Why is Sload's still not nerfed?
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
dk like templar in overall arnt created to run from fights righ? they jsut dont have tools to run but can be really tankly
I on nb have literally *** healing so cloak was really my main defense with very low health, yes, I based on high damage to kill someone fast but since gankers got many nerfs and was many buffs in overall to survivability like sets for defense or reduce your opponents damage its hard to kill someone very tankly without using proc sets if you are this "dying player race" to who cancer builds are just not fit
I as this player who dont play meta because dont fit to my gameplay with every patch I getting more disadvantage because of newest broken sets
and dont say mdk is weak..as for duel it isnt called for nothing god of duels in over maybe 2 years?
Magicka DK isn't weak, but neither is a stamblade. "Created to run from fights"? Right. That's just your mindset.
yeah they arnt weak, but difference is even with killing dk is hard to kill because of his tools to survive with tankly build
my stamblade..uhh, it had 16.5k health on non cp before summers...now it have 15.8k for no reason and set breaking my cloak
my stamblade in overall isnt weak...but its easy af to kill with just this sload becaus eas I wrote before it cut off all of my main defense which also wasnt always guaranteed0 -
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
dk like templar in overall arnt created to run from fights righ? they jsut dont have tools to run but can be really tankly
I on nb have literally *** healing so cloak was really my main defense with very low health, yes, I based on high damage to kill someone fast but since gankers got many nerfs and was many buffs in overall to survivability like sets for defense or reduce your opponents damage its hard to kill someone very tankly without using proc sets if you are this "dying player race" to who cancer builds are just not fit
I as this player who dont play meta because dont fit to my gameplay with every patch I getting more disadvantage because of newest broken sets
and dont say mdk is weak..as for duel it isnt called for nothing god of duels in over maybe 2 years?
Magicka DK isn't weak, but neither is a stamblade. "Created to run from fights"? Right. That's just your mindset.
yeah they arnt weak, but difference is even with killing dk is hard to kill because of his tools to survive with tankly build
my stamblade..uhh, it had 16.5k health on non cp before summers...now it have 15.8k for no reason and set breaking my cloak
my stamblade in overall isnt weak...but its easy af to kill with just this sload becaus eas I wrote before it cut off all of my main defense which also wasnt always guaranteed
You should increase your health then, 15.8k is way too low even for Non-CP3 -
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
dk like templar in overall arnt created to run from fights righ? they jsut dont have tools to run but can be really tankly
I on nb have literally *** healing so cloak was really my main defense with very low health, yes, I based on high damage to kill someone fast but since gankers got many nerfs and was many buffs in overall to survivability like sets for defense or reduce your opponents damage its hard to kill someone very tankly without using proc sets if you are this "dying player race" to who cancer builds are just not fit
I as this player who dont play meta because dont fit to my gameplay with every patch I getting more disadvantage because of newest broken sets
and dont say mdk is weak..as for duel it isnt called for nothing god of duels in over maybe 2 years?
Magicka DK isn't weak, but neither is a stamblade. "Created to run from fights"? Right. That's just your mindset.
yeah they arnt weak, but difference is even with killing dk is hard to kill because of his tools to survive with tankly build
my stamblade..uhh, it had 16.5k health on non cp before summers...now it have 15.8k for no reason and set breaking my cloak
my stamblade in overall isnt weak...but its easy af to kill with just this sload becaus eas I wrote before it cut off all of my main defense which also wasnt always guaranteed
You should increase your health then, 15.8k is way too low even for Non-CP
I know, as I wrote and its not only my problem..just afte summers patch health of many players has dropped by 400-800 and thats with me, I had close to 17k, I know its still to low but at all dont know how to increase it more...only option I see I can do it sacrifacing my stamina which at all now have low on noncp because I using drink for stam and mag regens as I cant play without regens, dont know how to play without them in nonheavy armor0 -
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
dk like templar in overall arnt created to run from fights righ? they jsut dont have tools to run but can be really tankly
I on nb have literally *** healing so cloak was really my main defense with very low health, yes, I based on high damage to kill someone fast but since gankers got many nerfs and was many buffs in overall to survivability like sets for defense or reduce your opponents damage its hard to kill someone very tankly without using proc sets if you are this "dying player race" to who cancer builds are just not fit
I as this player who dont play meta because dont fit to my gameplay with every patch I getting more disadvantage because of newest broken sets
and dont say mdk is weak..as for duel it isnt called for nothing god of duels in over maybe 2 years?
Magicka DK isn't weak, but neither is a stamblade. "Created to run from fights"? Right. That's just your mindset.
yeah they arnt weak, but difference is even with killing dk is hard to kill because of his tools to survive with tankly build
my stamblade..uhh, it had 16.5k health on non cp before summers...now it have 15.8k for no reason and set breaking my cloak
my stamblade in overall isnt weak...but its easy af to kill with just this sload becaus eas I wrote before it cut off all of my main defense which also wasnt always guaranteed
You should increase your health then, 15.8k is way too low even for Non-CP
I know, as I wrote and its not only my problem..just afte summers patch health of many players has dropped by 400-800 and thats with me, I had close to 17k, I know its still to low but at all dont know how to increase it more...only option I see I can do it sacrifacing my stamina which at all now have low on noncp because I using drink for stam and mag regens as I cant play without regens, dont know how to play without them in nonheavy armor
Use jewels of misrule it gives mag+stam regen and max health0 -
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✭✭There are some OP sets that months and even years passed and ZOS never made any balance changes, examples: Zaan, Shield breaker.
If ZOS will do any balance change it will likely be in the next update, almost 3 months from now.
Oblivion damage is terrible for this game, especially when there is no cooldown(shield breaker) and when multiple oblivion damage sources are combined by using several sets, not to mention the normal damage+all the oblivion damage is through the roof.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you please answer if there is going to be an item sets balance patch in the near future ?
If not, kindly consider making one since there is a great need for it.
Thanks
Edited by Universe on May 29, 2018 11:27AMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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✭✭✭✭Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.Edited by Ragnarock41 on May 29, 2018 2:11PM4 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Btw to those DKS who dont know it you can reflect it: Inb4 double sload DK build
"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭BigBadVolk wrote: »Btw to those DKS who dont know it you can reflect it: Inb4 double sload DK build
You can proc sloads via wings reflect but you can't reflect the actual proc atleast i haven't been able to do so i got sloaded all the time with wings up while a friend of mine who uses sloads procced it on others with the reflect.0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭BigBadVolk wrote: »Btw to those DKS who dont know it you can reflect it: Inb4 double sload DK build
You can proc sloads via wings reflect but you can't reflect the actual proc atleast i haven't been able to do so i got sloaded all the time with wings up while a friend of mine who uses sloads procced it on others with the reflect.
hmmm, maybe then that DK run that not sure but I usually got that *** when my dots came back to me (maybe a new pug its possible or maybe not)Edited by BigBadVolk on May 29, 2018 2:48PM"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?1 -
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✭✭To be honest, ZOS needs consistency with these sets. While I don't think the set is the end of the world, logically I have issues with it. A set like Syvarra scales has a 5% chance 6 sec proc and 6.5 sec cooldown, but this set has a 10% chance, 6 second proc, 6 second cooldown. What was the logic behind putting that restriction on Syvarra and why does it not apply to Sload's? I know one is an AoE and the other is not, but the uptime and effectiveness is nowhere near the same.0 -
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✭✭BigBadVolk wrote: »BigBadVolk wrote: »Btw to those DKS who dont know it you can reflect it: Inb4 double sload DK build
You can proc sloads via wings reflect but you can't reflect the actual proc atleast i haven't been able to do so i got sloaded all the time with wings up while a friend of mine who uses sloads procced it on others with the reflect.
hmmm, maybe then that DK run that not sure but I usually got that *** when my dots came back to me (maybe a new pug its possible or maybe not)BigBadVolk wrote: »BigBadVolk wrote: »Btw to those DKS who dont know it you can reflect it: Inb4 double sload DK build
You can proc sloads via wings reflect but you can't reflect the actual proc atleast i haven't been able to do so i got sloaded all the time with wings up while a friend of mine who uses sloads procced it on others with the reflect.
hmmm, maybe then that DK run that not sure but I usually got that *** when my dots came back to me (maybe a new pug its possible or maybe not)
I don't play sloads and didn't proc it on anyone, a friend of mine who runs it procced it multiple times while running away from zergs with shield ult of wings reflect1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.Edited by Ragnarock41 on May 29, 2018 4:47PM1 -
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✭✭✭Ok lets look at some stuff here
against a stam with 56 in ele defender, 51 in ironclad with 0 spell and crit resist not blocking
https://jscalc.io/calc/fiasVNPSGsOdmsF6 <- damage mitigation calc
slaods does 850 over 7 seconds that 5950 damage total
my meteor tooltips for 17.8k double for crit thats 35.6k , will hit this player for 3.8k if it crits
over 7 sec that meteor adds 542 damage to that player (63.5% of sloads damage)
calurron tooltips fot 12k double for crit thats 24k, will hit this player if it crits for 2.5k
over 7 seconds that adds 357 damage to that player (42% of sloads)
destro ult strongest dot i can think of comes in with 10k damage ever 1 second, double for crit thats 20k every second will hit this player for 2.1k every second if it crits (247% of sloads damgage)
but thats and ultimate with a cost of 213
just light attacking attacking building enough 213 ult takes me 1 min 10 sec so to get 2 ults off completely it will take me 77 second roughtly
so 2.1k over those 77 seconds is 27.2 damage the destro ulti adds every one second to this player
sloads can proc again immediately
850 everyone second, sloads can proc 11 times in the 77 seconds it takes to get off 2 desrtos
so if you account the time it takes to even bring out 2 desrto ults you find that the destro ult is 3.2% of the damage sloads can do 0 -
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.0 -
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✭✭✭Ok lets look at some stuff here
against a stam with 56 in ele defender, 51 in ironclad with 0 spell and crit resist not blocking
https://jscalc.io/calc/fiasVNPSGsOdmsF6 <- damage mitigation calc
slaods does 850 over 7 seconds that 5950 damage total
my meteor tooltips for 17.8k double for crit thats 35.6k , will hit this player for 3.8k if it crits
over 7 sec that meteor adds 542 damage to that player (63.5% of sloads damage)
calurron tooltips fot 12k double for crit thats 24k, will hit this player if it crits for 2.5k
over 7 seconds that adds 357 damage to that player (42% of sloads)
destro ult strongest dot i can think of comes in with 10k damage ever 1 second, double for crit thats 20k every second will hit this player for 2.1k every second if it crits (247% of sloads damgage)
but thats and ultimate with a cost of 213
just light attacking attacking building enough 213 ult takes me 1 min 10 sec so to get 2 ults off completely it will take me 77 second roughtly
so 2.1k over those 77 seconds is 27.2 damage the destro ulti adds every one second to this player
sloads can proc again immediately
850 everyone second, sloads can proc 11 times in the 77 seconds it takes to get off 2 desrtos
so if you account the time it takes to even bring out 2 desrto ults you find that the destro ult is 3.2% of the damage sloads can do
make a mistake, forgot to add in the damage from the second destro, the time it takes to get off to destros included the damage from those 2 destros is actually 6.4% of the damage of sloads 0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.
yes Im stamblade....and just sload mechanic is killing me nonstop and really for me in bg's its very rare to not get sload in death recap0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.
yes Im stamblade....and just sload mechanic is killing me nonstop and really for me in bg's its very rare to not get sload in death recap
So you're going to have to actually play like the rest of us now. I wish you good luck.1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.
yes Im stamblade....and just sload mechanic is killing me nonstop and really for me in bg's its very rare to not get sload in death recap
So you're going to have to actually play like the rest of us now. I wish you good luck.
so drop medium with low health and go on heavy and 2nd morph of cloak to healing? ehh just gg nice work ZOS
not funny, forcing people even more to go on heavy armor because medium armor is to squishy end even big buffs wont help to make medium viable with things like sload if you dont want overpower on max this mediuma rmor0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.
I mean You know it was 1st week of the update on PC only ? For example when viper was changed to its cancerous version in Dark Brotherhood it took few months before it blew up into meta in One Tamriel but when it did well we all know what happened. Both things that maded viper lurking so long in the shadows are now vastly improved and meta setups are reaching daylight much faster when things are settling down. Come here back in 3-4 weeks claiming You've encountered Sload's just once per week.2 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Your logic wants to totally cover up fact that skill gap is the main thing in every competitive online game and without it this is just game with brainless mashing of the buttons and counting You'll get lucky 1st.Yes I am entitled to kill certain amount of potatoes.
Can you show me a successful competitive online game where top players and noobs get put in the same arena for the laters to get slaughtered 100 times out of 100 ?
You should be thankful that going out in Cyrodiil to hunt potatoes as a sport is even possible, because you are not going to do that in LoL/DotA/Overwatch and whatever Diamond League you think to be part of.
Umm like almost every online game . Look what is happening in Fortnite for example. If You're top player You can slaughter 1/5 of all players in the match sometimes by 1vXing them. Even between "top players" there is always skill gap which decides or alteast should decide who'll win.
What you all forget here is that ESO is not a competitive game and it will NEVER be one, because of this comparing eso to games like league or dota or cs:go is wrong on that aspect... And even in those games you can make a fresh account and farm noobs 7/24. Hell, I can join a public server in CS:GO and create absolute chaos and imbalance because I'm sitting at supreme rank with maybe 15+ years of counter strike experience, while people in those servers are usually dmg or even lower ranked.
You can't make a matchmaking system in a game that is not built based on competitive play. Which is why games like fortnite or pubg or planetside or battlefield etc does not have any ranking systems. Its fine that a high skill player is able to farm newbies. This does not stop a good game from being popular.
If a game is skill based, those players who are getting farmed will eventually learn how to play. But if those players find what they seek in a crutch set like black rose, viper, sloads etc.. they will get a false feeling of ''getting gud'', and when that crutch is taken away from them, they will be back where they were first, at bottom tier, which is where they deserve for the effort they put in.
Which will cause them to quit the game, and which is exactly what was happened after proc nerfs.
or the classes that ppl like to play get *** on so hard they cant play them by anyone running this set
why would i play a mag sorc, even if it my favorite class if it is at a sever disadvantage to anyone running this?
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I dont know how its on cyro but I can tell you how its on bg's
almsot everyone now running with it and my gameplay on bg's is 100% out if I will get enemies with sload, I hace no any option counter this and dot say me about purge...because its not effective as also everyone are spamming dot and ofc many different debiffs with it so its an miracle if purge will get rin of sload in jsut 2 casts
are you a stamblade main by any change? in the last week I only encountered sloads once. Just once.
I mean You know it was 1st week of the update on PC only ? For example when viper was changed to its cancerous version in Dark Brotherhood it took few months before it blew up into meta in One Tamriel but when it did well we all know what happened. Both things that maded viper lurking so long in the shadows are now vastly improved and meta setups are reaching daylight much faster when things are settling down. Come here back in 3-4 weeks claiming You've encountered Sload's just once per week.
Tbh I met a few (sometimes the same) with sloads in bg, even my last match today consisted of all three teams slotted sloads in Chaos Ball its funny a bit, it will soon become pvps Acuity "The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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CaliMade✭✭✭✭
@Blobsky
You failed all of us rational and non biased minds by posting this here.
ZOS only comes to threads to stop people from being toxic.
These forums are busted and this game is busted.
Nobody on these forums has the ability to see the bigger picture.
Half the kids Only see things through a straw attached to the map legend
With sets like Sloads, Zaan, Shieldbreaker, Cauulrions(spelling), fassalas, and duroks bane.
With skills like cloak, Reverb, incap, and soul assault, bleeds.
Clearly indefensible sets and mechanics
Un-counterable, un-mitigatable damage...Is busted, was busted, and will always be busted
jokers saying AOE stops it not realizing that there are players smarter than them that actually have the mental capacity to not use somthing that hits multiple targets. When useing a set that you only want to effect one person.
There is no reasoning with people here, and the devs dont listen because they dont really care about this game. All they want is for that paycheck at the end of the week. So they can feed thier kids. They truly are not worried about wether pvp is skilled or not.
Ill tell you what i tell all my friends and myself when we complain about video games.
Does it make you mad? Is it game breaking TO YOU?
Does it make you want to stop playing? If so, the dont.
Go play fortnite,Look at SypherPK, he dropped eso and now he is doing better than ever, i suggest you do the same.
I myself am about this > || < close to deleting this game. And every week i play less and less one 16k Zaan at a time.
XB1 GT- Cali Made
Praetorian Stam DK Redguard
Brigadier Stam/magblade (whatever i feel like running) Redguard
Major Mag DK Dark Elf
lieutenant Mag/stamplar (whatever i feel like running) Redguard1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Blobsky
You failed all of us rational and non biased minds by posting this here.
ZOS only comes to threads to stop people from being toxic.
These forums are busted and this game is busted.
Nobody on these forums has the ability to see the bigger picture.
Half the kids Only see things through a straw attached to the map legend
With sets like Sloads, Zaan, Shieldbreaker, Cauulrions(spelling), fassalas, and duroks bane.
With skills like cloak, Reverb, incap, and soul assault, bleeds.
Clearly indefensible sets and mechanics
Un-counterable, un-mitigatable damage...Is busted, was busted, and will always be busted
jokers saying AOE stops it not realizing that there are players smarter than them that actually have the mental capacity to not use somthing that hits multiple targets. When useing a set that you only want to effect one person.
There is no reasoning with people here, and the devs dont listen because they dont really care about this game. All they want is for that paycheck at the end of the week. So they can feed thier kids. They truly are not worried about wether pvp is skilled or not.
Ill tell you what i tell all my friends and myself when we complain about video games.
Does it make you mad? Is it game breaking TO YOU?
Does it make you want to stop playing? If so, the dont.
Go play fortnite,Look at SypherPK, he dropped eso and now he is doing better than ever, i suggest you do the same.
I myself am about this > || < close to deleting this game. And every week i play less and less one 16k Zaan at a time.
if you make your build to include defenses and you balance your build it can handle ALL of the problems you are mentioning.
people are used to Gank Builds and builds that have no proper "purge" skill and that purge can remove all of the things your talking about as well as build your defenses to handle some attacks instead of able to kill people in just a few seconds.
too many builds have been made and rely on pure instant Gank Death of your enemy rather then the ability to let the fight actually have a few minutes of surviving your enemies attacks as well as your enemy surviving Your attacks.
make some adjustments to your build, slot purge and look for better ways to handle the fight every single patch, because every new patch is more changes. just make adjustments and slot purge, i did it, we all have to do it, it really is just that simple.0 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
as far as I see both magsorcs an stamblades are DOMINATING in open world. If they will quit because of sloads I can not help but laugh at their incompetence. At morrowind both stamplars and stamDKs became literally bottom tier just to make stamden look nice and promote sales.
And now here you are complaining about a single set making your class unplayable. Do you see the irony in this?
PS: I do not support low effort playstyles like this. My point is that there are people playing classes in much worse state due to their passion.
I mean, they are the best classes for solo PvP, so the best hardcore solo players are going to use them. They are the best at bursting potatoes and escaping zergs. You can be far less picky with fights since you can always reset, as opposed to run back as a mDK that gets zerged. It's more accurate to say that most dominant hardcore solo players are playing mag sorc/stamblade.
I'm a magsorc main, and I've always supported any positive changes to DK and templar so long as they were reasonable. Ex. I am not for infinite projectile wings or the old repentance. However, I would support a cost decrease in wings with 1 second less uptime and Repentance returning stamina to every friendly Templar that has the skill slotted.
I am hardly effected by Major Defile uptime (which heavily effects stamina but hardly shield stacking magsorcs), but I 100% believe the uptime needs to be significantly decreased. Whats the counter? Give me 100% uptime on Major Mending that does not require me to do anything outside my regular offensive rotation and only than can you say Major Defile is balanced.
I'll shelf my magsorc when SS drops for console. admittedly not because of Sloads but because I love DW, which is dead come SS. Sloads just means I won't even take my msorc out for a nostalgic spin.0