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IMO Eso should make a choice between sub or b2p...
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Orjix✭✭✭✭DisagreerLook, i love ESO but if they ever switch to a sub method I'm leaving. I refuse to play any game that is sub based, I just don't agree with the idea.1 -
Panomania✭✭✭✭i don't careI wish they would go pay to play, required monthly fee to log in. I think the quality of the community might improve overall. But then I look at that horrid monstrosity created by that snowstorm company and how gawdawful their community was when it was pay to play...
Overall I dont care. ZOS needs to make money or it will close shop on ESO. Either people need to stop endlessly whining about having to pay for OPTIONAL SWAG that doesnt really much affect game play or they need to bust out mommy's credit card and stop paying. Its one or the other.The opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.1 -
phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DisagreerThe mandatory subscription did not work. As others mentioned, console version also factored into the change. Console players would have ended up paying double to play the game.
The first couple of months cost me something like $30 per month because the subscription price was in Euro's rather than the Australian dollar. Even paying in Australian dollars means fluctuations, due to exchange rates. (Lives in New Zealand).Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭DisagreerI play the game but I wouldn't pay a sub, I occasionally grab eso+ but I can live without it.
Edited by Goshua on May 23, 2018 10:43PM0 -
Panomania✭✭✭✭i don't careCost of playing ESO is whatever you spend a month for your internet connection plus electricity used. Anything else is fluff thats completely optional.The opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.1
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lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeCost of playing ESO is whatever you spend a month for your internet connection plus electricity used. Anything else is fluff thats completely optional.
so true.. expansion, dlc.. they are all optinal.. actually if you are satifified with knowing that you own this game, you don't even have to have internet or ever turn on your pc XD0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerCheck out the Steam population before the game went B2P: http://steamcharts.com/app/306130
510 concuncurrent players in November 2014, lol.
That's not a typo.0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeMLGProPlayer wrote: »Check out the Steam population before the game went B2P: http://steamcharts.com/app/306130
510 concuncurrent players in November 2014, lol.
That's not a typo.
like i said, either go sub. or drop eso+... not saying sub is the way to go.0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AgreeMLGProPlayer wrote: »Check out the Steam population before the game went B2P: http://steamcharts.com/app/306130
510 concuncurrent players in November 2014, lol.
That's not a typo.
That's only on steam as well, the majority of the players already had it before it even hit steam.1 -
NorthernNightmare✭✭✭✭✭I don't play wow because of the subscription fee.... I would rather have no crown shop and just be able to buy everything ingame with gold but alas that era of gaming is long gone.
I prefer one time payments. If I could pay a lifetime fee for eso+ I would0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerOP starts off sounding like a B2P player upset he has to subscribe to get more decos in his house.
Reality check, sub or not MMORPGs are going to have cash shops these days. That is life. People want costumes, mounts and more that just basic stuff in game. It becomes a great source of revenue. Business is business.
Just FYI, how many exciting MMORPGs are currently being designed by large gaming companies? Only ones I know of are crowd sourced. They just are not lucrative for the deep pockets like they used to be.0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeYolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.
- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Once again - the "big" sub MMOs, ALSO have a cash shop, and ALSO sell you expansions. So why do you keep saying that ESO going sub would get rid of the cash shop and paid expansions?
(For that matter, why do you have a problem with f2p/b2p MMOs having an optional sub-for-bonuses program? It's pretty typical of the genre. I've played a bunch of games with an optional sub.... Star Trek, Secret World, TERA, SWTOR, etc.)2 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeKiralyn2000 wrote: »Once again - the "big" sub MMOs, ALSO have a cash shop, and ALSO sell you expansions. So why do you keep saying that ESO going sub would get rid of the cash shop and paid expansions?
(For that matter, why do you have a problem with f2p/b2p MMOs having an optional sub-for-bonuses program? It's pretty typical of the genre. I've played a bunch of games with an optional sub.... Star Trek, Secret World, TERA, SWTOR, etc.)
am not saying it will, am sayng it should.0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.
- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.
I agree. To add to this:
• Don't advertise items already purchased - fix the drop down so that items I've purchased (appropriately) do not display in the Crown Store. This is not a programmatic mistake, but unethical marketing that could cause a community member to make an unnecessary purchase
• Pay-2-Win - note: I had this discussion with my guild, and I may be misinformed about the research scrolls. I had no issue with the strategy of the Crown Store prior to Scalecaller, but now I fear the game is turning into a Pay-2-Win environment that will not only divide the community, but poison it with the addition of Gifting and cooldowns on research scrolls (limitations on earned in-game items). Toxic effects from this will lead to an increase in scams, bots, farming and disruptive community behaviours that are completely opposite of what this game was built on. We have amazing players that not only care for the game in its entirety, but care for its community as well.
I'm considered a "whale" who is ZOS' ideal customer, but like I said, I don't believe in the recent manipulations in advertising or the gouging. While Crown Store items are still typically considered a choice, the cooldowns on research scrolls is a push to limiting free-play activities and gifting is something you would see in a korean or chinese game. And this is just the start.
This may not seem like a huge change (or issue) for the community in its infancy, but if you really think about the effects this has on the future of ESO... it is dangerous for both parties. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into this game and I would hate for this game to crumble or be replaced by a TESO 2....
Please share, support, and add your own opinions.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerKiralyn2000 wrote: »Once again - the "big" sub MMOs, ALSO have a cash shop, and ALSO sell you expansions. So why do you keep saying that ESO going sub would get rid of the cash shop and paid expansions?
(For that matter, why do you have a problem with f2p/b2p MMOs having an optional sub-for-bonuses program? It's pretty typical of the genre. I've played a bunch of games with an optional sub.... Star Trek, Secret World, TERA, SWTOR, etc.)
am not saying it will, am sayng it should.
Your premise is wrong as I stated earlier.
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Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭DisagreerWhy choose when you can push everything into customer's posteriors and get away with it? It's a business. I understand then. Naturally as a customer I'd opt for subscription and no cash shop / expansion$. But it's not happening. I certainly don't see them backtracking in the future, if anything it will go full F2P when the population shrinks. As an Elder Scrolls fan this game is the best rendition of the ES universe, happy to pay for it. Was it a MMO without ES in its name I wouldn't be playing at all. I'd day ZOS has things to worry about if ES6 ever comes...that will certainly eat a massive chunk of ESO. That's when I see the F2P model coming. Well, to be fair the way it's going with Triple A greedy games lately maybe it will be a fail. A remake of Daggerfall in today's graphics would be the ESO killer that is for sure.0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeAboveLegends wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.
- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.
I agree. To add to this:
• Don't advertise items already purchased - fix the drop down so that items I've purchased (appropriately) do not display in the Crown Store. This is not a programmatic mistake, but unethical marketing that could cause a community member to make an unnecessary purchase
• Pay-2-Win - note: I had this discussion with my guild, and I may be misinformed about the research scrolls. I had no issue with the strategy of the Crown Store prior to Scalecaller, but now I fear the game is turning into a Pay-2-Win environment that will not only divide the community, but poison it with the addition of Gifting and cooldowns on research scrolls (limitations on earned in-game items). Toxic effects from this will lead to an increase in scams, bots, farming and disruptive community behaviours that are completely opposite of what this game was built on. We have amazing players that not only care for the game in its entirety, but care for its community as well.
I'm considered a "whale" who is ZOS' ideal customer, but like I said, I don't believe in the recent manipulations in advertising or the gouging. While Crown Store items are still typically considered a choice, the cooldowns on research scrolls is a push to limiting free-play activities and gifting is something you would see in a korean or chinese game. And this is just the start.
This may not seem like a huge change (or issue) for the community in its infancy, but if you really think about the effects this has on the future of ESO... it is dangerous for both parties. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into this game and I would hate for this game to crumble or be replaced by a TESO 2....
Please share, support, and add your own opinions.
they are derperate because they are not making enough money, they are not making enough money because they are running a hybrid model that please no one.
p.s. eso is a mmo, it is not single player. selling dlc/expansion further divide player base into small group, which discourage team play.. and make outdated content hard to play........ which is why i believe they should choose one..Edited by lihentian on May 24, 2018 9:26PM1 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Disagreerit would appear that the current model is working...
i would have preferred that zos had stayed with the sub model but i also learned a long time ago that my preferences have little effect on the wider world.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerAboveLegends wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.
I agree. To add to this:
• Don't advertise items already purchased - fix the drop down so that items I've purchased (appropriately) do not display in the Crown Store. This is not a programmatic mistake, but unethical marketing that could cause a community member to make an unnecessary purchase
• Pay-2-Win - note: I had this discussion with my guild, and I may be misinformed about the research scrolls. I had no issue with the strategy of the Crown Store prior to Scalecaller, but now I fear the game is turning into a Pay-2-Win environment that will not only divide the community, but poison it with the addition of Gifting and cooldowns on research scrolls (limitations on earned in-game items). Toxic effects from this will lead to an increase in scams, bots, farming and disruptive community behaviours that are completely opposite of what this game was built on. We have amazing players that not only care for the game in its entirety, but care for its community as well.
I'm considered a "whale" who is ZOS' ideal customer, but like I said, I don't believe in the recent manipulations in advertising or the gouging. While Crown Store items are still typically considered a choice, the cooldowns on research scrolls is a push to limiting free-play activities and gifting is something you would see in a korean or chinese game. And this is just the start.
This may not seem like a huge change (or issue) for the community in its infancy, but if you really think about the effects this has on the future of ESO... it is dangerous for both parties. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into this game and I would hate for this game to crumble or be replaced by a TESO 2....
Please share, support, and add your own opinions.
they are derperate because they are not making enough money, they are not making enough money because they are running a hybrid model that please no one.
p.s. eso is a mmo, it is not single player. selling dlc/expansion further divide player base into small group, which discourage team play.. and make outdated content hard to play........ which is why i believe they should choose one..
Again, your premise is false.
Look at major MMOs that have required subscriptions, besides there being few they also have cash shops and selling expansions is also normal for subscription model MMOs.
If thinking new content would be available to all if ESO required a subscription is not correct.
If thinking the cash shop would go away if ESO required a subscription is not correct.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerI have to disagree because there is no real other option to choose, which would reflect my point of view. I have no issue with a subscription game, if what I get for the subscription fee is worth it - and so far I deem it worthy in ESO. If there wouldn't be a crafting bag, I would think it over though and eventually rather buy the DLCs, which I like.
The crown store itself does not bother me, just the pricing of it is not "micro", what is dreadfully unpleasant to know, I really hate greed, especially when it comes to gambling crates. I have bought crowns in the past on top of subscription, but now I am staying with just subscription, because ZOS really soured the experience for me with their shady greediness. Well, it is their loss, they could have gotten like 2000 dollars more from me per year, but now Ubisoft has the pleasure to get those instead.Edited by Lysette on May 25, 2018 12:05AM0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭AgreeAboveLegends wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.
- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.
I agree. To add to this:
• Don't advertise items already purchased - fix the drop down so that items I've purchased (appropriately) do not display in the Crown Store. This is not a programmatic mistake, but unethical marketing that could cause a community member to make an unnecessary purchase
• Pay-2-Win - note: I had this discussion with my guild, and I may be misinformed about the research scrolls. I had no issue with the strategy of the Crown Store prior to Scalecaller, but now I fear the game is turning into a Pay-2-Win environment that will not only divide the community, but poison it with the addition of Gifting and cooldowns on research scrolls (limitations on earned in-game items). Toxic effects from this will lead to an increase in scams, bots, farming and disruptive community behaviours that are completely opposite of what this game was built on. We have amazing players that not only care for the game in its entirety, but care for its community as well.
I'm considered a "whale" who is ZOS' ideal customer, but like I said, I don't believe in the recent manipulations in advertising or the gouging. While Crown Store items are still typically considered a choice, the cooldowns on research scrolls is a push to limiting free-play activities and gifting is something you would see in a korean or chinese game. And this is just the start.
This may not seem like a huge change (or issue) for the community in its infancy, but if you really think about the effects this has on the future of ESO... it is dangerous for both parties. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into this game and I would hate for this game to crumble or be replaced by a TESO 2....
Please share, support, and add your own opinions.
they are derperate because they are not making enough money, they are not making enough money because they are running a hybrid model that please no one.
p.s. eso is a mmo, it is not single player. selling dlc/expansion further divide player base into small group, which discourage team play.. and make outdated content hard to play........ which is why i believe they should choose one..
Again, your premise is false.
Look at major MMOs that have required subscriptions, besides there being few they also have cash shops and selling expansions is also normal for subscription model MMOs.
If thinking new content would be available to all if ESO required a subscription is not correct.
If thinking the cash shop would go away if ESO required a subscription is not correct.
if this is the only mmo on earth, they might. but is it?0 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DisagreerMLGProPlayer wrote: »Check out the Steam population before the game went B2P: http://steamcharts.com/app/306130
510 concuncurrent players in November 2014, lol.
That's not a typo.
That's only on steam as well, the majority of the players already had it before it even hit steam.
Probably that was the first month ESO was available for Steam I believe.
We were playing ESO 6 months+ before it was on Steam.
Those numbers, then or now, don't reflect population as most don't use Steam..Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on May 25, 2018 5:19AMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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Odnoc✭✭✭✭DisagreerI’m past the point of subbing for a game when there are so many options now, most free or the same model. Even though I am + subscribed, if it were sub only I’d probably not play. The way it is now, if something comes up in life where I’m busy with other things/burnt out/ect, I don’t need to pay a subscription to play a character I’ve put hundreds of hours into a few hours a month.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisagreerAboveLegends wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Why make a choice? They are currently benefiting from all three models.- The money from current subscribers even though they betrayed all subscribers by breaking their promise about DLC access.
- The money from selling new boxes as a B2P game.
- All of the annoyance, advertising, p2w and loot crates of a FTP game.
Why not eat your sweetroll and have it too?
three model together = all at the same time.. they are not doing anything right.. they lock plenty of stuff behind sub wall, so some player felt the need to sub to play. they have overpriced cash shop which make it seem like f2p game... they sale expansion and base game.. which make it b2p....... like i said.. drop eso+ or pick up sub model.. please one type of player is usually more benefitical then *** off everyone.
I agree. To add to this:
• Don't advertise items already purchased - fix the drop down so that items I've purchased (appropriately) do not display in the Crown Store. This is not a programmatic mistake, but unethical marketing that could cause a community member to make an unnecessary purchase
• Pay-2-Win - note: I had this discussion with my guild, and I may be misinformed about the research scrolls. I had no issue with the strategy of the Crown Store prior to Scalecaller, but now I fear the game is turning into a Pay-2-Win environment that will not only divide the community, but poison it with the addition of Gifting and cooldowns on research scrolls (limitations on earned in-game items). Toxic effects from this will lead to an increase in scams, bots, farming and disruptive community behaviours that are completely opposite of what this game was built on. We have amazing players that not only care for the game in its entirety, but care for its community as well.
I'm considered a "whale" who is ZOS' ideal customer, but like I said, I don't believe in the recent manipulations in advertising or the gouging. While Crown Store items are still typically considered a choice, the cooldowns on research scrolls is a push to limiting free-play activities and gifting is something you would see in a korean or chinese game. And this is just the start.
This may not seem like a huge change (or issue) for the community in its infancy, but if you really think about the effects this has on the future of ESO... it is dangerous for both parties. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into this game and I would hate for this game to crumble or be replaced by a TESO 2....
Please share, support, and add your own opinions.
they are derperate because they are not making enough money, they are not making enough money because they are running a hybrid model that please no one.
p.s. eso is a mmo, it is not single player. selling dlc/expansion further divide player base into small group, which discourage team play.. and make outdated content hard to play........ which is why i believe they should choose one..
Again, your premise is false.
Look at major MMOs that have required subscriptions, besides there being few they also have cash shops and selling expansions is also normal for subscription model MMOs.
If thinking new content would be available to all if ESO required a subscription is not correct.
If thinking the cash shop would go away if ESO required a subscription is not correct.
if this is the only mmo on earth, they might. but is it?
Your reply makes zero sense.
Again, subscription or not, we will have a cash shop. That much is essentially guaranteed these days. Offering the hybrid model we have is such a fabulous business idea because it brings in some more players who may not spend as much but many will spend some. Great added revenue.
The reality of your thread is most seem to not agree with your premise either and have some basic understanding of how things work these days.
You are entitled to your opinion but that does not make it likely to happen nor mean it will be popular with others.
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IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭The game can't be sub only because of consoles, not many console players are willing to pay for an MMO sub on top of their online service.
That didn’t prevented Square Enix from releasing FF14 as subscribtion only game on PS3/PS4. It’s basically just a business decision and looking at the numbers both models are valid (both ESO and FF14 are quite successful)0
