sloads is broken, like old viper. please nerf

SoggyBizkit

Last night in sotha sil I was attacking bleakers with a group. Some sorc kept on attacking me from the top and my DK wings reflected it back at him took his health down and guess what proc killed him. YES sloads. My sloads set proc from reflecting his damage lol. It felt so satisfying

ToRelax

Shanan wrote: »

classical l2p issue - sloads is fine .. the problem is most people who re complaining are going full glass cannon builds ... like magsorcs with shields only or stamblades with 18k hp and vigor only...
i have had never any problems against people who are using sloads if your build is well balanced and not full offensive mode.

Wrong, higher spell/wpn dmg and max stam/mag give better heals, which means it's easier to deal with this.

Gilvoth

templesus wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i base everything on stealth. it is my only way of life.
i have zero desire to use this set because if i hit someone with sloads set then i cannot stealth because of its DOT pulls me out of stealth and i have no ability to stealth.

in addition, the set being used against me is a nightmare, not because of its damage, no, it is because the constant DPT against me makes it so i cannot stealth.

stealth shouldnt be in the game...nobody should be able to just disappear from a fight, if you're losing you should lose

morrowind SP load screen says the following:

"there is nothing to be ashamed of nor wrong with running away or hiding from a fight you know you cannot win, it is better to escape than to die. come back when you are stronger, more prepared, and maybe even bring some friends"

there is nothing wrong with stealthing away to protect yourself, and nothing wrong with running away.

Pwnyridah

This is the answer to shield stacking sorcs. Thank you ZOS! If you nerf this set, please nerf sorc shields.

JackDaniell

brandonv516 wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Sloads is only op vs mistform... now purge is truly op.

Yeah it pretty much deads the 5 piece against a Templar. Is it intended to be purgable?

All DOTs are purgeable, sloads is a DOT. Its common knowledge that a counter to DOTs is purging but people refuse to acknowledge this and run purge. Even efficient purge works great if it removes 2 other effects instead of the DOT because it havles the remaining DOT times on you thierfore halving the damage.

If you dont use the correct counterplay things can appear op, but its simply op because your trying to fight fire with gasoline. These huge nerf threads are often a result of a majority of people trying the latter.

SASQUATCH0

yeah I’m gonna use this set. Wanna fight about it?

KingJ

Yea if you say use efficient Purge i guarantee you use Crack cocaine.Purge won't even remove the dot from a fight with my stamblade PI and debuffs would make sure sloads isn't purged and your out of magica.

generalmyrick

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i think everyone agree's that sloads is beyond broken, i dont know why this set even exists. we dont need more procs and what we for sure dont need are things without any counterplay and there is zero counterplay against someone using sloads.

everytime something fun comes out there is someone in the forums crying about nerfs.

JPcrazysquirrel3

A lot of whiny Sorcs and NBs in here.
Bunch of hypocrites.

If ZOS nerfs Sloads, so be it. But they should nerf Cloak and Sorc shields too.
(this coming from someone who mains a NB and has a Sorc)

chris25602

So I was curious and pulled a few tests. Now i am not super familiar with theory crafting and such but it seems to while yes its oblivion damage and goes through everything it also never crits which to me is the balance point. It gives an ok damage buff which will cut through everything but it is a static buff and will not crit. If it did crit it might get out of hand but as others have said if you can't self heal that's your problem.

Tonturri

I get the feeling that a lot of people are just seeing the set pop up on their death recap and assume it's the main reason why they died/lost, when in fact it 1) probably isn't and 2) death recap is a useful, but extremely limited tool.

However, I do think that if something bypasses block and shields, it probably shouldn't also ignore armor res as well. Shields - block - armor pick one to counter, maybe two. But ignoring all three is outright ridiculous.

umagon

I do not see why oblivion damage should even still exist in the game at it’s current state. Blocking was changed to remove stamina regeneration while blocking. With only really only the DK bending this rule with helping hands passive. If they wanted to counter that then why not just modify that passive and any other instances of the same type?

Armor resistance is already capped at 50% with ~33k resistance. Players with light armor using champ points, major fracture/breach, and a sharped weapon on average ignore 14k of the 33k value; with stamina players ignoring about 10k. That is without even equipping sets that specialize in armor resistance reduction. And bleeds already ignore all resistance and function as a hard counter to builds that have resistance at 33k+.

Shields just need to be critable and/or have lower scaling values per point of the resource it is scaling from. Healing and health regeneration already has a counter with defile. Other than driving dlc sells by offering more power I can not see any other practical use for oblivion damage anymore.

Lucky28

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

A lot of whiny Sorcs and NBs in here.
Bunch of hypocrites.

If ZOS nerfs Sloads, so be it. But they should nerf Cloak and Sorc shields too.
(this coming from someone who mains a NB and has a Sorc)

no you should just learn to play and not be overly reliant on proc sets. i have zero interest in returning to a damn proc meta no matter what spec it favors.

Syncronaut

I tested a sload today as stamblade and it needs a buff. Dot proc is only 10% wich is 10 out of every 100 attacks.

Wich translates in gank failure due to rng sometimes and you have to be out of stealth a bit longer to finish a target (and they can get help in meentime).

But i must say its a good revenge dot against newbies. (i seen 3 players die to dot while i just went into stealth after a failed burst)

And no i am not a vampire.

Perwulf

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

A lot of whiny Sorcs and NBs in here.
Bunch of hypocrites.

If ZOS nerfs Sloads, so be it. But they should nerf Cloak and Sorc shields too.
(this coming from someone who mains a NB and has a Sorc)

Dojohoda

It's not like viper. Viper delivered its damage all at once. Sloads is over time. Typical advice is to add a Heal-over-time to your build, or a burst heal, or perhaps stay near a Templar.

Lucky28

Dojohoda wrote: »

It's not like viper. Viper delivered its damage all at once. Sloads is over time. Typical advice is to add a Heal-over-time to your build, or a burst heal, or perhaps stay near a Templar.

Caluurion, Zaan and Sloads. it'd argue it's worse the Viper, Widow and selene's.

Strider__Roshin

Lucky28 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I should also point out that Caluurion does more damage instantly than this set does in 6 seconds.

the problem is that it's oblivion damage. Change sloads to magic damage and there you go problem solved.

So it's only okay if medium armor gets screwed? Seems to be the consensus around here. If it were up to me I would have an equal amount of medium armor (ignores dodge), heavy armor (ignores block), and light armor (ignores damage shields) counters in this game.

Currently there's an insane amount of medium armor counters, a few heavy armor counters, and almost no counters to damage shields.

I think oblivion damage sets are long overdue if you ask me. And there needs to be more oblivion damage in pve as well.

Strider__Roshin

Lucky28 wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

It's not like viper. Viper delivered its damage all at once. Sloads is over time. Typical advice is to add a Heal-over-time to your build, or a burst heal, or perhaps stay near a Templar.

Caluurion, Zaan and Sloads. it'd argue it's worse the Viper, Widow and selene's.

Agreed, but not because of the Sloads'.

Feanor

and almost no counters to damage shields

Shieldbreaker was introduced with IC, and Shattering Blows with the CP system. It’s just that complaining to get nerfs is much easier than investing into counters and deal with tradeoffs (that’s what NBs say in cloak threads, and for the record, yes remove shield stacking and give Sorcs an additional solid defense that scales better in return).

Lucky28

Daus wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I should also point out that Caluurion does more damage instantly than this set does in 6 seconds.

the problem is that it's oblivion damage. Change sloads to magic damage and there you go problem solved.

So it's only okay if medium armor gets screwed? Seems to be the consensus around here. If it were up to me I would have an equal amount of medium armor (ignores dodge), heavy armor (ignores block), and light armor (ignores damage shields) counters in this game.

Currently there's an insane amount of medium armor counters, a few heavy armor counters, and almost no counters to damage shields.

I think oblivion damage sets are long overdue if you ask me. And there needs to be more oblivion damage in pve as well.

if you're playing medium armor and are having trouble with damage shields you are doing something very wrong.

but if Sloads was magic damage, the dot would be too small that it would only be used by few people. which is great.

ezio45

against a stam with 56 in ele defender, 51 in ironclad with 0 spell and crit resist not blocking

https://jscalc.io/calc/fiasVNPSGsOdmsF6 <- damage mitigation calc

slaods does 850 over 7 seconds that 5950 damage total

my meteor tooltips for 17.8k double for crit thats 35.6k , will hit this player for 3.8k if it crits
over 7 sec that meteor adds 542 damage to that player (63.5% of sloads damage)

calurron tooltips fot 12k double for crit thats 24k, will hit this player if it crits for 2.5k
over 7 seconds that adds 357 damage to that player (42% of sloads)

destro ult strongest dot i can think of comes in with 10k damage ever 1 second, double for crit thats 20k every second will hit this player for 2.1k every second if it crits (247% of sloads damgage)

but thats and ultimate with a cost of 213
just light attacking attacking building enough 213 ult takes me 1 min 10 sec so to get 2 ults off completely it will take me 77 second roughtly

so 4.2k over those 77 seconds is 54.5 damage the destro ulti adds every one second to this player

sloads can proc again immediately
850 everyone second, sloads can proc 11 times in the 77 seconds it takes to get off 2 desrtos

so if you account the time it takes to even bring out 2 desrto ults you find that the destro ult is 6.4%% of the damage sloads can do

Zeromaz

waitwhat wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

TBH cloak is too OP anyway so a counter to it is needed.

Cloak Counters, An Incomplete List:

• Magelight
• Camo Hunter
• Piercing Mark
• Detect Pots
• Detect Poisons

Quick Cloak/Deadly Cloak
Jabs
Whirlwind
Wall of elements
Brawler
Shards

I can’t believe people are still talking about this. Cloak is countered in endless ways. If you don’t know how to counter it by now, you’re probably need to work on your ability to play

DuskMarine

KingJ wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.

No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.

i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash

Yea from this post it looks like you don't know how math works or ingame mechanics.If someone proc Sloads on you they are still doing other damage to you at the same time, I'm not gonna proc sload than run away.Not to mention Sloads is 900 damage per second for 6 seconds which means you effective healing is reduce so lets say you do 1500 heals per second with vigor that's now reduce to 600 HPS to deal all the other damage i have on you.For example Twin slashes or PI.This isn't accounting for max points into defoul and major defile on you if so on a stam toon your healing is trash tier.

i can out heal anyone using this set like breathing this sets to easy to counter. vipers was a worse threat back when it was auto damage cause it did much more than sloads. i think the only ones who think this set is an issue are sorcs(cause it can hit through their precious adorable little broken as heck shields). but when you average it in to whats already going on this set causes no problems at all period. its litterally just a super super weak viper clone.

Betsararie

All the sloads crying just makes me laugh even harder at this forum as I am VERY minimally affected by the set. The same people who daresay I need to L2P are the same ones with massive L2P and build issues who can't even handle sloads.

Lucky28

Blanco wrote: »

All the sloads crying just makes me laugh even harder at this forum as I am VERY minimally affected by the set. The same people who daresay I need to L2P are the same ones with massive L2P and build issues who can't even handle sloads.

Sloads is a zerg set. multiple people procing it on you at the same time is *** nasty. it was never about 1v1 it bypasses defenses making it 100X easier to zerg people down, that conclusion should have been obvious.

Betsararie

Lucky28 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

All the sloads crying just makes me laugh even harder at this forum as I am VERY minimally affected by the set. The same people who daresay I need to L2P are the same ones with massive L2P and build issues who can't even handle sloads.

Sloads is a zerg set. multiple people procing it on you at the same time is *** nasty. it was never about 1v1 that should have been obvious.

Maybe it was, however zerging doesn't require much skill so you won't see me talking about it very much.

For those of us who are interested in combat and small scale specifically more than zerging, the strength of sloads is being severely overstated and it is comical to say the least.

Avalon

I can see how this set could be a problem in PvP... but, it is an amazing help to hybrid builds in PvE, so, I hope if they DO nerf it, they do so ONLY for PvP. Leave it just as functional as it is right now for us PvE players, please!

ezio45

DuskMarine wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at people defending this set. Even people who openly use this set think it should be nerfed. If you’re defending this set you either 1) don’t understand much about balance or 2) secretly want sloads to stay so you can continue to crutch off it.

No exaggeration, in EVERY BGs match you get into, each team has 1-3 people using this set. It’s OP end of discussion.

i wanna see a video where that set actually wrecks cause its quite litterally useless against people with vigor on top of rally. its complete useless trash

Yea from this post it looks like you don't know how math works or ingame mechanics.If someone proc Sloads on you they are still doing other damage to you at the same time, I'm not gonna proc sload than run away.Not to mention Sloads is 900 damage per second for 6 seconds which means you effective healing is reduce so lets say you do 1500 heals per second with vigor that's now reduce to 600 HPS to deal all the other damage i have on you.For example Twin slashes or PI.This isn't accounting for max points into defoul and major defile on you if so on a stam toon your healing is trash tier.

i can out heal anyone using this set like breathing this sets to easy to counter. vipers was a worse threat back when it was auto damage cause it did much more than sloads. i think the only ones who think this set is an issue are sorcs(cause it can hit through their precious adorable little broken as heck shields). but when you average it in to whats already going on this set causes no problems at all period. its litterally just a super super weak viper clone.

viper did what, 10k direct damage? so crits for 20k

after mitigation that about 3773 if it crit over 7 seconds, 2156 for its 4 second cooldown
so over the same time frame as a sloads proc which is 7 seconds it did 539 damage averaged across those 7 second
sloads deals 853 every second for 7 seconds

viper was 63% as effective as sloads in the same time frame

so ya sloads is worst that viper

and as for my "precious adorable little broken as heck shields" you run around in light armor with 11k spell resist 9k physical resistance 16k health and your best heal is healing ward and see how long you last without a precious adorable little broken as heck shields

meduim has more resist so they dont have to skimp on resist as much as mag classes to do actual dmg, thats why EVERY mag class has some other form of defense, shields clock, heals

also god forbid anything be able to stand against your whatever your playing, sorry sorcs can actually compete with you and that you havent learned to just stun them yet, cuz by god that would take so much skill

ezio45

Blanco wrote: »

All the sloads crying just makes me laugh even harder at this forum as I am VERY minimally affected by the set. The same people who daresay I need to L2P are the same ones with massive L2P and build issues who can't even handle sloads.

learn what tf your talking about plz sorcs and nbs cant handle sloads because its in direct opposition how they work by flawed design, nbs are designed to work with clock and sorcs with shields

nbs use clock to avoid dmg because they cant mitigate it thats why there the squishiest class, sloads completely diables there cloak so any damage cant easily destroy them

sorcs dont have access to a hot or and instant heal thats why shields are there to again block incoming damage while theey use there delayed heal

^ they arnt designed to handle sloads