i couldn’t beat voriak solkyn but now it’s easy af: the thread

hydrocynus

oh another thing i found really helps for that final fight. Put 100 points into the Elemental Defender CP. It reduces a lot of the incoming damage in there. The Crem guards do physical light attacks but besides that i think all the damage in there is elemental.

MarleyRain

Oh yes I have also been dealing with this fight from hell. I have a 650 magsorc and started attempting this a couple weeks ago. Got stuck on that last fight a few hours but the next day I beat it like 2nd try, 4 times since. I found it easier for me to run the clannfear because of the heal and he takes some aggro off you. But that's just me, I'm not saying this is what you should do. Now I decided to try again on my 380cp account, another magsorc and have been stuck on this fight 3-4 days now. Ugh it's so frustrating. I've got him to execute phase like 4 times only to be killed by ghosts or something. I always wait to take all sigils until you come back down, and it usually goes better if I just drop my ultimate as soon as he teleports and spawns the first CG. He's usually at 70% after. I think half the problem is we start getting hyped and nervous and then make stupid mistakes, like using the spectral explosions while getting fire breathed. Anyways, just keep at it and you will get it. If you're frustrated just walk away for a few minutes and calm down. Good luck!!

starkerealm

hydrocynus wrote: »

oh another thing i found really helps for that final fight. Put 100 points into the Elemental Defender CP. It reduces a lot of the incoming damage in there. The Crem guards do physical light attacks but besides that i think all the damage in there is elemental.

When it comes to elemental Defender, I'd stop at 43 points. That'll get you 10% resistance to elemental damage, sinking 100 points in will only get you 15% total. You'll, usually, better off dropping those points elsewhere (such as Ironclad and Thick Skinned, which scale to 25% each), and picking up more overall resistance. Rather than simply focusing on resisting elemental damage.

For 100 CP (technically 104cp, yay jump points), you can walk away with 19% resistance to direct and DoT damage (which is nearly all damage in the game), where you'd only get 15% from putting 100 points in Elemental Defender.

In general, CP spending benefits more from spreading your points over a variety of stars, rather than maxing out one. In fact, I can't think of a single star I would recommend maxing at present. The diminishing returns for the last couple percentage points are brutal.

MaleAmazon

In general, CP spending benefits more from spreading your points over a variety of stars, rather than maxing out one. In fact, I can't think of a single star I would recommend maxing at present.

I can think of one but thats just on a ridicu-build I have in my head XD

starkerealm

MaleAmazon wrote: »

In general, CP spending benefits more from spreading your points over a variety of stars, rather than maxing out one. In fact, I can't think of a single star I would recommend maxing at present.

I can think of one but thats just on a ridicu-build I have in my head XD

The only one that came to mind was sneak cost reduction, but you can zero that out without having to max the star if you're committing to the build.

EDIT: Typo

xeNNNNN

you doing this with or without sigils?

rysc

I ran a pet sorc through there and as others have recommended used julianos and necro with a heavy chest and medium legs for the added protection then the rest light. I used tristat food with unstoppable pots (mag - i think it is bugloss, namiras rot, and columbine but don't quote me.)

One other thing I tweaked was to use infernal guardian helm (recommended from several players) because it lobs grenades when you shield up, and you are always shielding up. The target of the grenades is the farthest enemy on the field which is almost ALWAYS a summoner since everything else except archers are usually pretty close to you. It served as both early warning and did damage to them making them a quick kill.

danno8

On the third phase, your priorities are:

1. Gold Ghosts - if boss gets 3, you are dead
2. Summoners in the middle - if they summon the colossus you are dead
3. other adds
4. The boss himself

Beardimus

DoctorESO wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

I know loads of PvE players that finish vMA, but they can barely get though a vet trial without being carried. It’s actually quite comical

I find this quite comical as well.

Whys that comical? It's comparing apples to pears.
VMA is solo. You are healing, movement actually matters, DPS matters. Trials is a very different kettle of fish, it's not comparable.

Trials you stand in Red and button smash. I know more vet trials players who cant get Flawless than Flawless guys who suck at trials. Odd comparison.

Mjoellnir

I'm on that stage, too... And it can be extremely frustrating. I manage to get up most of the time, but then I start to make stupid mistakes that bring me down again. Down there is a CG waiting for me which means death most of the time. But even when I destroy all three crystals I start to get nervous and messing up my rotation and everything...

But thanks a lot for all the tips, the helped a lot so far.

Ihatenightblades

valkyrie93 wrote: »

about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
i just can't do it
what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream

Imo last round is fairly easy if u got the dps. I also use trash pots in vma LOL. Power surge with inner light on both bars is enough damage and crit using spell pots would just give room for boind aegis which is good in trials but no biggie in vma.

I also would make you are using ele drain it help a lot. Also if u are dying to spike from ground u are sitting in same spot too long.

There shouldnt ever be a time in that fight where you stand still or u will die. Mobility is key in this fight

dangutang

The crystals always got me too. There's just SO much going on mechanics-wise with the final boss fight. So, I made it so I rarely had to switch bars. Made it much easier to keep up. Also used a prismatic weapon glyph (made a HUGE difference in damage...no more issues burning down crematorial guards). Also tried to always ensure I had the damage and either healing or defensive sigils for the last part. Keep dots on boss, etc. Joys guide helped a lot also.

Lexxypwns

Run a ranged interrupt.

Jump down as needed during crystal phase, burn a crematorial guard then go back up and proceed to burn crystals.

Save the defensive and offensive sigil and use it once your finish crystal phase.

Kingslayer513

danno8 wrote: »

On the third phase, your priorities are:

1. Gold Ghosts - if boss gets 3, you are dead
2. Summoners in the middle - if they summon the colossus you are dead
3. other adds
4. The boss himself

Basically this. It's not a dps fight, it's about environmental awareness and staying level headed in the chaos. You must always be aware of your priority targets and focus them accordingly. The boss is the lowest priority except for interrupting his channel and blocking the occasional skull he throws at you. And if there is a bone colossus up at all then you are doing it wrong.

Once you learn the mechanics here, it becomes one of the easiest stages.

Thogard

I did it on a very similar build / class. I’m a PvPer and not the best at PvE and was getting really frustrated with it.

The secret I found is to use infernal guardian. Those mortars hit very very hard. The first time I beat it, I was about to die and then all the mobs vanished and I thought it was bugged.... then I realized that while I had been in defense mode, the mortars had killed voriak.

Imo the most important thing is watching him so you know exactly which attack he’s going to use - when he teleports he does either the one you have to interupt or the one you have to dodgeroll (or block).... so just don’t lose sight of him

Edit: also an infused staff with a prismatic onslaught glyph was super clutch for the crematorial guard mobs.

Also dawnbreaker

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

I did it on a very similar build / class.

The secret I found is to use infernal guardian. Those mortars hit very very hard. The first time I beat it, I was about to die and then all the mobs vanished and I thought it was bugged.... then I realized that while I had been in defense mode, the mortars had killed voriak.

Imo the most important thing is watching him so you know exactly which attack he’s going to use - when he teleports he does either the one you have to interupt or the one you have to dodgeroll (or block).... so just don’t lose sight of him

Imo it's best for vMA, only on the Argonian final boss do I not use it.

Range NPCs are usually high priority and farthest away any how.

gabriebe

My cheese for the last boss is to save all my ults for the Crematorium Guards, not the boss.

Spam Harness Magica while your destro ult kills the CG. Go top, damage the crystals best you can, jump back down when your destro is up. Kill the CG with destro ult, spam harness magica. Go back top, damage the crystals again until your destro is up, either finish the job or go back down again and kill the CG with destro.

Once the crystals are clear, save up your destro for the CGs again, grab the golden ghosts, rinse and repeat. The CGs flame breath actually help you restore magicka while it's being killed by your destro ult and the pets damage.

My VMA setup is 3x Ancient Grace, 5x Necro and 2x Ilambris, but I havent run it in months so things are probably different now. It's not super high DPS but it's enough to get you through. Just don't follow Alcast's builds/elite players builds blindly like I did the first time, running Force Pulse instead of Crushing Shock. Switching to Crushing Shock is the only reason why I could complete it.

Aurielle

If it makes you feel any better, I died with his health at 2% after four hours just before I finished VMA the first time. I'm surprised my TV survived the experience.

Just keep at it. You got him down to 15%, so you're almost there. The more times you do it, the better your situational awareness will become, and the less likely you will be to die to predictable mechanics. One thing that used to destroy me every time were the CG's...then I learned you can kite from side to side when they breathe fire without getting hit. Also, I've found that Suppression Field is a decent ult to use when you get overwhelmed and could use a little extra defence.

RANKK7

if you find too messy to interrupt him, slot crushing shock (destro morph of force shock) you said you are on magicka char.

grab the protective sigil as soon as you go down and do not interrupt the boss in that case, because you have the sigil on, he will be damaged by his own damage.

save your strongest ultimate for when he's immobilized.

it depends by your dps you could be able to finish ignoring the npcs and even the ghosts but even with high damage it's very messy in there when you don't know the place, so try to stay focused to grab ghosts, kill mages, interrupt after sigil expires and avoid skulls, it's a lot when you are new to it but in time you'll know everything at hearth and that boss won't be a problem (you will hate more stage 7 xD), remember take the defensive sigil when down

ArchMikem

You have more willpower than I. I only tried three runs. My second run i fought him a dozen or so tries, got him down to his last few thousand health but wiped. After getting that close i could never get him to even 50%.

So i gave up. A video game isnt meant to cause frustration and rage.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

valkyrie93 wrote: »

about 600 attempts, burning through hundreds and hundreds of pots, countless gold spent on repairs, i cannot beat this round of vma
i just destroyed all 3 crystals (ive only managed to do this about 15 times out of all of my attempts) and finally got to the part where you use spectral explosion and the bone colossus is there, i still had 3 sigils to use, and i died. that is the first time i've got that far
i always die to the spikes that come up from the ground too
i just can't do it
what frustrates me even more is that i'm playing a magsorc and i hear so much that it's easiest class to do it on and here i am... welp

How does one complete this without going insane? if i hear his cringey dialogue one more time i will scream

This won't help you now but just know your not alone. No one comes out of vma fully sane there first clear. That place is hell I broke two headsets and a mouse before I cleared. Just because your on a class that's "easier" doesn't make a first clear easier. You can beat it just don't let your nerves mess you up. Side note I had two rum and cokes before I cleared to loosen me up a bit.

AndyMac

It's a terrible fight to learn. My thoughts are these.

- Try to save the sigils for the last phase. Use the destro ult on the boss and crem guard for the first phase - hopefully the healer will be caught in the aoe too.

- Dot up the crystals to help - you need to be constantly dpsing them - even when behind the wall.

- keep half an eye on the boss when learning the skull attack timing - you'll eventually not need to - but to begin it will help - the attack has a long cast time - very easy to see coming.

- You can let yourself get knocked down during the crystal phase - grab the defense sigil and burn everything - this will reset the soul churn and walls - which makes the phase a lot easier - but it's best if you can save the sigils until the last phase.

- do not freak out when you come down for the third phase.

- unless you've got monster deeps, plan to kill at least one summoner and use the ghost stun at least once.

- the ghosts fly to the boss so try to stay near to grab them. The summoner is squishy so liquid lightening and a heavy or two from range should be enough.

- do not let the boss get a ghost - they empower him and the fight gets harder.

- try to stun the crem guard next to the boss and destro ult both - if it doesn't happened, dot the boss and focus the crem guard.

- use all the sigils- the shield for the boss channel - the axe for execute - the speed sigil to help get the ghosts.

- run julianos.

Hope something in there helps you clear.

valkyrie93

I stopped trying shortly after i made this thread because i was burnt out but i’ve read every single comment and i appreciate the advice sooooo much Thank you all! i will try again sometime this week but these are the things i’m going to change:
use julianos instead of caluurions legacy
use a primastic glyph on my infused staff
use crushing shock !!! instead of force pulse
use harness magicka instead of hardened ward

and also focus on summoner adds when i’m down again. i’m finding it easier to destroy the crystals now. i hope it just gets easier

ccfeeling

Youtube, killing priority, practices, eat golden ghost and loot

DoctorESO

Beardimus wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

I know loads of PvE players that finish vMA, but they can barely get though a vet trial without being carried. It’s actually quite comical

I find this quite comical as well.

Whys that comical? It's comparing apples to pears.
VMA is solo. You are healing, movement actually matters, DPS matters. Trials is a very different kettle of fish, it's not comparable.

Trials you stand in Red and button smash. I know more vet trials players who cant get Flawless than Flawless guys who suck at trials. Odd comparison.

Uhh, in vet trials, you most certainly do not stand in red unless you are talking about those easy Craglorn trials, and only then in some circumstances.

kylewwefan

I had a heck of a time with magsorc too. No idea why they say it’s easiest class.

Morgul667

I have huge ping and therefore had troubles to pass this boss the first time. Much more troubles than to pass the other stages.

Funny thing is that this fight is actually not very hard but it allows 0 mistake and is kind of an endurance/awareness test. Mistake is what was killing me all the time. Making small mistakes such as not watching the boss, running close to the edge to get a ghost and then get stunned, letting boss get a yellow ghost. Missing an action by a short timing (high ping) and so on and so on

I think the key is to keep an eye on the boss at all time, learn what he will do and when, it is environment/boss awareness that will get you through this. Also having some CP allocated in DOT damage reduction (red) is quite useful for second stage.

You need to learn to kill the crematorial at 95% of the time if you want to go through this boss. If no you'll never practice phase 3 enough to beat it. No real tip here on magicka sorc, try to shield through and hit him with lotssss of DPS

Im mainly PVP, have high ping. If I did it, you sure can

Sixty5

Soul Assault is your friend.

It sounds stupid, but it is actually really, really good for just getting the completion.

As a preface, I am garbage at VMA, and most runs take me a week or two because I get bored, but I can say that Soul Assault is OP for the final phase.
Firstly it does a lot of damage for a low cost, so it can help burning down crems.

Secondly, and more importantly, it gives you CC immunity for the duration.
I have always struggled with the crystals, but with soul assault, you just need to drop some dots, pop a shield and hit your ult. It will pretty much fully kill the crystal, at which point you can jump down, farm up some more ult, rinse and repeat

here's a video of one of my clears for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV43XmgxD_8

ArchMikem

Yeh. This thread made me go back in, see if me being better would make a difference. Nope. Kept wiping on the frozen rink.

Maelstrom sucks major hist sap.

LadyLethalla

@valkyrie93 I feel ya, bud. I still get nervous as hell and I've killed him 10 times now. And still die a lot.

I use 5 pc Necro, 4 pc Elegance, 2 pc Infernal Guardian. Nirn lightning staff with prismatic enchant, specifically for rounds 1, 6, 8 and 9 because it's additional damage to Daedra. Keeping your Ward or Harness Magicka procs the Infernal Guardian - so free DPS that will help take down the crystals and mobs like the summoner.
I use purple food solely for the last boss round because you need the extra stam for dodgerolling, and I also use Essence of Immovability with Health & Mag, usually just for this round.
So when I get to the crystal phase, I grab the Haste sigil and pop a potion before using the portal. That way you don't need to dodge his first skull attack - but make sure you Shield as soon as you get up there.

When I've taken out all three crystals and I'm back on the lower level, I will take the Defense sigil - though not straight away.
If you can get him to 15% you'll get there.

Good luck - though probably as I type this, you've already collapsed in a trembling heap shouting hoarsely "YES! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! TAKE THAT YOU SOB!"