POLL: PvP Opt-out Token

bg22 · May 2018

No

RubyWarfare wrote: »

I voted "other" because I would not spend 2,000 crowns on the pay to win option, even though I utterly and completely loathe PVP to the core of my being. However, what I WOULD spend those crowns on is the option to transfer to a PVE only server, so I can explore Cyrodil in peace without the fear of getting trolled by teabaggers and the like.

And now to respond to this:

generalmyrick wrote: »

pvp is fun...

i don't understand the folks that don't like it...just learn the pvp like you do pve!

as soon as i used a damage shield and respected the impen trait, pvp becomes 4500% more fun.

NOT fun for me. Why do I hate it? Simple. Teabagging. Trolling. Nasty, nasty people who gloat over my ineptitude. I have no desire to "get gud" or whatever with virtual sexual harassment and worse on the horizon. Now if people were gracious winners and people were not so awful to each other in other ways, then I might be interested.

You can turn your damage recap on and not see any of that... or simply respawn immediately after death. Don’t just lay there and let them teabag you? Crazy... I kno.

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

No

Not necessary .

Sevalaricgirl · May 2018

No

bg22 wrote: »

It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.

Yeah no. Most people who dislike PvP have had negative experiences. For example, I used to be an ardent PvPer in SWTOR. You'd find me and my friend constantly in queue. I achieved max level, all the max gear, and the kudos. My problem was that if our team did not win for some reason or other such as leaving one person at a hold point without coming to aid them (usually my tank, 5 on 1), others would get nasty, curse you out, treat you like [snip]. Also getting [snip] for not healing the dpsers who don't know what they're doing when you're job is to make sure the tank stays alive. That is why I do not PvP.

Now, on the other hand, there used to be a lot of instances for PvP in ESO. Did they remove them? It used to be that you could find a barely populated instance and just go do your stuff. If they took that away, they should bring it back. Like I said, I haven't queued in a long time in ESO.

[Edited for profanity bypass]

Rain_Greyraven · May 2018

No

I'm not even a PVPer and I'm going to vote no...just because watching PVP in this game die the screaming death that it already is ....is really enough of a lesson to the devs to never try and make an Elder Scrolls end game PVP centric ever again

bg22 · May 2018

No

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

I'm not even a PVPer and I'm going to vote no...just because watching PVP in this game die the screaming death that it already is ....is really enough of a lesson to the devs to never try and make an Elder Scrolls end game PVP centric ever again

Lol Wut?

itehache · May 2018

No

If you want Cyrodiil´s skyshards and Alliance War skills, go do some PVP.
You will suck at first, but the more you practice the better you will get, and eventually you´ll have fun.

SHADOW2KK · May 2018

Lol wut, you want Alliance War skills, but want a PvP opt out?

Seriously, It takes barely any time at all compared to the old days when you had to be at Assault rank 10 to get Vigor.

Earn it.

Or if this *** idea ever gets put into place, then PvPers should get PvE optout so we dont have to grind undaunted.

Odnoc · May 2018

No

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

I don't enjoy pvp in MMOs. In my opinion, any PvP situation in which gear and the possibility of imbalanced stats enters the equation is inherently broken. Yes, this implies that most MMO pvp is inherently broken. It's why I keep my pvp-ing to games that are actually meant for PvP. Fight me.

Anywho, I tried going into cyrodil a few times, both for caltrops and the skyshards. Every time I've gone, I've gotten ganked pretty much continuously shortly after entering enemy delves. Eventually when I'd give up on the delves and try and do some actual pvping, I would usually wind up alone and not realizing where the flow of combat was, because the map is only so accurate and the area is gigantic.

TL; DR most PvE players don't find PvP fun and never will. The real problem that this thread underscores is that PvPers must do PvE content for certain benefits, and PvErs must do PvP content for certain benefits. A critical failure of the MMO industry is to try and push players into doing content they don't enjoy, and that extends far beyond this game.

There should be non-combat options for cyrodil, period. And no overland / dungeon / trial set should be BiS for PvP. To quote a famous 90s band, gotta keep em' separated.

It’s just an aspect of MMO’s, just because people don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it is broken.
I prefer to run dungeons over grinding for gold, or crafting mats, ect, and I’m sure many other people would rather do the same, does that mean the system is “broken”? This is no different.

Odnoc · May 2018

No

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

Olith wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

I had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'

You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?

Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.

For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.

My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.

Ignorance is bliss my man.

It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.

But why should I become proficient at something I don't like? I play MMOs to fight monsters and dragons and deal awesome damage and do awesome healing, not gank people and stunlock my way to victory over newbies. Zenimax saw fit to gate critical PvE content behind PvP, hence our dilemma.

Also PvP in this game is especially boring and difficult for PvErs to get into. Oh, you don't have Impen armor? Enjoy getting 2 shotted. And while you're at it, enjoy riding across the god darn countryside to get back to the action because the closest respawn point is 10 miles away. Battlegrounds are better in concept, but I've heard they're full of steamrolling premades, which is its own kind of heck.

I don't want something for nothing, I just don't want to be shoehorned into content that I don't care for, not because it's unknown, but because I find it terrible and not worth my time.

I feel the same way about farming crafting mats, boring, redundant, ect, but it’s part of the landscape, I don’t expect to log in and get all the crafting mats I need from monster drops.

waitwhat · May 2018

No

Please consider:

1. PvP can offer new perspectives and build relationships that improve performance and open new doors in PvE. It's a great way to randomly meet people that can help you elsewhere.
2. PvP'ers have to do plenty of PvE grinding to get the gear, skill points, and materials they need to succeed in PvP. Why is it that only PvE'ers should be able to opt-out of PvP?

Lirkin · May 2018

Other

Sorry but it's not fair that they give you all the books and skyshards with out getting them your self.

rootimus · May 2018

No

OP's "problem" is the very definition of a play to win situation.

ithlia · May 2018

No

I would like an option to explore Cyrodiil and the Imperial City as non PVP areas. I was especially dissapointed that the Imperial City was used as a PVP area as it was one of the areas I was looking forward to seeing. However as someone that has no interest in PVP that just isn't going to happen.

Dystopia2020 · May 2018

No

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When there’s an opt-out for Undaunted Skill Line (in crowns) for PvP players then I might reconsider.

I agree.

AuldWolf · May 2018

Yes

We'd never get a PvE version of Cyrodiil, so I'd say yes.

I'm sad to see that there are dark tetrad (sociopathic, notably) traits on display with many posters in their lack of empathetic understanding. There are a lot of people who suffer with generalised anxiety disorder and cannot PvP. It's not about 'git gud,' it's about a physical inability to engage in such content. I know there are those who'd say that they should anyway, illness be damned, but that shows a level of inhumanity that we should -- quite frankly -- all be uncomfortable with and disgusted by.

There are many, many other disabilities too that might stand in the way of someone either playing or being successful at PvP. Poor sight, deafness, tinnitus, processing issues, mobility issues (such as not being able to physically move fast enough), et cetera that would all result in an incredibly angry allied team. PvP games and experiences don't take these disabilities into account, so they're out of bounds for anyone who suffers with something that would make them a less than stellar player.

Consider, for example, having fibromyalgia and anxiety. The fibromyalgia means that quick movement might be difficult, and then when they do poorly? Their team will get on their case and try to pressure them, triggering a panic attack. That's not a great time for anyone.

I just wish PvPers had more empathy.

Edited to correct typos.

Dystopia2020 · May 2018

No

AuldWolf wrote: »

We'd never get a PvE version of Cyrodiil, so I'd say yes.

I'm sad to see that there are dark tetrad (sociopathic, notably) traits on display with many posters in their lack of empathetic understanding. There are a lot of people who suffer with generalised anxiety disorder and cannot PvP. It's not about 'git gud,' it's about a physical inability to engage in such content. I know there are those who'd say that they should anyway, illness be damned, but that shows a level of inhumanity that we should -- quite frankly -- all be uncomfortable with and disgusted by.

There are many, many other disabilities too that might stand in the way of someone either playing or being successful at PvP. Poor sight, deafness, tinnitus, processing issues, mobility issues (such as not being able to physically move fast enough), et cetera that would all result in an incredibly angry allied team. PvP games and experiences don't take these disabilities into account, so they're out of bounds for anyone who suffers with something that would make them a less than stellar player.

Consider, for example, having fibromyalgia and anxiety. The fibromyalgia means that quick movement might be difficult, and then when they do poorly? Their team will get on their case and try to pressure them, triggering a panic attack. That's not a great time for anyone.

I just wish PvPers had more empathy.

Edited to correct typos.

I suffer from PTSD, wear glasses and I like to PvP, does this make me a sociopath because I don't think you deserve the the PvP skill line?

bg22 · May 2018

No

AuldWolf wrote: »

We'd never get a PvE version of Cyrodiil, so I'd say yes.

I'm sad to see that there are dark tetrad (sociopathic, notably) traits on display with many posters in their lack of empathetic understanding. There are a lot of people who suffer with generalised anxiety disorder and cannot PvP. It's not about 'git gud,' it's about a physical inability to engage in such content. I know there are those who'd say that they should anyway, illness be damned, but that shows a level of inhumanity that we should -- quite frankly -- all be uncomfortable with and disgusted by.

There are many, many other disabilities too that might stand in the way of someone either playing or being successful at PvP. Poor sight, deafness, tinnitus, processing issues, mobility issues (such as not being able to physically move fast enough), et cetera that would all result in an incredibly angry allied team. PvP games and experiences don't take these disabilities into account, so they're out of bounds for anyone who suffers with something that would make them a less than stellar player.

Consider, for example, having fibromyalgia and anxiety. The fibromyalgia means that quick movement might be difficult, and then when they do poorly? Their team will get on their case and try to pressure them, triggering a panic attack. That's not a great time for anyone.

I just wish PvPers had more empathy.

Edited to correct typos.

They are digital ppl... it’s literally the same as everything else in the game: not real.

Fighting a player is no different than fighting a NPC other than one is controlled by a program, and one is controlled by a person controlling a program.

Saying someone is psychopathic because they don’t empathize over the ridiculousness that you just said is... well, ridiculous.

Edit: Oh, and NOBODY is going to bash ANYONE for being terrible at PvP if you’re in a PUG Zerg. That’s literally how easy it is to level up your pvp skill lines. There’s no excuse.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2018

I’ve played hundreds of hours of PVP, maybe even thousands. I still don’t have my undaunted leveled up.

Can I get an undaunted token? Doing dungeons more than once, maybe twice, is boring AF to me.

kichwas · May 2018

Other

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Would you pay 2,000 Crowns for a token that:
Unlocks all the Alliance War abilities

I'm in the other camp.

I say, just put in a PvE path to the skill lines that we know from years of this game being live are used in PvE.

- And add some skyshards inside of PvE content that are 'shared completion' with the PvP zone ones. As in, if you get this PvE shard here, it also removes that PvP one other there from your list, and vice-versa.

But a crown store token? NO.

Olith · May 2018

Other

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I’ve played hundreds of hours of PVP, maybe even thousands. I still don’t have my undaunted leveled up.

Can I get an undaunted token? Doing dungeons more than once, maybe twice, is boring AF to me.

No, of course not. That would be pay to win and make you a snowflake being afraid of dying in the game world. According to the pvp supremacists in this thread.

bg22 · May 2018

No

Olith wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I’ve played hundreds of hours of PVP, maybe even thousands. I still don’t have my undaunted leveled up.

Can I get an undaunted token? Doing dungeons more than once, maybe twice, is boring AF to me.

No, of course not. That would be pay to win and you would be a snowflake being afraid of dying in the game world. According to the pvp supremacists in this thread.

He was being sarcastic.

Bc it’s p2w.

And No

Olith · May 2018

Other

bg22 wrote: »

He was being sarcastic.

Really.

Bc it’s p2w.

And No

And no what?

Orlacc · May 2018

No

Pitiful idea

Alamakot · June 2018

Cheveyo wrote: »

Other:

Make the token simply make the player unattackable for other players. Just like in regular zones. This way you still have to go get things and explore. Any quest or action that would require some kind of PvP action would be unobtainable, though. So you can't go pick up a scroll or whatever.

Perfect weapon for all trolls

Imagine group of "tokened" players just runing between others during battles. Untouchable, doing no damage, but disturbing as hell

Avalon · June 2018

Other

The biggest problem with this is the cap on number of players in each campaign. This is why they should just make a PvE campaign, that way no one is interrupting the PvP stuff.

Alamakot · June 2018

reoskit wrote: »

I just want a white flag. I want to run through Cyro without killing or being killed.

the same for bosses in vMA, I (and many other players) want to run to final chest without being killed

MakoFore · June 2018

i imagine there would be a PVE opt out option too? so players can just walk into vAS and vHOF and loot the already dead bodies of all the world bosses. because thats essentially what your asking for= and easy way to get what others have to earn, simply because its not for you...

Casterial · June 2018

No

Pay to win? I'm sorry. Get good if you wanna go into Cyrodiil. Honestly its all we have for open-world pvp. If we could we'd pay 2,000 crowns to pvp in the entire open world....

Cyrodiil has a few dolemns, few quest, and a few anchors.... That's about it.

Bobby_V_Rockit · June 2018

Yes

MakoFore wrote: »

i imagine there would be a PVE opt out option too? so players can just walk into vAS and vHOF and loot the already dead bodies of all the world bosses. because thats essentially what your asking for= and easy way to get what others have to earn, simply because its not for you...

Nah, because this is a PvE game with one zone for PvP not the other way around. Wanna play Elder Scrolls? Then play it. PvP is nothing to do with anything

Iselin · June 2018

No

People laugh about this in Bless and now some of you want it here? lol