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i couldn’t beat voriak solkyn but now it’s easy af: the thread

valkyrie93
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edit: my LATEST vma score: https://i.imgur.com/UaVhuse.jpg

about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
i just can't do it
what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream
Edited by valkyrie93 on August 11, 2018 3:43PM
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  • valkyrie93
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    I just got him to 15% and died im shaking and losing the will to live:)))))))))))))))))
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  • MaleAmazon
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    You need to level up.

    Tell us your class, setup and gear and Ill give advice. Theres also good general advice on google.

    But you should be able to beat crystal phase more times than 2.5%...
    Edited by MaleAmazon on June 3, 2018 2:59PM
  • DHale
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    Dam sorry I am na pc. I just de-conned 52 helms. Kept 7.
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  • MJallday
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    VMA is rediculously hard. Games should be fun; and it certainly isn’t fun. In fact what it does is drive you to fight “the games way”. At this point you aren’t showing how good you are, you’re showing how well you remember to press buttons
    In the right order

    I know loads of PvE players that finish vMA, but they can barely get though a vet trial without being carried. It’s actually quite comical

    PS if you think doing it on a sorc is hard Try doing it on a stamplar, that’s like doing it with one hand behind your back.

    My advice,

    1) max out the new physjic skill line, get the “turn back time” skill . That or spam sheilds constantly
    2) remember that maestrom weapons get repeatedly nerfed anyway, so it’s not “all
    That”
    3) do something more fun if your not enjoying it




  • SkillzMFG
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    I remember doing vMA for the first time, it took me about 6 hours and it was HELL! After that it wasn't that tough but then I took a break from vMA altogether and came back like 2 months after.

    Not only was I unable to finish vMA with my magsorc I went through 5 different gears and none of them worked. I went to sleep frustrated, woke up, tried again and did it in like half an hour...

    To be honest I think like 40% of vMA depends on luck.

    If it's of any use to you, I was using Illambris, Burning Spellweave and Julianos. I can give you more details on my build if you want, but I don't think the build I'm using is that good for vMA tbh.
    Edited by SkillzMFG on June 3, 2018 3:01PM
  • valkyrie93
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    MaleAmazon wrote: »
    You need to level up.

    Tell us your class, setup and gear and Ill give advice. Theres also good general advice on google.

    But you should be able to beat crystal phase more times than 2.5%...

    I have 777 CP and im a petsorc
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  • GrumpyDuckling
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    If you time your use of the defensive sigil to activate it after you defeat the 3 crystals, then it is especially helpful because it reflects his skull projectiles for a short time, effectively allowing you to take out the necromancers who are trying to summon the bone colossus and grab the golden spirits.
  • valkyrie93
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    Thanks for the advice guys, and just fyi I'm wearing 5 pcs Necropotence, 5 pcs Caluurions legacy, 2 pcs Slimecraw monster set... all golded out lmao...... and max cp...

    im using tristat food an dtri stat pots and some spell crit pots so i really think i just need to be better
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  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    Dunno if you can record a video or not? We may be able to help if we can see exactly what you're doing wrong.
  • MaleAmazon
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    I´ve only done it on stamina characters but magicka should be easier...

    This is how I did it, note this is not the best way but it works for relatively low DPS:

    Phase 1:

    1. Stack damage on him at 1st, roll back, take heal sigil for help with adds.

    2. Have consistent tactic for Crematorial Guard; I used warden forest ulti and bloodthirst kite spam.

    3. Get VS to 70%. Kill clannfear spectre near glowing pad and go up.

    ^^^^ The above you need to be able to do 80% of the time without dying, or you need to rethink your setup.

    Phase 2:

    1. Dodge or block skulls. You should memorize them so you can block even if you don´t have LOS. They are predictable and if you dodge roll them you don´t need perfect timing. DPS crystals, run with the 1st wall, run against later walls to get behind them faster (probably).

    2. Soul churn will damage you more and more. If you cannot DPS the crystals very quickly, you need a specific rotation for going down and killing the crematorial guard; on my stamwarden I would jump down after 2-3 wall rotations upstairs and immediately cast forest. I could then kill the crematorial guard and jump back up most of the time.

    Phase 3:

    1. Get sigils.

    2. Kill summoner adds. You should not get a Colossus. Snare them with something to help with killing them before they get to the centre.

    3. Get ghosts, use synergy, kill boss.

    Some people use defense sigil right away for fast killing.
    Edited by MaleAmazon on June 3, 2018 3:08PM
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    A good team makes the dream work.
  • MaleAmazon
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    You need to tell us what kills you I think. VMA is hard because of the specific things you miss or dont understand completely. "You need to know what kills you" was the best advice in the guide i read.

    I dont play magsorc much but maybe switch out caluurions legacy? Single target 1-shots like that isnt a major priority in vMA.
    Edited by MaleAmazon on June 3, 2018 3:13PM
  • valkyrie93
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    MaleAmazon wrote: »
    I´ve only done it on stamina characters but magicka should be easier...

    This is how I did it, note this is not the best way but it works for relatively low DPS:

    Phase 1:

    1. Stack damage on him at 1st, roll back, take heal sigil for help with adds.

    2. Have consistent tactic for Crematorial Guard; I used warden forest ulti and bloodthirst kite spam.

    3. Get VS to 70%. Kill clannfear spectre near glowing pad and go up.

    ^^^^ The above you need to be able to do 80% of the time without dying, or you need to rethink your setup.

    Phase 2:

    1. Dodge or block skulls. You should memorize them so you can block even if you don´t have LOS. They are predictable and if you dodge roll them you don´t need perfect timing. DPS crystals, run with the 1st wall, run against later walls to get behind them faster (probably).

    2. Soul churn will damage you more and more. If you cannot DPS the crystals very quickly, you need a specific rotation for going down and killing the crematorial guard; on my stamwarden I would jump down after 2-3 wall rotations upstairs and immediately cast forest. I could then kill the crematorial guard and jump back up most of the time.

    Phase 3:

    1. Get sigils.

    2. Kill summoner adds. You should not get a Colossus. Snare them with something to help with killing them before they get to the centre.

    3. Get ghosts, use synergy, kill boss.

    Some people use defense sigil right away for fast killing.

    I usually get him to about 68% before going up to the top the first time and i once im up there, on my 'good' attempts ive destroyed more than 1 crystal or even all 3 without being thrown back down.... until he comes down again.. so i understand the whole stacking damage for the first part thing

    I think im having trouble memorising the skulls.... also when i got him to 15% it was one of the adds that killed me if i remember correctly

    omfg
    i didnt focus on killing the adds when i was back down there, so that's why the colossus spawned... i'll focus on killing them next time
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  • valkyrie93
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    MaleAmazon wrote: »
    You need to tell us what kills you I think. VMA is hard because of the specific things you miss or dont understand completely. "You need to know what kills you" was the best advice in the guide i read.

    I dont play magsorc much but maybe switch out caluurions legacy? Single target 1-shots like that isnt a major priority in vMA.

    haven't thought about switching it, maybe i could use julianos instead
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  • valkyrie93
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    If you time your use of the defensive sigil to activate it after you defeat the 3 crystals, then it is especially helpful because it reflects his skull projectiles for a short time, effectively allowing you to take out the necromancers who are trying to summon the bone colossus and grab the golden spirits.

    I'll try this as well!!!
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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  • valkyrie93
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    SkillzMFG wrote: »
    I remember doing vMA for the first time, it took me about 6 hours and it was HELL! After that it wasn't that tough but then I took a break from vMA altogether and came back like 2 months after.

    Not only was I unable to finish vMA with my magsorc I went through 5 different gears and none of them worked. I went to sleep frustrated, woke up, tried again and did it in like half an hour...

    To be honest I think like 40% of vMA depends on luck.

    If it's of any use to you, I was using Illambris, Burning Spellweave and Julianos. I can give you more details on my build if you want, but I don't think the build I'm using is that good for vMA tbh.

    I THINK 40% DEPENDS ON LUCK TOO!!! the aoe feels so random and is always where im standing, especially those annoying spikes and the ghosts that just happen to be floating towards you...

    good to know i'm not the only one who can't complete it on a magsorc lol... I'm using necro, slimecraw and caluurion but i might switch out caluurions for julianos
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  • ol_BANK_lo
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    valkyrie93 wrote: »
    about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
    i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
    i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
    i just can't do it
    what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

    How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream

    People are right. Can't give advice if we don't know what's killing you. Yes, Mag Sorc is easier, because you have big shields and crit/power surge (or you should if are just trying to clear).

    The build is fine. Your tactics need work.

    Have you watched any vids online? You can see how people work the map. Sigils are your friend.

    My brief suggestions:

    1. Use crit surge and shields
    2. Use power sigil at beginning of round to get boss to 70% as quickly as possible. Use healing sigil before going up top in case you get the dot on you. Use defensive sigil as soon as you come down. Save ulti for as soon as you come down.
    3. Don't worry about killing adds when you come down. Focus boss. If you're getting the colossus, it's taking you too long to kill the boss.
    4. Use crushing shock (if you aren't). It'll help interrupt her one skill.
  • RusevCrush
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    The easy answer is come down, grab the defensive sigil, burn boss, done. Now, no one wants to hear work on your rotation and increase your dps as a solution when you're that close to this great achievement.
    Hopefully someone will chime in with how to manage 3rd phase mechanics without ignoring them completely as I mentioned above.
    I will say that even with high dps I think you need to add a self heal in your rotation while up top to mitigate the soul churn. Good luck, we've all been here. Once you find your method this fight will be much easier.
    Edited by RusevCrush on June 3, 2018 3:26PM
  • Vapirko
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    Burn his health as fast as you can when it starts. When you get to the top, burn the first crystal. The skulls are a pain but they’re actually pretty easy to dodge. You don’t even have to be exact, you just know he’s going to toss one so roll dodge when that time comes. I don’t even have to look at him to do it. When you finally get the crystals, drop down grab defense sigil, put your dots up, and focus on grabbing ghosts. When he’s stunned burn him. The big point here is, once you’ve grabbed the defense sigil, do not interrupt him when he shoots a ton of skulls at you like you would have done previously. These reflect off the damage sigil and do a ton of dps to him.
  • MaleAmazon
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    To be honest I think like 40% of vMA depends on luck.

    No.

    Once you know it, there is not that much of a luck factor, and the luck really only factors in when it´s close. If you fail 80% of the time it´s not bad luck.
  • Joy_Division
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    valkyrie93 wrote: »
    about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
    i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
    i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
    i just can't do it
    what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

    How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream

    People just say mag sorcerer is easiest because they have an agenda to get their class buffed.

    Calaariun is not a great PvE DPS set (it's good for PvP), I would switch that out for Julianos.

    You should not need both trifood and tri pots. You need stamina, both are overkill IMHO. If you are using Critical surge (and i think you should), then I'd use witchmother's brew and tripots.

    You can read my guide i have linked if you want specific advice for the last stage. The quick version:
    • You should not be "thrown off" during the crystal phase up time. After the 3rd wall spawns you should be able to finish off the crystals. If you cant, you are either spending too much time chasing walls, not using enough dots, or just not being efficient with DPS. It's not necessary to have a super DPS build to burn those crystals. It is necessary not to waste time.
    • It sounds like you are just ignoring the adds when you go back downstairs. You can only do this if you have really good dps.
    • In my guide I have the order a new player should do upon going downstairs. Leave your ground dots on the boss if u kill the summoner add: very important otherwise you wont be able to kill the boss. activate the shield and power sigals while gegting ghosts so you can nuke the daedroth if it spawns,
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • hydrocynus
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    Keep at it. I promise it will get easier as you do it.

    here's some tips that i found really helped me. Some may get you through some parts that you find difficult. They may not all help but are worth a try. I promise with practice you can get it. It took me a good couple of weeks, trying every night, before i finally killed him (my first toon i tried it with was magplar, but have also done it on Mag Sorc and a few other classes as well)

    I am not one of the best DPS'es in this game and so i had to fight this boss longer, and the below are things that can help if you are the same. I have friends that are good enough to just DPS this boss down but i am not one so the below are things that can help put things in your favour when you do not have the raw damage of some of the best DPSers in the game. This boss does not require you to be an insane DPS to finish it (although it helps of course!)

    1) Try not take the defensive sigil in the first phase (before you go up). The reason is that if you have saved it for when you come back down, he will channel his skulls which usually you would have to interrupt him. If you come down and take the defence sigil then the skull channel is deflected back to him and will do damage to him, and you can ignore him and focus on getting the first gold ghost and the summoners:
    2) Do not ignore the summoners of the bone colossus. if you kill them, there will be no bone colossus. For me it's worth killing them especially if you are damaging the boss slower.
    3) Use Speed/Unstoppable/Stamina pots when you are up killing the crystals (and also when you come back down). It will help you move faster and also stop you from being knocked over by the Nerieneth wannabe skull cast skill of his. This was actually the thing that helped me the most to first finish this boss. The speed buff helps but the unstoppable part is the real bonus because stuff hits you from all sides in this fight and many of that stuff CCs you or knocks you back and puts you on the back foot, and this really helped big time to avoid that. The speed pots also help in phase 3 when you need to get the gold ghosts fast
    4) In the crystal phase, the boss has a very predictable rotation. Learn it closely and it makes things a lot easier. When you go up he will cast a skull then summon a wall then blow up the wall. Then he will cast 2 skulls then a wall then blows up the wall, then 2 skulls then wall then blow up and so on. When you learn it, you can instinctually dodge roll at the right time and you will see the skull fly by you, without ever having to look at the boss. He is so fixed to that rotation you just need to learn it.
    5) Learn to avoid the meteors while killing the crystals. For me, the meteors killed me a lot until i knew how to avoid them. Get hit by 1 and it stuns you and you cant move in time to get away from the second, and the second kills you . when the current meteor hits the ground, then next one is targeted where your feet are at that point in time. So its a dance. Avoid the first meteor, and when it lands, the next one is targeted on you, so all you need to do is move a bit, and it will land where you were and not where you are. get that right, and the crystal phase becomes really easy.
    6) When in phase 3 (when you come back down) make sure you get the first 3 gold ghosts. If you get them, then you will be able to use the explosion at the same time when the crem guard appears and if you are lucky the boss would have teleported next to the spawn point of the crem guard. If that's the case, drop your destro ulti on them while they are stunned and the cremguard will be dead before he breaks from the stun and you can focus the boss.
    7) I found that armour pen reduction sets like Spinners Garments really help you on this fight so if you can get that (available in Auction houses). They are worth swapping in for your normal PVE set as they really help you burn down the bosses.
    8) put 10 attributes into health. yes you have less magicka, but it made a lot of the one shot mechanics not one shot mechanics anymore.
    9) Reduce graphics to medium if you battle with lag or freezing. It can make the fight much smoother for you.
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  • starkerealm
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    DHale wrote: »
    Dam sorry I am na pc. I just de-conned 52 helms. Kept 7.

    This is about Voriak Solkyn, not Valkyn Skoria. Though, congrats on having a good group who was willing to run CoA2 59 times in a row without vomiting blood, and shrieking about the end times.
  • darkstar2084
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    Use all the sigils start with power and defence. burn down boss and deadra till 70%. On the crystals you need to learn to roll doge at the right time and keep up with the rocks, takes a while to get it right. if you get knocked down get the heal sigil,run to portal and kill clanfear on portal shield up. don't bother with big deadra. Once crystals are done, pick up speed sigil run to ghosts and also to interrupt the boss skill that drains.Use the explosion when deadra spawns burn it down, then focus on boss. then rince repeat until dead
    Edited by darkstar2084 on June 3, 2018 4:04PM
  • DoctorESO
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    DHale wrote: »
    Dam sorry I am na pc. I just de-conned 52 helms. Kept 7.

    That's Veteran City of Ash 2. Valkyn Skoria is the boss there.

    The OP is talking about the final boss of Veteran Maelstrom Arena. That boss is called Voriak Solkyn.
  • DoctorESO
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    valkyrie93 wrote: »
    about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
    i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
    i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
    i just can't do it
    what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

    How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream

    I've got a few great tips for you. The good thing is that you know how to get to where you're currently getting. Everyone has their own way of getting there, and that's perfectly fine.

    1. Use Harness Magicka instead of Hardened/Empowered Ward. This will give you some magicka when you get hit, so it's more than just a straight shield. Always have Harness Magicka up.

    2. Make sure you dodge the skulls that are thrown at you. They are predictable, so you can learn the timing without having to actually see the skulls. Even if you dodge a little too early, it will still work. Forget about blocking them.

    3. If you are using a restoration staff on your backbar, heal yourself using Healing Ward only (no other self-heals).

    4. If you have high DPS, try doing a front bar-only rotation, and only use your back bar for Healing Ward and Power Surge.

    5. If you have high DPS, burn the boss after doing the crystals, and ignore all the adds, including the ones summoning the bone golem.

    6. Pay attention to exactly what's killing you. Do everything exactly the same to get to that point, but then do something different so that same thing doesn't kill you. But you're carving a path through a jungle...keep doing the same thing to get to the same point, then do something different to get a little farther.

    @valkyrie93
    Edited by DoctorESO on June 3, 2018 4:23PM
  • DoctorESO
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    MJallday wrote: »
    I know loads of PvE players that finish vMA, but they can barely get though a vet trial without being carried. It’s actually quite comical

    I find this quite comical as well.
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    Instead of 2x Slimecraw use 1+1 from either of these sets Mighty Chudan / Pirate Skeleton / Lord Warden

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  • MaleAmazon
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    Vet trials are hard because you need to know mechanics, and for that you need one of:

    1. Ppl willing to teach (not that many)

    2. Raidnotifier (helps but not for everything)

    3. Well written guide. There are guides out there but TBH they are often very confusing, they often presuppose you use certain skills, etc.
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