I don't think it's wrong to ask and state what you're wanting to pay, but it's a little dependant on what you're buying. You wanted lower tier mats to level. If you'd have asked in my guild chat, I'd have sold to you at that price. I'm sitting on THOUSANDS of those mats; I don't mind selling them cheap to help someone out, plus, as a private sale, it doesn't affect any averages.

I also don't believe this is "taking advantage". Everyone it that guild had access to the same sales information as you. If your price was unacceptable, they don't have to sell.

If you were buying to resell, then yes, this was a *** move. If you're buying to resell, you should be upfront about that. It just isn't cool to try and hustle an item on the cheap from your guildmates so you can make a quick buck.

Good luck in finding a guild better suited to you, OP!

wait. they tried to make you play by everyone elses pricing...?
do they not know how capitalism and economies work?
if people willingly took your offer, thats their choice, even if its ripoff they could have questioned it, yeah going half the buying price is kinda meh, i mean if it was 20 gold each and you offered 11, i'd see it as fine but making sure its half just seems kind of duffy but again, economy and capitalism.

sounds like the "officers" were following that MM addon as law and not a guideline.

Hmmmm... I'm torn.

On the one hand those people looked like passive aggressive lunatics so you're better off without them. On the other, I can understand why trade guilds would have this as a policy since the point in trade guilds is generally to make money.

There's a reason I'm in 3 trade guilds but have gchat turned off on all of them. I use them for the guild store and then have a real guild I actually socialize in. In my real guild, that's where I post things like you, OP--asking if anyone has some of X mat. Lots of times people send each other mats for free or cheap because it's a friendly social community and not a hive of power hungry people with superiority complexes lol.

I'm not one of those that's rabidly against the guild trader system but have most definitely noticed many trade guild officers have a massive power trip going on. Example, a friend just told me she was not allowed to rejoin a trade guild because she went on vacation and went inactive in it 6 months ago--yet she made millions while she was actually active. They also had a 7 day activity policy so it's not like they had dead weight forever. Who has the time to micromanage like that?

My advice would be to just use trade guilds for their vendors, fly under their radar and find a "real" guild elsewhere but YMMV.

kts wrote: »

'you're speaking to an officer. Show some respect"

That made me guffaw!!! What respect have they achieved lol

I have heard things about major Trade Guilds having some sort of "No Undercutting" rule, but if both parties agree with the transaction then there shouldn't be any fuss over it. Just sounds like the "Officers" going mad with power and abusing their status.

The way he/she said to show some respect because you talk to an officer LOL who do they think they are.
If you are allowed to buy and sell in guildchat then you did nothing wrong IMO. These are just pathetic people who can pretend to be king of the world because they lead a guild. There are really nice guilds with actual cool people. I am in such nice guilds where the guild leaders would never be so arrogant, but the rule is not to trade in guildchat. Which make sense because that is what the guildstore is for.

Hihihi I'm still laughing of how they talked to you, hahahaha so sad.

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

I think, you are totally wrong and the Officer does right to kick you !

An Officer must look, like a Mod here, that every member of the Guild feel comfartable with his Guild.
So you asked for bargains in Guild-Chat. As I can say, there are a lot of People running around WITHOUT Add-Ons like MM or TTC. Think alone about new Players, without Add-Ons, New to a guild, new to Ingame Economics and someone in Guild Chat is asking for Materials, maybe in some whiny form...
This New Players will be grateful to help, not knowing that you, whith all your Add-Ons and enough Money, are just want to make a bargain.
And if they find out, sooner or later, they think "Uhm, these Guys in this guild, they cheated me...I think I leave"....


Thats why i like my Guilds, NO WTT,WTB,WTS in Chat !!!

lol

I guess thats, like, your opinion man.

The ironic thing is that you didn't need those mats to level up your crafting. Just deconstruct everything.

Go into your guild's banks and take anything that isn't white. You will level up much faster. Or do a bunch of random normals and deconstruct everything.

Crapgame wrote: »

I belong(ed) to 5 trading guilds since I usually play solo I only need a guild so I can sell my wares.

I've been leveling my crafting so I need bunches of materials. I started yesterday and needed Ebonthread. TTC showed it for 12 on the low end so I asked my guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. Many people sent me stacks at that price (10 each).

Today, I've moved onto Kresh fiber and again the low end was 12-15, however the average was 22. I asked the same guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. I had a few takers and bought 550 at 10g each.

It is all good up to that point. Then I saw messages in guildchat.

This is the conversation that followed from there:

• Guild member: Um, sorry hon, but the TTC for Kresh Fibre is double that. TTC Price for [Kresh Fiber] : Suggested : 21 ~ 26 [Avg 44.41/Min 4/Max 14,153.33] (206 listings/18,940 items) So a stack would be 4k.
• Me: People do sell below MM price. I just received 550 units @10. So there is that, hon.
• Guild member: Good for you, but please don't try to rip off your fellow guildmates by asking for mats below market value. It's kinda rude.
• Guild member: If you negotiate a lower price, of course, that's totally fine. But asking for it outright... yeah, sorry, love, but I can't let that happen. Sorry.
• Me: People with extra mats and all slots full will accept a lower price. I'm not twisting anyones arm. You're not "letting anything happen." If they don't want to sell, they won't.
• Me: I only asked one time and got more than enough so obviously people think that is fair enough
• Guild member: you are speaking to an officer. Show some respect. This is your second warning, because I know that you did this yesterday and another officer told you not to. This is not "one time" this is the second. Don't ask for items under market value and don't be an arsehole when we let you know what the market value is, on the of chance it was a genuine mistake.
• (I went AFK here.)
• Guild member: Well?
• Guild member: Answer me.
• Guild member: Very well.
• Guild member #2: bye.
• (I return and find I've been kicked from the guild.)
• Tell to guild member: I had to go afk. I have no hard feelings about any of this. You're an officer so you are allowed to do what you'd like. In many guilds, people will freely trade things below fair value as that is one of the major benefits to a trading guild. Each member is entitled to sell his wares at whatever price suits them. For instance, I had asked to buy some ebonthread @10 and instead someone sent me 100 units for 0. That was their decision. I was only offering a price.
• r/ from Guild member: Yeah, I wasn't the one who kicked you. I was busy sending out guild mail at the time, which I would have had to start all over again if I exited the mail ui and entered the guild ui, and given the fact MailR tends to take a full half hour to send otu mail, I wsn't going to do it. It was another officer who kicked you.
• r/ to guild member: Also, I was never "warned" of anything. Someone just mentioned that the price was below market and we left it at that. It doesn't matter who kicked me. As I said, no hard feelings.
• r/ from Guild member: I relly, truly hope there aren't, and I hope you can find a good home trade guild, but... well, I'm sorry; but we can't allow such drastic undercutting. I mean, like I said, if you negotiate it between yourselves that's a different issue, but asking for it outright? That's just devaluing the hard work that went into getting those mats in the first place.
• r/ to Guild member: There aren't. However, I was kicked for doing nothing wrong other than looking to buy some mats from my guildmates. Not looking for handouts. "Undercutting" is a mischaracterization of a "request to buy" in guild chat. I read the rules. There is nothing in there about not requesting trades at below MM values. Just as there is no penalty for requesting more than fair market value for an item.
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I am serious when I say there are no hard feelings. That is why I haven't named any names. Every guild is free to operate as they choose.

The reason I'm posting this long winded story is that I want to make sure I'm not being inconsiderate in this situation. Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.

And this is exactly why we don't want addons like TTC on console and nor do we EVER want a global auction house.

The price is between buyer and seller. These weird liberal views of everyone should be equal and no one should make / save a buck are just weird

Anyway you are better off out that guild, seem like an odd bunch. You did nothing wrong.

Bottom Line, get it Bottom Line? Anyway, people can buy for whatever price they want and sell for whatever price they want to. No one gets to dictate that, it is the definition of a Free Market.

If it is lower or higher than some MM price so be it. If someone gets their underwear in wad, that is on them, not you.

Now, I understand why a Trading Guild would frown on, or even outright ban sales between members that don't go through the store, but for price? Find another guild if they do that. As long as you conduct your transactions in a trading guild through a store, the guild has no reason to take issue with the business you do.

In other words, don't let the jerks in one guild define for you how all guilds are. Just move on to another trading guild, there are always slots opening up.

Bottom line is, if any officer or even GM orders you to show them respect in that manner, you immediately terminate the conversation and dump the guild.

Asking people to be courteous and respectfull to other members is fine and is as it should be. Throwing their none existant weight around means goodbye.

Of various wrongs and good there is.

Sure undercut is a flag of sorts.

But another thing is that what those officers are implying is that those that undercut themselves by giving or selling something to someone for a reduced amount are also in the wrong... that I do not accept as justifiable on their end and no way is appropriate for them to act. They have no right nor any true power over that. If someone is willingly and of true intent and purposes trying to do someone a favor for that range or free or what have you that is on them. It is their own good deed.

True the tcc you use is some basis of trade. Not sure if you are on pc or console though, if console I def know that site is inaccurate. Not so sure about pc though.

The getting kicked by another one of the officers is really on the impatient one's fault. Should have been some kind of protocol about that which wasn't followed. That would be on fault of the one that kicked and on the one that was talking to you when you went afk.

I've had heated arguments with some people because I was just giving something to someone for free, they didn't sell it. It was to benefit them for recipes and blue prints and motifs. They had no place in this.

As for the respect thing, I had to constantly re read it over and over, in various aspects they are out of line on that one in various aspects. Think they might want to brush up on what entails leadership versus dictatorship.

Most trade guilds forbid buy/sell in guild chat to avoid this sort of poop. Just understand that 95% of trade guilds are not friendly and don't care about you at all and you will sleep better.