Haven´t read the whole thread.

But seriously, people need to calm down.

Stamsorcs are fun to play, if the bound armor is changed, change your rotation or play another class. From the wording in the notes it actually seems they made it easier to use, while retaining the max stat buffs. They want heavy attacks to be used for resource restore, ok, so change your gear and attack combinations a bit to adapt. From a more casual gamers perspective, stamsorcs have amazing skills that other classes don´t, both for PvP and PvE. How about a combined AoE, major expedition and detection skill that works better than actual detection skills, on your off-stat? How about a magicka dump that plain restores your two important resource pools? How about a spammable AOE immobilize?

Let´s change templar´s "hasty prayer" into "hasty healer", imbuing you with the power of Lorkhan, giving you major expedition for 10 seconds while putting a burning DoT on all surrounding enemies, revealing them if stealthed. Yeah, no outcry there...

If you only care about endgame DPS and 0.241% less DPS ruins the game for you, I´d argue that maybe you have an approach to game enjoyment that isn´t working for you.

I certainly agree that game designers have the almost exactly wrong approach to skill changes (nerf good/interesting rather than boost bad/uninteresting), but this seems like a change, not a nerf. They want people to use heavy and light attacks rather than spam skills, seems like a good approach.

The only thing that bothers me ATM is that they made HA/LA scale like skills, which makes the choice between weapon damage and max resources less interesting. But I´ll manage.

Sssso, am I the only one who ran Dark Deal + Surge instead of Bound Armaments before Summerset then? Doesn't really look like the sky is falling from where I'm standing.

Cloudless wrote: »

Sssso, am I the only one who ran Dark Deal + Surge instead of Bound Armaments before Summerset then? Doesn't really look like the sky is falling from where I'm standing.

I undertand you from a PvP standpoint. But in PvE you need neither. Dark Deal means 1.4s of doing nothing and Surge is redundand with a healer and brutality pots or even shrouded dagger.

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CyrusArya wrote: »

Stam sorc is gonna be really strong next patch. Already is quite good and now they finally have a spammable...

@CyrusArya

Please elaborate, what is going to make them stronger? I see people saying this but no one really backs it up. Crushing weapons is not really that good. The 15% heal is a pos compared to the extra damage gained by the magicka morph. Damage wise it wont be better than shrouded daggers and that provides both a snare and a bounce. It could maybe replace dizzy swing (which is pretty unreliable) and you could use defensive rune, but then you're giving up two bar spots instead of one. Additionally the LA of 2H have been nerfed severely, so will it be worth using on a stam sorc when you're getting mostly LA buffs and I think DW will provide better damage when LA weaving. The spell charge passive does help, maybe, but in PvP it could be fairly unreliable. All the other Psijic skills are magicka so the use of them is questionable. Also its giving classes access to major expedition which stam sorc had as a relatively unique skill and it no longer is.

And see my post above about the bound armor change. Its essentially still a toggle unless you want a massive resource/regen change on bar swap.

Other than that there are no changes that benefit stam sorc.

I wouldn't run it backbar, I'm not really on that bar much anyway.

I don't see how anyone running Stam could possibly pass up Spin2win.

As a Stam sorc, you have the option of a completely undodgeable build, that has access to an unblockable and undodgeable hard CC, with a built in back up execution passive.

The only reason I would consider slotting streak etc would be to counter Zaan

Though, I do agree I can't think of many Psijic abilities I would slot (no need really)

I also see no need to run conversion

you're not on your backbar much? ok, to each their own style. Beyond that Im not disagreeing with you, or saying stam sorcs are bad. Theyre not, but theyre not great either. Im mostly trying to see why people think next patch will make them so much stronger. The issue with steel tornado on a stamsorc imo, at least when it comes to solo/duo play, is that you have only DB as your aoe burst. Unlike wardens who have sub assault. Stam sorcs lack any good damage skills for dealing with uneven numbers. And the only thing steel tornado will do against anyone with half a brain is run you out of stam really fast.

I stole this idea from a stamden. But my backbar is 2h, rally, surge, hurricane, crit, and cleave, Atro

Front is, rending, dagger, spin, vigor, rune, db ult.

Crit, into cleave, swap, rending, - depending on build either spin now, or hidden then spin.

Cleave bleed, rending bleed, axe bleed, hurricane, then Hidden, Db, or Spin will kill anything.

I'm currently using craw, automaton, and sword dancer, warrior Mundus.

This was my last BG



I think the unavoidable dmg part of rune is really gonna help Stam sorc as well. Toggle for boundless might make it on my set up.

Could theoretically add sloads and skoria.

I don't see anything massive for Stam sorc, but I don't think it needs it

You're more right about open world. I would recommend FM and streak for OW. Subbing surge for streak. Then prob speed pots.

I just wanna add, there's like only one PvP campaign (no CP is a ghost town) and I find that there's practically no small scale in cyrodiil anymore. I find it rather lackluster, so I don't really build for it.

I thought I had more to say.... Guess not

Sure thing with the boundless storm, but then it isn't a "detection skill that works better than actual detection skills" since it's range is a) really small and b) it doesn't prevent the detected player from entering stealth again, like ML and EH do. Also, why should I use BS over Hurricane when it's easy to have major expedition perma up from pots and no other way to gain minor expedition? That doesn't make sense.

The point is just because it doesn´t make sense to you, it might make sense to others. AFAIK the range is not much smaller than dedicated detection skills like expert hunter, and it lasts for longer. It is a POV thing; some people just complain about the stuff they haven´t got. I´d love to be able to slot a major expedition skill that gives me a useful passive, damage and also helps me with stealth detection, working on the off-stat on my stamina character.

Also add in that there is a non-class skill that grants everyone major expedition and higher crit damage. Don't conceal that.

I´m not concealing anything; that skill wasn´t even in the game until literally like 20 minutes ago!

Also, I mean, one thing I´m excited about for my stamsorc is that now with the change to silver leash there is a skill that gives me a quick gap closer, something I lacked before on my DW stamsorc. But I don´t think that change 'destroys 2h weapons and stamblades'.

" How about a spammable AOE immobilize" - your words. Since you like to choose inferior morphs and sell them as non-brainers the bow immobilize fits that theme. Everyone can equip a bow and spam bombard. One could even argue that since the snare is removed from restraining prison that bombard is an actual compelling choice.
Why do you mention Encase in the first place? This thread has nothing to do with it. You're all over the place. It seems like you simply try to shut down the issues stam sorcs have by adding something entirely unrelated.

The point is that the thread basically stated that stamsorcs got "the shaft" because one of their skills was made... well quite frankly possibly actually better, or at least more practical (I just started Summerset so I haven´t tested the mechanics yet). My response was that as a stamsorc you get things that other classes don´t even have. Major brutality plus self-heal in one skill?

If losing 11% heavy attack damage means you won´t use a class, maybe that class isn´t for you. This is not meant as an insult, just a response to the all too common "this skill was made slightly different so you just destroyed my class" posts.

Being a stamsorc has advantages; you get a spammable immobilize working with good range on your off-stat that also heals you for 8% of your max health and increases healing taken. This is IMO quite useful in PvP. If you want to spam bombard instead, what´s stopping you? Personally, I want to see what encase + silver leash + dual wield can do.

Honest question: do you even play a stam sorc?

Yes, I´ve played a stamsorc both in PvP and in veteran PvE.

This patch I've pretty much given up on caring about the game. It's just fun I guess. Who needs to better themselves anyways

NyassaV wrote: »

This patch I've pretty much given up on caring about the game. It's just fun I guess. Who needs to better themselves anyways

Right there with you.

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ccfeeling wrote: »

My pet sorc never run BA...

This thread is about stamsorcs.

Nothing prevents a stamsorc from running a pet...

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Haven´t read the whole thread.

They want people to use heavy and light attacks rather than spam skills, seems like a good approach.

The only thing that bothers me ATM is that they made HA/LA scale like skills, which makes the choice between weapon damage and max resources less interesting. But I´ll manage.

Really? So you feel that spamming LA/HA is more interesting than using skills? Then why bother having classes with skills at all? Why not have us all be the same generic clones spamming our mouse buttons...