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DoctorESO · May 2018

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Aliyavana · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

I wouldnt risk anything till zos says otherwise but i would like it to be Yes. I tried asking Gina in today's eso live but zos is still silent on the matter.

DoctorESO · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

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DeadlyPhoenix · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

I don't see them saying it isn't allowed so, yes it is. They know people are going to do it anyway, they're just gonna see if they can use it to their advantage. Allow some to do it and ban ones they dont like.

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

RMT = ban.

trade
1.
the action of buying and selling goods and services.

DoctorESO · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

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Tandor · May 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Seems the majority of people so far think it's allowed.

Look beyond their votes. Two people (including you) hope it's allowed, one hasn't seen ZOS say that it isn't allowed. That's three people (including you) in total, with a fourth person quoting the terms of service in support of it not being allowed.

Hardly a ringing endorsement for the practice! Nor is it an indication that "the majority of people so far think it's allowed."

Why not put in a ticket or PM Gina and ask?

Colecovision · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

RMT = ban.

trade
1.
the action of buying and selling goods and services.

I interpret that to mean that players can't get paid real money.

Player 1 gives zos money
Zos gives player 2 item
Player 2 gives player 1 in game gold

The end result is that zos got money for a crown item. Gold earned in the game changed hands from one player to another. It's not a rmt between 2 players if neither player walks away with any money.

rfennell_ESO · May 2018

With the gifting system being crown (or crown purchased I assume) specific, there isn't a way for gold selling to turn into real cash.

Unless there is an angle I don't see, iit actually will mostly eliminate gold farmers and selling as it can be done entirely through ZOS' system.

I guess the question is did ZOS "rule" anything about selling crown items for in game currency. ie "gifting" for gold prohibition.

Tandor · May 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

With the gifting system being crown (or crown purchased I assume) specific, there isn't a way for gold selling to turn into real cash.

Unless there is an angle I don't see, iit actually will mostly eliminate gold farmers and selling as it can be done entirely through ZOS' system.

I guess the question is did ZOS "rule" anything about selling crown items for in game currency. ie "gifting" for gold prohibition.

It depends on what gold sellers charge for gold in relation to the cost of crowns. If someone can buy the necessary gold with which to trade for a crown store item cheaper than they can buy the crowns with which to buy it direct from the crown store, then there's your missing angle. The person "gifting" the crown store item won't be turning it into real money, but the gold he receives for it could have been bought with real money.

Gargath · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

Who cares is it allowed or not. You can live and play well without such knowledge and actions.

I'm sure though it's not allowed.

rfennell_ESO · May 2018

Tandor wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

With the gifting system being crown (or crown purchased I assume) specific, there isn't a way for gold selling to turn into real cash.

Unless there is an angle I don't see, iit actually will mostly eliminate gold farmers and selling as it can be done entirely through ZOS' system.

I guess the question is did ZOS "rule" anything about selling crown items for in game currency. ie "gifting" for gold prohibition.

It depends on what gold sellers charge for gold in relation to the cost of crowns. If someone can buy the necessary gold with which to trade for a crown store item cheaper than they can buy the crowns with which to buy it direct from the crown store, then there's your missing angle. The person "gifting" the crown store item won't be turning it into real money, but the gold he receives for it could have been bought with real money.

The angle I was referring to was how to turn crowns into $.

If you are buying gold, you know there are risks... you getting hacked, you getting banned, you getting scammed.

It will devalue farmed gold for cash greatly (in truth I really don't know if gold selling is even a thing anymore).

I guess technically they can just sell crowns at a lower rate for cash.

Firemantim · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

I think it shouldn't necessarily be against the rules, but it's still something most people shouldn't do just because of the chance that they get screwed over.

VaranisArano · May 2018

I'm not gonna be the first one to try it out, that's for sure.

Gilvoth · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

i wish it was allowed and i had plans to buy crowns for people and Make "Good Gold Fast" but, sadly, zenimax has not told us if it is allowed or Not allowed and i have found when THAT question arrises it is allways the "no it's not allowed" is the answer.
in addition to that, i saw this post and it made me realize it is infact a very bad idea ...

QUOTE:

@sylviermoone wrote: »
Interestingly, ZOS has already made a ruling on a similar case. A few years ago, people would donate items like game time cards, base game codes and rare pet codes to Guild Leaders for use as auction items and/or raffle prizes. ZOS decided this practice was against TOS, and sent warning mails and even handed out temporary bans for some. Some less scrupulous GM's would report other GM'S for this a day or so before bids closed as a way to grief them, since a banned GM wouldn't be able to log on and ensure that their guild got a kiosk that week. This was back when most GM's dropped their full bid for the week in the seconds before bids closed in order to not get bid-spied.

Anyway, ZOS's reasoning for disallowing this was that this practice is technically gold selling. When you exchange an item that has real world monetary value for in game currency, you are participating in an act of gold selling and violating TOS according to their own interpretation of the TOS.

I do think that for clarity's sake, ZOS should officially announce that they view crown item-to-gold trades in this light, as gold selling and a violation of TOS. If they do not, they should remove the restriction that would cause a GM to get a warning or temp ban for auctioning or raffling crown store items. Either way, it is incredibly important that ZOS is consistent in how it interprets its own TOS.

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Conclusion:
we will just have to wait for another way to earn ingame gold easily for those of us who live perminanty in cryodiil.
i just hope one day we could sell crown store items for gold as that would make life a whole lot easier for us pvp only players.
but right now it does look like it was not intended and might get you a ban if attempt it.

so, be wise, and don't do it.

driosketch · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

I'm thinking they might turn a blind eye to it, but if you actually press them on it, they're most likely to say it's not allowed.

SugaComa · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

I would say yes ...

Noone is getting real money rich ... All transactions are staying with in the ESO economic system.

Tandor · May 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

With the gifting system being crown (or crown purchased I assume) specific, there isn't a way for gold selling to turn into real cash.

Unless there is an angle I don't see, iit actually will mostly eliminate gold farmers and selling as it can be done entirely through ZOS' system.

I guess the question is did ZOS "rule" anything about selling crown items for in game currency. ie "gifting" for gold prohibition.

It depends on what gold sellers charge for gold in relation to the cost of crowns. If someone can buy the necessary gold with which to trade for a crown store item cheaper than they can buy the crowns with which to buy it direct from the crown store, then there's your missing angle. The person "gifting" the crown store item won't be turning it into real money, but the gold he receives for it could have been bought with real money.

The angle I was referring to was how to turn crowns into $.

If you are buying gold, you know there are risks... you getting hacked, you getting banned, you getting scammed.

It will devalue farmed gold for cash greatly (in truth I really don't know if gold selling is even a thing anymore).

I guess technically they can just sell crowns at a lower rate for cash.

It's not just the player buying the gold who is taking the risk, someone selling crown store items for illicitly bought gold may also be caught up in the investigative chain.

The original concepts of a generous player wanting to gift something to a less well-off friend, or a proactive GM wanting to offer prizes for guild raffles or contests etc were good ones, but once it switches from being "gifting" to "selling for gold" it becomes extremely dubious and undesirable in my view.

Valen_Byte · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

Zos knew what the players would do with this system. There are no surprises here. They are just fine with us selling crown items for in game gold. Otherwise, we would not be able to do it.

rafaelcsmaia · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

It all comes down to who profits in this pseudo rmt.

If people trade gold for crowns, someone paid zos for them, zos profits

If ppl sell gold in the black market, only they profit, zos loses

Imo they can't be that much oblivious that ppl would make those kind of transactions, they just don't care since they will profit anyway.

forwardbias83 · May 2018

I am assuming the reason why 3rd party RMT is bannable is because the 3rd party is making money and not the game developer, and the 3rd party does not have a license to be selling stuff related to the game be it currency, items, etc. Now if you look at the tokens that WOW introduced, that is different, they were made by the game developer and they get money when people purchase them and then trade them for gold. It is RMT, but the developer gets the money in those transactions, and not some 3rd party. It would be like if you were printing shirts with trademarked company logos and you were selling them to make money for yourself. It is a loss to the trademarked company.

The reason why gifting for gold is in a grey area right now in this game. Is probably because they know people are going to do it, and it could mean an increase in crown sales, for people that want to get gold. However it could be a double edged sword. If people scam the system, offering crown store items, but taking the persons gold and not gifting the item. If that becomes a large problem, that would mean the admins being bogged down by large amounts of complaint tickets. Example: "I sent [Player] 5 million gold for [Crown store item] and they never gifted me the item!" Imagine being an admin and getting 100 of those each work day. Meanwhile someone that can't play the game because they get an error code, or their char is stuck in a loop. Has a much longer wait time for a response/fix, because the admins are tied up with so many scam complaints. Could result in bad PR, people quitting or not trying the game and a loss of customers/potential customers.

If it becomes an issue that people are abusing it as a way to scam people out of their gold, they will likely announce that gifting for gold is prohibited. For now though it seems they are testing the waters of the gifting system, and thus have not announced if gifting for gold is prohibited or not.

templesus · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

Lmao who cares. It doesnt hurt me if the person next to me buys gold. Idk why anyone would have a problem with it.

Yzalirk · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

If ZOS officially adds it, I do not see it as bannable behavior. I highly doubt they have any intention on setting up players.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

In the end ZoS gets the

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLFB25CT5k8

and doesn't care what happens after that

Beardimus · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

DoctorESO wrote: »

Seems the majority of people so far think it's allowed.

Lol hardly a significant sample pool, and this is people hoping as opposed to knowing.

In my view its a ban but tell you what Doctor why don't you just try and if you get banned we'll all know.

FYI you say you don't have time to farm gold? Honestly trading properly take very little admin time each week to make an OK amount. Seriously hitting a few million can be pretty casual. If you are talking wanting 100 million then yeah that's a time burn.

When ZOS legitimize a switch or IRL money for in game Gold will be a dark day indeed. I'd prefer they keep it unknown as once endorsed its a slippery slope and i personally will start to go off the game.

Seriously tho who needs it. Making gold is so easy. People are lazy.

mesmerizedish · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

ZOS’s refusal to actually say one way or the other is a tacit acknowledgement that the behavior is expected.

It absolutely shouldn’t be allowed; it will only lead to runaway inflation of an mmo economy that has remained remarkably stable. But if they did plan on preventing or punishing it, they wouldn’t be so insistent on silence.

Vaoh · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

It sucks but I don’t see how it’s not allowed. ZOS can’t stop players from making use of the system in this way.

And believe me, people will do it a lot.

DivineFirstYOLO · May 2018

As far as I know it is NOT allowed and will be handled like gold selling... but I wish it would be allowed...have so much gold and so few costumes/mounts..

Orticia · May 2018

No, it is not allowed

Allowed not really, though I doubt people will get banned over it... I think this trading is accepted as an unintended side-effect but not endorsed or supported in any way.

The lack of any fail safe trading store items for gold instead of one way street gifting makes me go, basically not allowed but unavoidable that some will use it this way. So use at your own risk, ZoS will take no responsibility for any losses, as they didn't explicitly allowed it. Also why I expect never to get a clear it is allowed mention I think, as that would mean we might hold them responsible for misuse as they allowed it and put it in the game.

swippy · May 2018

Yes, it is allowed

"that which is not forbidden is compulsory" haha

if they still can't be bothered to respond to the huge demand for an answer to this question, then it'd be foolish of them to expect any forthcoming related disciplinary actions to go unchallenged, legally.

kaiage · May 2018

no. it would devalue gold to make it worth the same as wretched, unneccessary, obnoxious, and abhorrent, real world currency.

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