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sloads is broken, like old viper. please nerf
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get some sort of comment on this? plz there is 3 threads at least about this with people wanting this nerfed and there has been no remark made yet0 -
mikey_reach✭✭✭Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
Ive been saying the same thing you know something is unbalanced when it makes cloak and medium armor obsolete and sure people will even then try to say well sorcs get wreck by it too, well at least the shields protect you from every other source of damage if you get sloaded in medium that's it you die quick as a stamblade i have to completely stop what im doing just to recover from the set because if i dont, that combined with other attacks and defile will wreck you. From a pvp perspective there's no reason to craft juli hundings axiom because those are stats for yourself that can be debuffed. Sload on the other hand is unresistable free damage that's not just for yourself but friends can burst from your proc unlike static sets its also a strong utility set good against tanks shields and cloak. And if that wasnt enough unlike juli hundings and axiom sload gets stronger in no cp and bgs. #sloadisunbalancedchangemymindEdited by mikey_reach on May 25, 2018 3:20AM4 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades
lmao.. yes NB's are very weak atm
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I rather have sloads ticking my health away then dying instant by a caluurion/zaan combination (or separate)
Sloads does only 5k damage in 6 secs. Easily outhealed. Shieldbreaker is more menacing.
I think I might craft one myself in combination with shagglebreaker or torugs.
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Post proof it's proccing on everything.
If you cant, it isn't.
And if you cant defend against that much damage then you have no right to complain.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on May 25, 2018 5:31AM3 -
Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades
lmao.. yes NB's are very weak atm
The guy you quoted was the first person voting in the "Which class is in most need of a buff" - thread. Guess what he voted for ? Stamblade!
He's just living in his own world, completely out of touch with the game.Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy11 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Post proof it's proccing on everything.
If you cant, it isn't.
And if you cant defend against that much damage then you have no right to complain.5 items: Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 24-853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.
It procs on all and every damage done. The tooltip already says so.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades
@dwemer_paleologist unless your a heavy armor with troll king who just lols at sload
Seriously if a nightblade needs cloak to stay alive in a 1vs1 or a 1vs2 his build needs work..Edited by IlCanis_LupuslI on May 25, 2018 8:09AM
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Shadowmaster✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades
Agreed. Shieldbreaker doesn't remove one's ability to cast shields at all. Knight Slayer doesn't force one to drop block. Neither of those sets disable the target's means of mitigating all other damage, but Sload's does that with cloak. @ZOS_Wrobel
Im absolutely shocked to see you main a NB. I mean who would have guessed you would defend cloak being an "I like to avoid everything" skill.
I also main a NB but you are just being biased.6 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Will continue to be OP until the next patch where they nerf it and release a new OP set so everyone can buy the DLC
Rinse, repeat
Lol it’s a craftable set.
You only need to be in a good trading guild like TTG, or simply have a frined that can port you in the leader’s mansion.
All great trading guilds have all craftable set stations in the guild house.2 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm fine with it damaging through cloak but it shouldn't break cloak.It doesn't stop you from shielding shouldn't stop you from cloaking.3 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭tbh a lot of sets need to be reworked, sloads isnt terrible when its just one person uses it but once it starts to stack from multiple people you feel it
I think that's good, now the solo sorc with stacked shields should feel pressured if he gets some dots on him and not sit on full health as he picks off individuals.Breakfast KingPS4 EU4 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash1 -
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✭I'm LOLing hard to the fact that a lot of people who commented (console/in bad faith players?) are ignoring the fact that this set, paired with master axes/viper (for no CP)/other sources of dots and defile literally melts everything. Every class except magsorc has access to dots and defile, without even considering poisons. In pc EU, every decent player and their mothers are running this set. Any class except magsorc (who really do not need it) will deal you oblivion damage. Everyone. Good luck trying to out heal that. Again, do consider the problem is not the set alone, but what you can build with it.
Proc sets are bad for the game as they remove the need of skill to get kills, and ruin the pvp experience for everyone. Didn't 1T teach you anything, zos? Give us more stat sets, not this cancer please.5 -
PapaWeeb✭✭✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »Learn to play mate. If you are getting killed by a very low damage DOT in PVP either you have a pure glass cannon build without defenses (slot a HoT to out heal the damage) or you are trying to 1vX in a situation which requires you to be dead. Either way the set is a niche one for certain builds and not even remotely close to being overpowered.
Without defences? Sload's bypasses defences, it makes no difference. I'd argue glass cannons take it best, because they have stronger heals. My magdk who spec'd into resistances and blocking gets nothing to counter that.
Any idiot zergling hits you with it, while defiled, and you're gonna sufferPC EU1 -
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✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
Yeah I think it's dumb that jabs are considered a DoT. When I say DoT I mean what every other game considers a DoT; which is an attack that places a damage over time effect on the effected target. Such as bleeds, burning embers, poison injection, etc.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
Or 3) they recognize it's power, but understand that there are more powerful proc sets in this game such as Earthgore, Zaan, and Caluurion. If Sloads' gets nerfed so should these other sets (I prefer a game without proc sets personally).
If you think Sloads' is worse than these than you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) are a magsorc or a Nightblade than uses shadowy disguise.5 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
I don't want it just nerfed, but completely replaced with something else. Oblivion damage is just a bad mechanic, and it creates more balance problems then it solves.
In the meantime, however, I'm going to enjoy pulling NB's out of stealth with it, but I'm sure it will only be a few days before every single Sorc hater is using it, too. This isn't my idea of what PvP should be like, though. Set procs should never overshadow abilities and ultimates; otherwise, what is the point of choosing a class? I would rather go back to boring damage and sustain sets for everybody.
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
I don't want it just nerfed, but completely replaced with something else. Oblivion damage is just a bad mechanic, and it creates more balance problems then it solves.
In the meantime, however, I'm going to enjoy pulling NB's out of stealth with it, but I'm sure it will only be a few days before every single Sorc hater is using it, too. This isn't my idea of what PvP should be like, though. Set procs should never overshadow abilities and ultimates; otherwise, what is the point of choosing a class? I would rather go back to boring damage and sustain sets for everybody.
this set causes zero problems. rally on top of vigor the damage is 100% negated and you kill the guy. magicka user......you can instantly kill the guy nearly so yea this set if anything needs buffed cause its garbage. but i do agree oblivion damage is stupid rather see like gain x amount of something just not oblivion damage cause they never add enough of it. to little oblivion damage that set does zip0 -
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Yes because viper had a higher tooltip back then, and you just said it yourself the fact that it did burst dmg made it OP, you could weave it into an ult for insane dmg. [snip]
When Viper's did 3-4k instantly it was OP, but when it was nerfed to doing the same damage over 4 seconds it became trash. Love the consistency.
[Edit to remove bait.]
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on May 25, 2018 5:41PM0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Zos still not commenting on this is very troubling to me, with all the players talking about this something really needs to be said about it1 -
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Yea from this post it looks like you don't know how math works or ingame mechanics.If someone proc Sloads on you they are still doing other damage to you at the same time, I'm not gonna proc sload than run away.Not to mention Sloads is 900 damage per second for 6 seconds which means you effective healing is reduce so lets say you do 1500 heals per second with vigor that's now reduce to 600 HPS to deal all the other damage i have on you.For example Twin slashes or PI.This isn't accounting for max points into defoul and major defile on you if so on a stam toon your healing is trash tier.DuskMarine wrote: »Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash
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DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER✭✭✭✭✭I crafted today 5 piece sloads for my stamblade and its even more broken than i ever thought. Sorcs hate me, nightblades hate me, block tanks hate me - it basicly shi*s on everything
Gonna abuse it till they fix it1 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭honestly i dont even want to play the game at this point, i love mag sorcs and this set will completely wreck pvp for me
to all the sorc haters being like good. you dont have to like sorcs play style but it is a valid one and any set that completely cripples an entire class doesn't belong in this game0 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea from this post it looks like you don't know how math works or ingame mechanics.If someone proc Sloads on you they are still doing other damage to you at the same time, I'm not gonna proc sload than run away.Not to mention Sloads is 900 damage per second for 6 seconds which means you effective healing is reduce so lets say you do 1500 heals per second with vigor that's now reduce to 600 HPS to deal all the other damage i have on you.For example Twin slashes or PI.This isn't accounting for max points into defoul and major defile on you if so on a stam toon your healing is trash tier.DuskMarine wrote: »Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash
by the time someone would kill you with sloads youd have an army on top of you in 10 seconds saving you and destroying them so whats your point??0 -
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✭✭✭✭honestly i dont even want to play the game at this point, i love mag sorcs and this set will completely wreck pvp for me
to all the sorc haters being like good. you dont have to like sorcs play style but it is a valid one and any set that completely cripples an entire class doesn't belong in this game
It could be worse, you could be wearing medium armor.5 -
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Ohh so your a zergling that's why you don't care about balance.Your not just killing someone with Sload sload just adds a huge amount of unmitigated burst to your combo.It makes it so you hitter harder by doing less.Its a set that removes counterplay and the only counter is healing and that's nothing when defile so OP.DuskMarine wrote: »
Yea from this post it looks like you don't know how math works or ingame mechanics.If someone proc Sloads on you they are still doing other damage to you at the same time, I'm not gonna proc sload than run away.Not to mention Sloads is 900 damage per second for 6 seconds which means you effective healing is reduce so lets say you do 1500 heals per second with vigor that's now reduce to 600 HPS to deal all the other damage i have on you.For example Twin slashes or PI.This isn't accounting for max points into defoul and major defile on you if so on a stam toon your healing is trash tier.DuskMarine wrote: »Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.
No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.
i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash
by the time someone would kill you with sloads youd have an army on top of you in 10 seconds saving you and destroying them so whats your point??
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Post proof it's proccing on everything.
If you cant, it isn't.
And if you cant defend against that much damage then you have no right to complain.5 items: Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 24-853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.
It procs on all and every damage done. The tooltip already says so.
Okay. Few key differences.
1. 10% chance.
2. It does a total 1K less than Viper does.
3. It is not burst damage, another round of damage cannot start until the last ends.
If you cant outheal that, per second, you suck. Period.
Oblivion damage is a necessary counter to incredible defenses in PVP. This is the set you deserve.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on May 26, 2018 4:51AM5
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