I was dishing out a year ago when I could actually 1vX with 800 magic regen and pull 20k+ -non- empowered consistent numbers.


I have to struggle to get decent usage with it in an outnumbered fight. And I'm one of the few sorcs that have actually USED this ultimate on a consistent enough basis over the years to know how the kinks of it. If your basis to overload being OP is you getting Xv1'd by it, cry me a river. Come back with some actual constructive assessment of sorcs suddenly taking over Cyrodiil by storm like all these rampant bleed builds running around at double movement speed without a care in the world.


Actually -using- overload is so unbelievably frustrating, that for every high burst I can pull off with it, by the end of the hour I want to pull my damn hair out painfully because its so clunky it frustrates me more then the person I'm hitting it with. None of you even use the skill.


It's easy to prove me wrong. Anyone who refutes, go level your sorc and show me how it's done

Overload has always been affected by empower and Elegance. They buffed empower from 20% on any attack (including light attacks), to 40% on light attacks only. That's why empower is more powerful on it now. Thankfully they made Elemental Weapons incompatible with Overload on the PTS, or it'd be even worse.

I've said this before, it's a risk-reward scenario. It's a really powerful attack, but it's a travel-time, reflectable, telegraphed, dodgeable, absorbable, blockable spell projectile where the use is locked to a single bar while it's active. And the heavy attack is only ever useful if you're trollplaying as a Sith.

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

It's just funny because people are acting like overload is something new. The 40% empower is a joke. Overall overload damage is nothing to what I was dishing out a year ago when I could actually 1vX with 800 magic regen and pull 20k+ -non- empowered consistent numbers.


I have to struggle to get decent usage with it in an outnumbered fight. And I'm one of the few sorcs that have actually USED this ultimate on a consistent enough basis over the years to know how the kinks of it. If your basis to overload being OP is you getting Xv1'd by it, cry me a river. Come back with some actual constructive assessment of sorcs suddenly taking over Cyrodiil by storm like all these rampant bleed builds running around at double movement speed without a care in the world.


Actually -using- overload is so unbelievably frustrating, that for every high burst I can pull off with it, by the end of the hour I want to pull my damn hair out painfully because its so clunky it frustrates me more then the person I'm hitting it with. None of you cry babies never even use the skill.


It's easy to prove me wrong. Anyone who refutes, go level your sorc and show me how it's done

Ill show you how it’s done! This guy did it.

I miss when frags could stun. But yeah you can still hit big numbers like that, it takes empower, bound arms slotted, and elegance.

https://youtu.be/nWvNMktdTOo

It's even more funny, because I release my build, showcasing how I 1vX with overload. Would expect a wave of meta rerollers to run it if it were so OP and easy. All I saw afterwards was a few dare-devils trying to do what I do, and failing. Then never seeing them again.

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Overload has always been affected by empower and Elegance. They buffed empower from 20% on any attack (including light attacks), to 40% on light attacks only. That's why empower is more powerful on it now. Thankfully they made Elemental Weapons incompatible with Overload on the PTS, or it'd be even worse.

I've said this before, it's a risk-reward scenario. It's a really powerful attack, but it's a travel-time, reflectable, telegraphed, dodgeable, absorbable, blockable spell projectile where the use is locked to a single bar while it's active. And the heavy attack is only ever useful if you're trollplaying as a Sith.

It’s not just the empower change. It’s also the fact that light attacks now scale more directly off of max Magicka than they did before, which allows the max mag builds to now run high burst overload builds where before they were unable to.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

A solo overload sorc running around is relatively easy to counter.

If we are balancing this game over getting Xv1'd woes, I can write a novel about all the Stamtard crap I gotta deal with everyday.

Overload should be a very serious issue, running into one in a group. Just like how I should expect to absolutely melt on any mag build I play from running into a "small group" where one singular bleed build is 100% death sentence on me. At least overload users do not snare me to a crawl.

the damage between those two specs are not even close. Of all the Stam comparables, you chose a bleed build? Over dizzy/DBoS/reverse slice (which is the closest comparable in terms of counterability)??

You’ve discredited yourself.

The damage between the two specs is a strawman argument erected by yourself. I'm talking about actual functionality. Bleed damage is actually 100% uptime on you. Overload can be dodged, passively dodged, reflected, shimmering shielded, missed, cloaked, blocked, mitigated with crit resist, mitigated with spell resist, mitigated with damage shields, mitigated by rooting the user and moving slightly to the left forcing the overloader's toon to have to direction-ally face their target.


Bleed, you can just pop an immov speed pot, apply like 3 different snares them pop vigor and brainlessly dps.


Reroll your stam sorc to magsorc and make a 1vX video with overload. Like wtf do I know what I'm talking about, im like the only sorc that still consistently plays that has ever made genuine 1vX footage out of overload, outside of literally every other cookie cutter magsorc that ran a typical destro staff build. The only other overload vids you find are click-baits like Blobs who just invis gank with it.

WTF do I know what I'm talking about. Go prove me wrong since you are so convinced overload is so easy mode. PROVE IT LOL. I challenge you and everyone else to go show me how easy it is, everyone in this thread talking out of their guar hole.

Umm you made the comparison, not me. It is a ridiculous comparison.. which is why I said what I said? You’re not presenting a very clear point and you’re referencing overload as it existed a year ago...

Your bias is showing btw.

But yes, I am dusting my mag sorc off, in large part because of the status effect meta that’s dominating the game and making Stam without a purify or cloak unplayable. I’ll try to record some footage but plenty already exists.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Overload has always been affected by empower and Elegance. They buffed empower from 20% on any attack (including light attacks), to 40% on light attacks only. That's why empower is more powerful on it now. Thankfully they made Elemental Weapons incompatible with Overload on the PTS, or it'd be even worse.

I've said this before, it's a risk-reward scenario. It's a really powerful attack, but it's a travel-time, reflectable, telegraphed, dodgeable, absorbable, blockable spell projectile where the use is locked to a single bar while it's active. And the heavy attack is only ever useful if you're trollplaying as a Sith.

It’s not just the empower change. It’s also the fact that light attacks now scale more directly off of max Magicka than they did before, which allows the max mag builds to now run high burst overload builds where before they were unable to.

Not true at all, you obviously would believe this because I know most of the toons you play, and have never seen you use overload, or play a magbuild period(correct me here if im wrong)


Overload light attacks are independent to 2h/1h/whatever weapon you want to use. As evidenced by my Morrowind build video, Overload is calculated like -every- other -magic- skill in terms of the spell dmg : magic pool ratio. Overload is weird in that it then gets buffed by elegance due to the underlining coded mechanics of its operation(you press the light attack button and it shoots) thus gets classified as a "light attack" for elegance to buff. But it is not a light attack. It's an actual ability.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was trying to say, or if you're just misinformed... the light attack damage calculation for all weapon types was changed. The ratio of max resource to wep/spell damage was changed.. more of an emphasis was put on max resource than existed before.

There are plenty of posts on this available, i would recommend you check the PTS boards.

Also, i have spent a significant amount of time on mag sorc, just not recently. I retired the guy when they took the knockdown off of frags, but with these light attack changes I'm in the process of regearing him for action.

Thogard wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Overload has always been affected by empower and Elegance. They buffed empower from 20% on any attack (including light attacks), to 40% on light attacks only. That's why empower is more powerful on it now. Thankfully they made Elemental Weapons incompatible with Overload on the PTS, or it'd be even worse.

I've said this before, it's a risk-reward scenario. It's a really powerful attack, but it's a travel-time, reflectable, telegraphed, dodgeable, absorbable, blockable spell projectile where the use is locked to a single bar while it's active. And the heavy attack is only ever useful if you're trollplaying as a Sith.

It’s not just the empower change. It’s also the fact that light attacks now scale more directly off of max Magicka than they did before, which allows the max mag builds to now run high burst overload builds where before they were unable to.

Not true at all, you obviously would believe this because I know most of the toons you play, and have never seen you use overload, or play a magbuild period(correct me here if im wrong)


Overload light attacks are independent to 2h/1h/whatever weapon you want to use. As evidenced by my Morrowind build video, Overload is calculated like -every- other -magic- skill in terms of the spell dmg : magic pool ratio. Overload is weird in that it then gets buffed by elegance due to the underlining coded mechanics of its operation(you press the light attack button and it shoots) thus gets classified as a "light attack" for elegance to buff. But it is not a light attack. It's an actual ability.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was trying to say, or if you're just misinformed... the light attack damage calculation for all weapon types was changed. The ratio of max resource to wep/spell damage was changed.. more of an emphasis was put on max resource than existed before.

There are plenty of posts on this available, i would recommend you check the PTS boards.

Also, i have spent a significant amount of time on mag sorc, just not recently. I retired the guy when they took the knockdown off of frags, but with these light attack changes I'm in the process of regearing him for action.

I understood exactly the misinformation you were spreading. Overload does not follow the same rules "light attack" do. Overload gets buffed the same as every other magic ability. It does not follow whatever old or new algorithm "light attacks" follow. The only thing it shares is elegance buff and empower. That is all. Overload is literally -THE SAME- as it has always been, except now you can get an extra 1k or 2k worth of damage after mitigations are calculated, thanks to 20% extra empower!

Thogard wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Overload has always been affected by empower and Elegance. They buffed empower from 20% on any attack (including light attacks), to 40% on light attacks only. That's why empower is more powerful on it now. Thankfully they made Elemental Weapons incompatible with Overload on the PTS, or it'd be even worse.

I've said this before, it's a risk-reward scenario. It's a really powerful attack, but it's a travel-time, reflectable, telegraphed, dodgeable, absorbable, blockable spell projectile where the use is locked to a single bar while it's active. And the heavy attack is only ever useful if you're trollplaying as a Sith.

It’s not just the empower change. It’s also the fact that light attacks now scale more directly off of max Magicka than they did before, which allows the max mag builds to now run high burst overload builds where before they were unable to.

Not true at all, you obviously would believe this because I know most of the toons you play, and have never seen you use overload, or play a magbuild period(correct me here if im wrong)


Overload light attacks are independent to 2h/1h/whatever weapon you want to use. As evidenced by my Morrowind build video, Overload is calculated like -every- other -magic- skill in terms of the spell dmg : magic pool ratio. Overload is weird in that it then gets buffed by elegance due to the underlining coded mechanics of its operation(you press the light attack button and it shoots) thus gets classified as a "light attack" for elegance to buff. But it is not a light attack. It's an actual ability.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I was trying to say, or if you're just misinformed... the light attack damage calculation for all weapon types was changed. The ratio of max resource to wep/spell damage was changed.. more of an emphasis was put on max resource than existed before.

There are plenty of posts on this available, i would recommend you check the PTS boards.

Also, i have spent a significant amount of time on mag sorc, just not recently. I retired the guy when they took the knockdown off of frags, but with these light attack changes I'm in the process of regearing him for action.

I understood exactly the misinformation you were spreading. Overload does not follow the same rules "light attack" do. Overload gets buffed the same as every other magic ability. It does not follow whatever old or new algorithm "light attacks" follow. The only thing it shares is elegance buff and empower. That is all. Overload is literally -THE SAME- as it has always been, except now you can get an extra 1k or 2k worth of damage after mitigations are calculated, thanks to 20% extra empower!

Interesting - that is news to me. So you're saying that overload light attacks do not scale off of the base light attack damage formula, but rather that it has its own, independent damage calculation, that was not affected by the changes to the light attack damage calculations?

That seems unlikely but I have not personally tested it. Do you have anything to back up your claim?

You seem to know who i am but i don't know who you are. I won't be on stamden for a while though. the BG MMR system has ruined him for me.

Considering my overload tooltip compared between my morrowind build video, and rn with identical gear is pretty much the same, then that gives empirical observation that Overload is buffed the same as every other magic skill in the sorc's tooltip. My overload build has always been focused on maximum magic pool vs Spell damage, and pretty much anyone who has been hit by my overloads over the years can attest to that.







If the information you gave was fact, then those records should never have been possible with my stats. 50k magic and 3k spell damage fully buffed. And by records, I don't mean these are stretches. I mean this is all I bothered screenshotting because after awhile it was just lol. My consistent overloads at the time against heavy armor properly built stam pvpers with 3k crit resist were consistent for 12k - 15k.


That is because Overload follows the same buffs all ultimates follow. Same thing with Dawnbreaker, EVERY ult. Your ultimate is equally calculated by your max resource pool, and overload is no different. On my DW build I can get a dawnbreaker tooltip just shy of a 5k weap dmg stam build, by just re-adjusting my CP into mighty, and I could do it with 60k magic and spell dmg just shy of 3k.




Overload is an ultimate ability that follow all the same rules all ultimates do, ever since ZOS stream-lined it all. It's mathematically possible to get an absurd onslaught tool-tip as an example, by stacking 50k health. Overload is not a staff light attack, it is an actual ultimate ability.

Thogard wrote: »

You seem to know who i am but i don't know who you are. I won't be on stamden for a while though. the BG MMR system has ruined him for me.

I don't know you, but I know of you same as I respect most other small-scalers. You've probably seen me around watching you try to get some 1vXs off in a meta where it is more painful then ever.

Thogard wrote: »

Well I learned something new today, good to know.

So if the base damage of overload didn't change, only the empower modifier, what's with all the overload sorcs running around? What else changed that has made them so prevalent?

I don't know where you play mostly, but I barely ever run into Overload sorcs anymore, and when I do see one they're doing some ganky cheese that's so easy to counter it's pathetic.

P.S. this was 2016, almost to the day. Overload spamming was definitely a thing even then.