Multi-core Performance Update, Improvement or Deterioration?

Ramber · May 2018

MIne stutters about the same or worse! I have the best gear too, i7 12 core cpu, 16gb ddr4 ram, m.2 ssds and a gtx1080. Its kinda odd that they could mess this up. I wonder if the change was internal(bad) or the result of a good 3rd party investigation into what the problem is and what the resolution should be. no other game does stutters like eso.

adeptusminor · May 2018

I really want to give props to the devs. I've noticed a SIGNIFICANT performance increase in trials, no more 20fps stuttering messes so far, it's been smooth and it's nice being able to do my rotation.

Radox0 · May 2018

Summerset prevented the game working period with my 7980XE rig until manually editing in the UserSetting.txt and disabling additional cores (passed notes onto the team when I had a ticket open as could impact other users also). However the game still freeze's in part like other's with lots of freezing and stuttering. I believe the issue is somewhat compounded by running G-Sync which turns off when FPS drops under 30 FPS and the very quick dips cause slightly prolonged freeze. Either way, is painful at times, more so trial's / dungeons.

My 8700k rig worked fine out of the gate and needed no editing, but similarly I do see some freezing and stuttering on occasions there.

With all that said, once (and if) the game runs smoothly across more cores, will be all for it rather then hammering a single core.

Shadowmaster · May 2018

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

There's a random stutter every so often, it occurs for half a second but its noticeable.

This is the only bad I have seen with the patch. Performance in general has been better to the point I re-enabled SLI for the first time on ESO in like 2 years.

Edit: Did have some model rendering issues since Summerset though but just assumed it was broken textures. This was the day all the lag was occurring in Cyro though.

Anysra · May 2018

On a i7-7700k @5Ghz: No difference. Still stutters and no FPS improvements.
I have a 2TB HDD with Intel Optane SSD, loading screens are better. But ingame performance still the same.

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Ramber wrote: »

MIne stutters about the same or worse! I have the best gear too, i7 12 core cpu, 16gb ddr4 ram, m.2 ssds and a gtx1080. Its kinda odd that they could mess this up. I wonder if the change was internal(bad) or the result of a good 3rd party investigation into what the problem is and what the resolution should be. no other game does stutters like eso.

Lots of cores but lower clocked is actually not a good setup for this game. I'm sorry to break that news to you as I know it's an expensive setup

To make the most of your setup, I believe you should close the game and then rename the usersettings file. Then restart the game. This will generate a new file with all thread values to "-1" which means all cores will be used which in turn suits your hardware set up best. You'll still have the specific stalls/hickups from this particular patch but next patch that should be better or resolved

Let us know how that works for you.

Lysette · May 2018

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

Well, now this is really surprising me now, because I experience no stutter anymore - you guys do magic, don't you?

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Ajintse wrote: »

On a i7-7700k @5Ghz: No difference. Still stutters and no FPS improvements.
I have a 2TB HDD with Intel Optane SSD, loading screens are better. But ingame performance still the same.

the solution for your particular case is all the way down at page 5 in this thread, last post. Worker threads to "1" or "0" even in your case and job threads to "4". Edit the file only when the game is completely closed or your changes won't go through. Try it and see the magic. Let us know the result here

damdamjel · May 2018

hmmm i don't see any update about the mult-icore issues in the recent patch notes.. ill guess we'll have to wait.

Lysette · May 2018

damdamjel wrote: »

hmmm i don't see any update about the mult-icore issues in the recent patch notes.. ill guess we'll have to wait.

It was said that it wasn't part of this patch -so yes, you have to wait.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Really appreciate the communication.

Aleris · May 2018

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Aleris wrote: »

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

what cpu you have and how high is it (over)clocked ?

Lysette · May 2018

Worker 1 and jobs 4 should be good for most quad-cores IMO.

Aleris · May 2018

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

what cpu you have and how high is it (over)clocked ?

I have an i7 7700 ( not overlocked cause it doesn’t support it)

and what about set max core? should i set it to 8 for my cpu?

Bevik · May 2018

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

@ZOS_AlexTardif

Have you guys considered changing the game engine or a total overhaul which can help you in further development? At the moment it looks like you have very limited options what you can improve.

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Aleris wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

what cpu you have and how high is it (over)clocked ?

I have an i7 7700 ( not overlocked cause it doesn’t support it)

the most classic 4core cpu scenario...jobs 4 workers 1 as Lysette also suggested right above here. Details in last post on page 5 of this thread

Aleris · May 2018

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

what cpu you have and how high is it (over)clocked ?

I have an i7 7700 ( not overlocked cause it doesn’t support it)

the most classic 4core cpu scenario...jobs 4 workers 1 as Lysette also suggested right above here. Details in last post on page 5 of this thread

and the set max core to use i put 8 then? yeah i read that post just wanted i clarification

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Rair.Kitani · May 2018

I have a i7 8700k (6 Cores / 12 Threads @3.7GHz / 4.7 GHz Boost) and since the updates I have those severe fps drops here and there.
So editing to
SET RequestedNumJobThreads "6"
SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads "1"
is fine? Or do you have different recommendations?

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Aleris wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aleris wrote: »

Could someone tell me what’s the best value i should have in my settings at

1) requestednumbjobthreads

And

2)reuqestednumworkerthreads?

Ty!

what cpu you have and how high is it (over)clocked ?

I have an i7 7700 ( not overlocked cause it doesn’t support it)

the most classic 4core cpu scenario...jobs 4 workers 1 as Lysette also suggested right above here. Details in last post on page 5 of this thread

and the set max core to use i put 8 then? yeah i read that post just wanted i clarification )

8 yes or 4, depending on how many other applications you are running (those other applications also use some of the 8 hyperthreaded cores). You can try both settings for an hour and see if you notice any difference between them.

Lysette · May 2018

I would leave it a 4 though - there are so many background tasks with windows for example, that a higher number leads to a lot of swap outs and swaps in - better you have some free for those background tasks, which activate very frequently just for a short amount of time, but each time force a swap out and swap in on that core then.

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

Rair.Kitani wrote: »

I have a i7 8700k (6 Cores / 12 Threads @3.7GHz / 4.7 GHz Boost) and since the updates I have those severe fps drops here and there.
So editing to
SET RequestedNumJobThreads "6"
SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads "1"
is fine? Or do you have different recommendations?

that looks perfect to me. I run the same settings with the same cpu.

Additionally i recommend you go into the BIOS and disable "Intel speed step" or "turbo" and fix the 4.7Ghz speed manually. Also doublecheck that in windows powersettings are set to "maximum performance". These 2 things together make sure that in windows while playing the game the cpu never drops back down from 4.7Ghz and this makes a huge difference in in-game performance. The fps becomes stable then instead of dropping down along with the clockspeed constantly.

danno8 · May 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

There's a random stutter every so often, it occurs for half a second but its noticeable.

This is the only bad I have seen with the patch. Performance in general has been better to the point I re-enabled SLI for the first time on ESO in like 2 years.

Edit: Did have some model rendering issues since Summerset though but just assumed it was broken textures. This was the day all the lag was occurring in Cyro though.

Underwater combat is finally coming to ESO! I can even see sea-spiders!

Nevasca · May 2018

Bevik wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

@ZOS_AlexTardif

Have you guys considered changing the game engine or a total overhaul which can help you in further development? At the moment it looks like you have very limited options what you can improve.

That would mean making the whole game from 0. So no. Improving performance in itself is very limited as a concept, there isn't that much to do. I'm impressed that ZOS can keep up with the improvements.

Geekgirl · May 2018

I am experiencing the stuttering and a new random drop from game that produces no error message or even hint that it's going to happen.

Things are fine...fine...fine... then no game!

I didn't have these issues with this machine prior to the patching - nothing about my hardware has changed; just the update to the game itself.

VexingArcanist · May 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

There's a random stutter every so often, it occurs for half a second but its noticeable.

This is the only bad I have seen with the patch. Performance in general has been better to the point I re-enabled SLI for the first time on ESO in like 2 years.

Edit: Did have some model rendering issues since Summerset though but just assumed it was broken textures. This was the day all the lag was occurring in Cyro though.

I've been experiencing this as well, since the update. At least now I can relax on thinking my gpu might be going out on a 6 month old card....

MinarasLaure · May 2018

There is something I don't understand and maybe some of you can help.
I have eso installed in 2 almost identical laptops, same processor, same ram, same os, everything.
The only difference is that one has a geforce 960m and the other one has a 970m.
The laptop with the 970m has those microfreezes that last 1-2 sec, and than everything goes back to normal.
While experiencing those microfreezes gpu usage goes up to 95%.
The laptop with the 960m has those microfreezes but instead of lasting 1-2 secs, they last up to a minute with fps dropping down to 1-5, and gpu usage is at 100%.
Sometimes I'm able to fix it just reducing the game to icon and jumping back in and sometimes I simply have to wait.
Now the question, how is this related to the multi-core performance update?
Pre summerset both laptops could run eso at ultra with 60-80 fps, now only the 970 equipped can.
Any thoughts?

Lysette · May 2018

Sounds to me like some kind of dead lock of 2 threads, where both are waiting on each other to complete - and their time out lets it run for a little bit until they eventually get into the same situation again - the other machine is a little faster, where this might just not take place that often - something like this it could be.

profundidob16_ESO · May 2018

MinarasLaure wrote: »

There is something I don't understand and maybe some of you can help.
I have eso installed in 2 almost identical laptops, same processor, same ram, same os, everything.
The only difference is that one has a geforce 960m and the other one has a 970m.
The laptop with the 970m has those microfreezes that last 1-2 sec, and than everything goes back to normal.
While experiencing those microfreezes gpu usage goes up to 95%.
The laptop with the 960m has those microfreezes but instead of lasting 1-2 secs, they last up to a minute with fps dropping down to 1-5, and gpu usage is at 100%.
Sometimes I'm able to fix it just reducing the game to icon and jumping back in and sometimes I simply have to wait.
Now the question, how is this related to the multi-core performance update?
Pre summerset both laptops could run eso at ultra with 60-80 fps, now only the 970 equipped can.
Any thoughts?

I don't see a link immediately between the multicore update and the sudden 1minute stalls but you can start troubleshooting by forcing everything on 1 main core just like before the update by manually editing the usersettings file on the problem laptop. I suggest you start there. If it's really because of that (however possible) it should also solve it

IsharaMeradin · May 2018

Well, I like that some things which were not rendering now are. i.e. there are no longer gaps under buildings and walls. However, more graphical oddities have appeared since Summerset was released on PC.

Today alone I noticed the following while collecting treasure and survey maps:
Bleakrock Isle - camera performed a weird zoom as I jumped across the ice blocks to reach the map location. Did this while on mount and while on foot. While in air it would zoom in, when I landed it would zoom back out. Very annoying when jumping quickly.
Craglorn - Sitting still the trees would flicker in a rotating pattern. One tree at a time in rapid succession. It almost appeared to be a type of z-fighting between the LOD and close up textures, but cannot say for certain.

On an earlier day I noted an entire room the while visible from the hallway would render itself invisible once stepped inside. If it weren't for a minimap addon, it would have been difficult figuring out how to get through the nothingness (which still had collision at any obstacle locations) to the visible hallway on the other side.