If you are looking for a bargain then you are "taking advantage."

Hallothiel · June 2018

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

And for those who think the officers behaviour was acceptable - really?!

And those who go afk while in conversation, without telling his dialog partner, that is ok? Really?

Right at that moment, where the officer gives him the oppurtunity to settle things down ?

Really???

Well there can be situations where something happens in the real world and you have to deal with that without taking the time to text about it as it is actually real and therefore slightly more important than something in a game.

SugaComa · June 2018

Guild traders would hate me ..
I sell all sorts for stupid amounts ...

Someone wanted a necklace ... Can't remember which one but market value was 40k to 50k.

My price ... "Get naked n box me"

I laughed so hard at the sight of two toons fighting out just in there skivvies it was well worth it

He got his necklace I hit a laugh ... Fair trade in my eyes

This is why I'm poor and constantly get kicked from trade guilds

Edit:Serious fat fingers syndrome aka bad spelling

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2018

A lot of these "random" people talking about how the officer was doing nothing wrong sound a little like the people involved

Just waiting for one to say "hun" haha.

SugaComa · June 2018

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

A lot of these "random" people talking about how the officer was doing nothing wrong sound a little like the people involved Just waiting for one to say "hun" haha.

Listen Hun .. stop refering to us as "random" people we're forum members dufus

Kalgert · June 2018

Hallothiel wrote: »

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

And for those who think the officers behaviour was acceptable - really?!

And those who go afk while in conversation, without telling his dialog partner, that is ok? Really?

Right at that moment, where the officer gives him the oppurtunity to settle things down ?

Really???

Well there can be situations where something happens in the real world and you have to deal with that without taking the time to text about it as it is actually real and therefore slightly more important than something in a game.

Could also be said that sometimes a dialog partner isn't worth notifying that you're going afk.

But that's just me.

Raraaku · June 2018

I see issues stemming from both parties and can understand the irritation from both sides. However the thing that sticks out to me was that this all started over a meager 2k difference. If they had sold you a 50k motif for 25k then I could see such an argument playing out. It's the seller responsibility to check prices before following through on a sale. I imagine most trade guilds have their members sell their wares to others at below market price, at least the ones I am do; particularly lower tier crafting mats that are already refined. However, I don't know that particular guild's policies or rules.

I do see several breakdowns in the communications posted that I think lead to the escalation of the issue, between both parties. The rhetoric seems rather passive aggressive on both sides, particularly the first two lines of the conversation where the term hon is used. Both parties continued to use passive aggressive rhetoric such as "sorry love, I can't let that happen" as well as "You're not 'letting anything happen.'", and saying "so obviously...". Those lines stood out to me. So in my opinion, both parties stirred the pot for each other.

It also seems like there was already some underlying tension before this conversation happened which probably further exacerbated what initially seems like a small issue. I also think posting this to the forums will only do more harm than good and I would not be surprised if this thread is eventually closed by moderation.

Those are just my thoughts on the situation, do with them as you will.

Nightfall12 · June 2018

The part that stands out to me is you were asked not to do this the day prior, yet you repeated the behavior.

If its a trading guild, they want those transactions in the the the guild store so the guild gets some benefit from it. By doing it COD it looks like you are basically harvesting mass amounts to turn and sell at a profit, and where you are saying you are in 5 trade guilds already, you may very well be selling outside that guild. So i can see why this would raise ire, I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but that is a reasonable conclusion that can be drawn.

Personally when i see these mass global requests for mats at reduced prices, I assume these are resellers that are undercutting. This tactic annoys me because i know there are people out there that don't know the value of what they have and this is a parasitic behavior. So i ignore them, i learned long ago turning off zone chat makes the game more enjoyable.

I personally have no problem selling way low to people i know plan to use mats.

Malacthulhu · June 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Asking for items in a guild let alone a trade guild below average price is a red flag. People are in trade guilds to make gold not haggle in guild chat. Everything else, from a dispute to being kicked is irrelevant especially when you already have several trade guilds

I thought this was the norm too but I've encountered several guilds where it's actually encouraged to "keep it in the family" so to speak. Purely anecdotal but this seems to happen more often with the sort of guild that isn't out to compete at the highest trader level but rather to provide a way for their members to trade casually.

You can zone chat for cheaper mats. People rip people off everyday doing it, acting like they are doing noobs a favour by getting it off their hands quicker.

Skayaq · June 2018

You did nothing wrong, no one forced other people to sell to you for that price, though most trade guilds I see advertise have rules about buying and selling in gchat.

on another note, anyone who have to demand respect probably doesn't deserve any.

Saturnana · June 2018

Crapgame wrote: »

[...] Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it bad form, but most trading guilds I've been apart of did have the rule of not selling in guild chat. Mainly because sales made directly between people in chat don't benefit the guild in any way (sales through their guild store bring in sales tax etc). I suppose this is slightly different, as you're buying instead of selling, and any item listed at the trader specifically for you to buy could be snatched up by anyone.. In the few cases I've seen people wanting to buy in guild chat, though, they weren't looking to buy for a specific price but rather just looking for certain goods.

When selling, I'd say go through the guild trader if they have one. (If not, selling/trading in chat should be okay)
When buying, maybe just ask in chat if someone's selling the thing you're after.. and then negotiate price privately?

exiars10 · June 2018

I am member of one the biggest trade guilds.

NO WTT/WTB/WTS IN CHAT.

This is the first sentence on Guild's MotD. You do that and get kicked.
Asking for MM price is legit, people do it and even guild master posts his results often.
Undercutting in guild store? Nobody cares.

Crapgame · June 2018

Sorry I was AFK there overnight.

For clarification: This guild had no restrictions regarding selling in guild chat. In fact, I asked in GC because I saw others doing it.

The price I was asking was not unreasonable. As you can see here, there are plenty of sales going off at 10g.

A player who asks for Ebonthread one day and then asks for Kresh the next day is probably crafting and NOT trying to somehow buy stuff for reselling. Should also be mentioned that these are the only 2 items I had ever asked to buy in GC.

Also, worth noting that there was no available Kresh in the guild store or I would have bought it there. It is reasonable to assume that guild members are using their slots to sell the bigger ticket items and probably have these lower level items laying around that they'd be happy to sell. Which worked just fine in the other 4 guilds.

Malacthulhu · June 2018

Crapgame wrote: »

Sorry I was AFK there overnight.

For clarification: This guild had no restrictions regarding selling in guild chat. In fact, I asked in GC because I saw others doing it.

The price I was asking was not unreasonable. As you can see here, there are plenty of sales going off at 10g.

A player who asks for Ebonthread one day and then asks for Kresh the next day is probably crafting and NOT trying to somehow buy stuff for reselling. Should also be mentioned that these are the only 2 items I had ever asked to buy in GC.

Also, worth noting that there was no available Kresh in the guild store or I would have bought it there. It is reasonable to assume that guild members are using their slots to sell the bigger ticket items and probably have these lower level items laying around that they'd be happy to sell. Which worked just fine in the other 4 guilds.

They may consider it common knowledge regardless if they had the rule in writing.

Mahabahabtha · June 2018

Crapgame wrote: »

Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates?

Yes

klowdy1 · June 2018

Slick_007 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.

yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.

The request was made based off of average prices centered around all GTs in tamriel. The traders may not have been used, but the system was.

Cryptical · June 2018

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

Crapgame wrote: »

Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates?

Yes

It is considered bad form in some places to treat guild mates as if they were random people off the street by charging full markup.

Hammy01 · June 2018

On PC what you describe should not be be an issue as everyone has access to add-ons that help with pricing thus everyone should know if they are about to sell for a lower than market value.

However on consoles this is a big issue because we don't have add-ons and it is very easy to rip people off and there are plenty of people that will take full advantage of this fact. So on consoles I am very happy to have guild officers and members watching out for the less educated players.

EvilCroc · June 2018

What is the trading guild that allows people to WTS/WTB in guild chat?
Guild should forbid WTB/WTS to force people using guild trader.

Hammy01 · June 2018

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Asking for items in a guild let alone a trade guild below average price is a red flag. People are in trade guilds to make gold not haggle in guild chat. Everything else, from a dispute to being kicked is irrelevant especially when you already have several trade guilds

Not sure how it is on PC but most trade guilds on Xbox Eu that I have been in have rules against selling / buying in guild chat. Although the rules are really in place to ensure people use the guild trader so that the guild gets its cut for everything sold.

SkillzMFG · June 2018

'You're speaking to an officer show some respect' LMFAO

Aluneth · June 2018

SugaComa wrote: »

Guild traders would hate me ..
I sell all sorts for stupid amounts ...

Someone wanted a necklace ... Can't remember which one but market value was 40k to 50k.

My price ... "Get naked n box me"

I laughed so hard at the sight of two toons fighting out just in there skivvies it was well worth it

He got his necklace I hit a laugh ... Fair trade in my eyes

This is why I'm poor and constantly get kicked from trade guilds

Edit:Serious fat fingers syndrome aka bad spelling

There is no monetary price for that kind of awesome.

WillS1888 · June 2018

He was probably just jealous. I would have given you stacks of ebonfiber and kresh fiber for free considering i have way to much to begin with.

clocksstoppe · June 2018

Any trading guild that respects itself has a strict "no WTB/WTS in guild chat". That being said you were in a trash guild and like everywhere else in life, you get what you pay for buddy.

Also what do you expect, you're lowballing people. Of course someone else is likely to call you out on it, regardless of "muh officer" or not. I always call out lowballers to protect others.

DieAlteHexe · June 2018

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Asking for items in a guild let alone a trade guild below average price is a red flag. People are in trade guilds to make gold not haggle in guild chat. Everything else, from a dispute to being kicked is irrelevant especially when you already have several trade guilds

I thought this was the norm too but I've encountered several guilds where it's actually encouraged to "keep it in the family" so to speak. Purely anecdotal but this seems to happen more often with the sort of guild that isn't out to compete at the highest trader level but rather to provide a way for their members to trade casually.

You can zone chat for cheaper mats. People rip people off everyday doing it, acting like they are doing noobs a favour by getting it off their hands quicker.

I'm sure that you could but these folk apparently choose not to. Then again, they are in guilds where this practise is common and they're not all about ripping one and other off. It could also be said they are lazy or just don't want to sell via zone chat.

Beardimus · June 2018

Curious what platform / region you are OP.

As honestly the NA crowd, in particular PC seem to have alot of 'rules' within trading guilds that Xbox EU don't have. Including charging for membership etc

Maybe MMO community is more established in PC land I guess

DragonRacer · June 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Horowonnoe wrote: »

ErinGoBrag520 wrote: »

All the passive aggressive "loves" and "huns" alone would have me out of there!

Same! I hate it when people I am not good friends with or close do that to me. I am not your "love" hun from zone chat.You're drunk. Go home.

It's an English thing - people in England say 'hun' and 'luv' a lot.

I also say hunny, but that's a Southern thing.

9/10 of the time, people are being friendly.

It's the same as being offended if someone says Merry Christmas to me, when I am not a Christian and don't do Christmas.

They are trying to be nice, so I say thank you!

Um, it's kind of a hard thing to tell, especially in a text-based situation.

I am from the south in the U.S.. I will occasionally use "hun", "hunny", or "sweetie" with a good friend or with a casual stranger like if I'm talking with a very older gentleman who could basically be considered "grandpa"), but it can VERY easily switch between being genuinely nice or being passive-aggressive. Same with "bless your heart"... yes, sometimes it is used genuinely, but a lot of times it is used in a very passive-aggressive manner.

It can be hard to tell in person hearing it. Almost impossible to tell via text. From the way the OP's conversation was framed, I read it as used passively-aggressively. Especially when it kept being used after it was clear the officer was getting perturbed.

ssewallb14_ESO · June 2018

Buying significantly below market is going to attract mostly people who are new, and don't know market values or have market addons. This is dishonest, regardless of how you try to moralize it. It's the main reason why many guilds disallow selling in chat.

Should they have kicked you? A guild is effectively private property in ESO. They can kick you for literally any reason they want. You can find a guild that will let you buy low in chat, or start your own.

Kelces · June 2018

Raideen wrote: »

Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.

I have seen similar things go down in trade guilds I have been in. Some serious abuse of power because the GL or officer took issue with another player and in every case I witnessed the player did nothing wrong. It was a misunderstanding on the GL or officers part.

Its amazing that someone can play the game for 2 months, get in a trade guild and witness this kind of behavior that ZOS apparently thinks is ok, and nothing is done about it.

Who else to blaim than the people, who turn it into this? Who creates monopolys, the programmers or players? The answer should be obvious. And no, "incentivizing" or "encuraging" doesn't count as an argument to blaiming developers. Free will, remember you have it?

Kelces · June 2018

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Lady_of_Tamarah · June 2018

Being a Brit I can tell you that most strangers would not take kindly to being called "hun" nowadays

Yes at one time it was used all the time when talking to others but now broadly speaking
it is unacceptable or even slightly condescending to use that term along with "love" or "darling"

I think to make a special effort to type that was a way of being patronising !

Another thing is why call guild leaders officers anyway ? Rather allows a person to get above themselves
if they are of that nature!