sloads is broken, like old viper. please nerf

Vapirko · May 2018

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What was the suggestion people graciously gave to sorcerers regarding Shieldbreaker? Just slot a HOT and outheal!
Forum community can be such hypocrites

Slot a HOT such as vigor which will do 1.5k a second, which means you’d only have 600 a sec to “outheal” any other incoming dmg.... Ok

LOL at everyone posting here like people proc sloads and immediately stop all other damage. Oh yeah it’s only 5.1k unresistable damage over 6 seconds so easy to out heal. Right, I’m sure your opponent will politely proc with a single light attack and then back off and no one else will hit you lol. And they definitely won’t stack with knight slayer or Zaan or incap you so you’ve got major defile on top of that. This is guaranteed 5k passive damage that goes through shields. If I’m on my 28k health stam warden sure I’m not gonna worry so much. But if you’re on a 20k health mag sorc in BGs and you get hit with this bs and it’s going through your shields on top of all the other bs you’ve got to deal with like the idiot spamming lethal arrow or the tryhard whose using Zaan and sloads. *sigh*. I can expect people in this game to use the cheesiest setups possible, people like to feel like they’re good, but I really would have expected ZOS to learn after needing vipers and all the OP monster sets.

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Strider__Roshin · May 2018

templesus wrote: »

Procs and oblivion damage shouldn’t be in the game, period.

If there's damage shields, there should be Oblivion damage. Make it so DoTs ignore damage shields, and I'm all for removing Oblivion damage.

jaws343 · May 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What was the suggestion people graciously gave to sorcerers regarding Shieldbreaker? Just slot a HOT and outheal!
Forum community can be such hypocrites

Slot a HOT such as vigor which will do 1.5k a second, which means you’d only have 600 a sec to “outheal” any other incoming dmg.... Ok

LOL at everyone posting here like people proc sloads and immediately stop all other damage. Oh yeah it’s only 5.1k unresistable damage over 6 seconds so easy to out heal. Right, I’m sure your opponent will politely proc with a single light attack and then back off and no one else will hit you lol. And they definitely won’t stack with knight slayer or Zaan or incap you so you’ve got major defile on top of that. This is guaranteed 5k passive damage that goes through shields. If I’m on my 28k health stam warden sure I’m not gonna worry so much. But if you’re on a 20k health mag sorc in BGs and you get hit with this bs and it’s going through your shields on top of all the other bs you’ve got to deal with like the idiot spamming lethal arrow or the tryhard whose using Zaan and sloads. *sigh*. I can expect people in this game to use the cheesiest setups possible, people like to feel like they’re good, but I really would have expected ZOS to learn after needing vipers and all the OP monster sets.

I would argue that Sload's represent's Zos's willingness to learn from past mistakes. It is damage over time. Unlike what viper and selene were, an immediate source of damage that was mostly unavoidable. Now viper is a dot. Sload is the same, and you have 6 seconds of counterplay. If Sload's was an immediate proc that dealt 5K damage instantly, I could concede it being an issue. But it is not.

And those that are saying itss damage over 6 seconds and easy to heal through aren't ignoring other sources of damage. As I mentioned before, if you cannot handle 6K damage from a source, you are going to die anyways. Replace Sload's with any other set or ability that does 6K damage after battle spirit, and you have the same problem. The difference is, Sload's is only a % chance to proc and takes 6 very long seconds to deal all of its damage. The fight should be over by then. Abilities are guaranteed to work (if they are not dodged) and I am sure 1 nightblade spamming surprise attack can do far more than 5.1K damage to a player in 6 seconds. To put Sload's in perspective, Nightblade and stamden burst combos can melt 25K health in a few seconds. A player not using Sload's is going to kill you quicker than one using it.

lazerlaz · May 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

Don't get hit lol.

Emmagoldman · May 2018

Id be fine if oblivion if it was changed to just ignore shields, but not resists or blocks. Playing on a magsorc, it would give people build options that counter one class, being mine or course weaker against others. Similar to how magdks can be the toughest for our class but nb arent that mich of a problem.

Oh wow, comments about sjw, millenials. Could it also be argued that proc sets and out of balance abilities crutch people that dont want to ltp ( veli/widow,viper). Slap on a meta op build and use unbalance to make up for lack of skill.
Sounds more like people want a handout and free dmg for doing nothing.

In general, the title is way over dramatic, and the game is close to balanced. Maybe slight adjustments here and there. I can see some sets or abilities getting changes or nerfed. Nerfed shouldnt mean nerfed into being worthless. Slight decreases

MaxwellC · May 2018

I still stand firmly that this sets damage isn't OP but rather it's cooldown is. The cooldown should be if anything 15 seconds+ since the activation occurrence i.e 10% is pretty high as it scales with all damage (even DoTs).

jaws343 · May 2018

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Could it also be argued that proc sets and out of balance abilities crutch people that dont want to ltp ( veli/widow,viper).

I think it can do this, but I also think that these type of sets can be used to greater effect by people who actually know how to play. I built an entire build around the Doylimesh set and it excels at one thing and it is extremely difficult and rewarding to play. But it isn't being used as a crutch. And I am sure many players have found interesting ways to use proc sets to make them more than just a crutch.

And sure, there are players who will put on Sload's and it will help them out a bit. But let's be honest, the players using these sets as a crutch are not the players who are using these sets effectively. So even bringing those players up in a discussion like this serves no purpose. If you cannot handle the players using the crutch you are not going to be able to handle good players using non-proc sets.

Emmagoldman · May 2018

@jaws343 your right as well, it really comes down to good players dominating as they know how to use it and poor players using it to make up for lack of skill. Example, when proc sets were guarented, it took no skill to literally hit someone once. Good players that ride, or even set the meta can dominate and using sets to line up burst takes work. In general, I think balance is decent at this point with some minor fixes

Shadowmaster · May 2018

Ankael07 wrote: »

What was the suggestion people graciously gave to sorcerers regarding Shieldbreaker? Just slot a HOT and outheal!
Forum community can be such hypocrites

Good call. I agree we should nerf sorcs. Where is @Ezareth and the spider-man gang?

Own · May 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

DoT's shouldn't remove cloaked players, so I'm betting an incremental patch fix will come soon.

mikey_reach · May 2018

Own wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

DoT's shouldn't remove cloaked players, so I'm betting an incremental patch fix will come soon.

Considering that the set wasnt design to be a nb hard counter i think so too. But then again oblivion damage does fall under its own set of rules. So all they have to do is adjust oblivion damage so it doesnt pull you from cloak and there you go a solution for nb without having to nerf the set.

Feanor · May 2018

Own wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

DoT's shouldn't remove cloaked players, so I'm betting an incremental patch fix will come soon.

Funny how people think this isn’t fine now that other classes then Sorcs are having issues with a set too.

mikey_reach · May 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Own wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

DoT's shouldn't remove cloaked players, so I'm betting an incremental patch fix will come soon.

Funny how people think this isn’t fine now that other classes then Sorcs are having issues with a set too.

Another class having an issue with a set is only the tip of the iceberg.Ive been a target to both sets with both classes yeah you hard less survival rate being a sorc agaisnt SB than a nb has agaisnt sload. So when you put classes into account i can understand the reasoning to your comment but it stops making less sense when you really think beyond it, a crafted set like sload shouldnt be able to make an armor type like medium armor obsolete and what i mean by that is if you have sload on you u cant cloak(no LOS) meaning gl surviving in medium which also explains why almost every medium armor wearer is a nb because its the only class that can best use it and keep up. So while yes ill give it to you sorcs had the worst hard counter but at the same time it was only usefull for one thing while on the other had aside from sload be free damage all the time which adds up to having a pre summerset empower for 6 sec if you combo with the proc it also provides a lot of utility. Makes cloak and medium armor useless good agaisnt tanks, sorcs nb and mind you its crafted. Right now from a pvp stand point forget julianos or hundings or even axiom and war maiden might as well have sload which is unmitigated damage unlike stats like the previous set i just mention,and it doesnt stop there in bgs unlike the sets i mentioned sloads gets a lot stronger.

mikey_reach · May 2018

Funny thing about the set in cyro i dont even have to wear it, it's starting to get common enough to where you can leech from other player's proc super helpful for solo play if you capitalize on it but then again that's just another example of how its not just a damage set but it supports really well. What's better free damage that you can share with anyone, or do people preffer hunding and juli which is just damage for yourself that can also get reduced?

waitwhat · May 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

Agreed. Shieldbreaker doesn't remove one's ability to cast shields at all. Knight Slayer doesn't force one to drop block. Neither of those sets disable the target's means of mitigating all other damage, but Sload's does that with cloak. @ZOS_Wrobel

Gilvoth · May 2018

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waitwhat wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

Agreed. Shieldbreaker doesn't remove one's ability to cast shields at all. Knight Slayer doesn't force one to drop block. Neither of those sets disable the target's means of mitigating all other damage, but Sload's does that with cloak. @ZOS_Wrobel

i hope you do not mind if i quote you in the future, your comment is both wise and very insightfull.
well done.

ToRelax · May 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

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waitwhat wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

Agreed. Shieldbreaker doesn't remove one's ability to cast shields at all. Knight Slayer doesn't force one to drop block. Neither of those sets disable the target's means of mitigating all other damage, but Sload's does that with cloak. @ZOS_Wrobel

i hope you do not mind if i quote you in the future, your comment is both wise and very insightfull.
well done.

I'll know I should rethink my stance on a topic when this is the reply.

SquareSausage · May 2018

TBH cloak is too OP anyway so a counter to it is needed.

waitwhat · May 2018

SquareSausage wrote: »

TBH cloak is too OP anyway so a counter to it is needed.

Cloak Counters, An Incomplete List:

Magelight
Camo Hunter
Piercing Mark
Detect Pots
Detect Poisons

DuskMarine · May 2018

sloads is trash it doesnt need nerfed

Facefister · May 2018

PvP ruins every fun and unique aspect in every MMO.

templesus · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Procs and oblivion damage shouldn’t be in the game, period.

If there's damage shields, there should be Oblivion damage. Make it so DoTs ignore damage shields, and I'm all for removing Oblivion damage.

I seldomly play any class with a shield, as I main stamplar, and I have little to no problem killing people who shield stack (bar pet sorc). It’s all about timing and user skill ~ before you rebuttal that PoTL is the only reason, I don’t use that ability and play 2h/Bow.

TheDoomsdayMonster · May 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i think everyone agree's that sloads is beyond broken, i dont know why this set even exists. we dont need more procs and what we for sure dont need are things without any counterplay and there is zero counterplay against someone using sloads.

Dude...

No offense, but you sure do call for alot of nerfs...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2018

Ankael07 wrote: »

What was the suggestion people graciously gave to sorcerers regarding Shieldbreaker? Just slot a HOT and outheal!
Forum community can be such hypocrites

You have a shield that basically doubles your health, two burst pet heals, one burst heal with resources return and a power that heals every time you land a crit. You really have the strongest and the cheapest shield. Add in the best mobility power and a power the stuns at max range if you the caster is hit with anything and can you really not see how a set that made you need just one more heal was needed.

Before Shield Breaker the only counter to Sorcs was to wait til they were out of magic or power pass their shield. No counters to shields except Breaker.

RedRook · May 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

@josiahva like 6 threads and we still gotta say. Oblivion damage is not halved, is not mitigated, is not blocked, goes past Shields and breaks cloak

Yep, it has to be repeated every time. Makes you wonder what the people who don't have this kind of basic info base their opinions on.

ArchMikem · May 2018

I just looked it up, you're complaining that 850 damage a second is OP? When players in Cyrodiil usually have 25k+health on top of some bogus healing I continuously come across? Also something to remember is Proc damage cannot crit right?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the point is it removes nightblades ability to cloak, if that is intentional then it is game breaking and removes by Force nightblades built in abilities and defenses. = Game over for nightblades

Bud my Piercing Mark and other's Detect Pots have been forcing Nightblades out of cloak forever now. What's the difference?

Morgul667 · May 2018

So we want to nerf sload but keep zaan and earthgore ?

Some things i dont get

ezio45 · May 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

So we want to nerf sload but keep zaan and earthgore ?

Some things i dont get

its simple, earthgor just prevents you from killing ppl, and zaan is easy to avoid, sloads kills you and isnt avoidable

Zeytio · May 2018

tbh a lot of sets need to be reworked, sloads isnt terrible when its just one person uses it but once it starts to stack from multiple people you feel it