"Pre mades are ruining BG's"
So people cant have friends and actually ppay a mmo for what it is, a multiplayer game?
Mmo's are not meant to be a solofest

Aliyavana wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

"Pre mades are ruining BG's"
So people cant have friends and actually ppay a mmo for what it is, a multiplayer game?
Mmo's are not meant to be a solofest

They are ruining bgs for pugs, mmos are not meant to be a get farmed fest too. Premades should be put against other premades so it is actually a challenge

No matter what you do, with some players it’s still no challenge even if you’d just allow a solo queue. Coincidentally in the first weeks of BGs solo queuing was all that was working - and even then people were complaining about getting farmed. The skill gap is just so huge that you can’t really solve this unless with ranked play.

I love PvP but went into BG once and hated it ,never again

Maybe i'm just crazy but at this point especially after so many warnings during morrwind, between morrowind and summer and now while also being warned in the pts and on live they want pvp to fail since pve is much easier to manage content and balance wise.

Cyrodiil was also always about ap grinding or exploiting game mechanics in general and not seen as faction pvp place.

Bhaal5 wrote: »

"Pre mades are ruining BG's"
So people cant have friends and actually ppay a mmo for what it is, a multiplayer game?
Mmo's are not meant to be a solofest

Team with the premade 400 points or 300 whatever max is in that mode...second place 20, 3rd 0

Yeah that’s real fun man, i know these people don’t enjoy good fights just rolling people

Not to be a solofest? Okay remove all solo ques, bet you’d change your mind

You've got to learn to adapt.

When I queue solo, I don't expect to just be able to stand and fight against organized groups with balanced DPS, tanking and healing. I know I'll get crushed so I kite and fight on the fringes.

When I'm with a group, I stand and fight knowing that I have group support.

I think it's really important to realize that if you've never been in Cyrodiil, during prime-time, with a smaller group that can prevail over a larger force, that you simply are not going to hold a candle to those of us who have.

Some of this game's players have honed their skill over years of play, in a multitude of scenarios, and learned the keys to walking away from their fights victorious. Many have not.

For someone who has learned how to manage many situations, BGs presents a comparatively limited set of circumstances that a knowledgeable player can fine tune their playstyle and build around.

That's just how it is. But I assure you that if you learn how to prevail in battlegrounds, you'll actually have a lot more fun in Cyrodiil. There is so much more fighting experience to be gained in the constant melee of BGs.

MajBludd wrote: »

Good luck with that, I've seen under 50 bg guilds. Made just to farm pugs

What would be awesome is if there were a way to give priority to matching all 3 teams who are members of the same guild queueing at same time, or even queuing up with 12 people to populate the teams.

In one guild we have been doing this for the past year. Usually slower traffic period we are generally able to get all three teams in the same match. This allows us to balance the teams ourselves, so even our beginners have a fun time.

I'm worried that with a lot more people in the queue this might become impossible to get all 3 teams in same match unless we start at 3am on weeknight or something.

ezeepeezee wrote: »

You've got to learn to adapt.

When I queue solo, I don't expect to just be able to stand and fight against organized groups with balanced DPS, tanking and healing. I know I'll get crushed so I kite and fight on the fringes.

When I'm with a group, I stand and fight knowing that I have group support.

I think it's really important to realize that if you've never been in Cyrodiil, during prime-time, with a smaller group that can prevail over a larger force, that you simply are not going to hold a candle to those of us who have.

Some of this game's players have honed their skill over years of play, in a multitude of scenarios, and learned the keys to walking away from their fights victorious. Many have not.

For someone who has learned how to manage many situations, BGs presents a comparatively limited set of circumstances that a knowledgeable player can fine tune their playstyle and build around.

That's just how it is. But I assure you that if you learn how to prevail in battlegrounds, you'll actually have a lot more fun in Cyrodiil. There is so much more fighting experience to be gained in the constant melee of BGs.

That's why I want bg ques separated from premades

No clue. To be honest under 50 should only be random groups.

I remember starting out in PvP, this was pretty soon after the game came out. I had like a mismatch of armor, no set, nothing above I think blue equipment, but.. you know, it was what you had if you played the game solo and hadn´t gotten into the MMO community.

I played a nightblade and jumped this guy from stealth, he was probably AFK or something. Pulled out a combo of several skills and normal attacks, just wailing on him for a bit.

It took like 20% hp off him.

Then there was a lot of ride ride ride, die in literally less than 2 seconds, ride ride ride, repeat.

I´ve learned from it and gotten a lot better, but I can certainly see how these experiences can make people just go "err... no, never again, no point" and never get into it.

If you stick to it, you can get into it and it can be fun, though IMO too repetitive. But the curve isn´t so much as a curve as a wall. And there is absolutely no newbie zone. Sub50 isnt that either (partly because of me, sorry about that ).

MajBludd wrote: »

Exactly. That's what I tried to explain to them. But they don't care about the health of the game, only about ap and bragging about rekking newbs. Pvp guilds are cancer imo

Used to be a day when peeps aspired to be like the big dogs (I'm not one. I suck) rather than whine and moan about getting owned. Seriously. Get friends. Make a team. Get good. Beat em. Nobody wants to hear it.

Vizier wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Exactly. That's what I tried to explain to them. But they don't care about the health of the game, only about ap and bragging about rekking newbs. Pvp guilds are cancer imo

Used to be a day when peeps aspired to be like the big dogs (I'm not one. I suck) rather than whine and moan about getting owned. Seriously. Get friends. Make a team. Get good. Beat em. Nobody wants to hear it.

Sure, let me just wake up my friends while they are asleep

Aliyavana wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

You've got to learn to adapt.

When I queue solo, I don't expect to just be able to stand and fight against organized groups with balanced DPS, tanking and healing. I know I'll get crushed so I kite and fight on the fringes.

When I'm with a group, I stand and fight knowing that I have group support.

I think it's really important to realize that if you've never been in Cyrodiil, during prime-time, with a smaller group that can prevail over a larger force, that you simply are not going to hold a candle to those of us who have.

Some of this game's players have honed their skill over years of play, in a multitude of scenarios, and learned the keys to walking away from their fights victorious. Many have not.

For someone who has learned how to manage many situations, BGs presents a comparatively limited set of circumstances that a knowledgeable player can fine tune their playstyle and build around.

That's just how it is. But I assure you that if you learn how to prevail in battlegrounds, you'll actually have a lot more fun in Cyrodiil. There is so much more fighting experience to be gained in the constant melee of BGs.

That's why I want bg ques separated from premades

But premades aren't the only issue. I can jump in a team of randoms and still win a game because I am a force of my own (assuming I am not playing against a team of coordinated, competitive players as well). I alone can make the other teams cry foul about premades and the like. I'm not bragging here, just stating how it is.

As somebody else here said (please excuse me for not quoting): We need MMR if this issue is truly going to be solved.

MMR should actually be relatively easy to implement. There are already leaderboards - players can be matched based on their leaderboard position. This will naturally filter stronger players up and leave others to compete against each other without constantly getting creamed by fine-tuned builds and experienced players.

I do completely agree that there needs to be a separation of players based on their skill level, HOWEVER, I also believe that you will only improve if you play against better players and learn from their successes and your own mistakes. To that end I think it's best that things stay somewhat randomly seeded. Trust me, a coordinated group of 2-4 can take down a strong individual player if they work at it.

What I would suggest is that ZOS temporarily not allow premades for a time and see if there is an improvement.

Feanor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

MMR should actually be relatively easy to implement. There are already leaderboards - players can be matched based on their leaderboard position. This will naturally filter stronger players up and leave others to compete against each other without constantly getting creamed by fine-tuned builds and experienced players.

The leaderboard is pretty much just an index of time spent in BGs that week, though.

An MMR system would be cool, but would really require the leaderboard and medal system to be exhaustively reworked.

It’s not really hard to attach an ELO rating calculation to the end of the game. You could even weigh and include kills, assists and deaths into the formula. Then after a few weeks the pairing gets better and better. It was an issue with BGs bring Morrowind exclusive. It’s not really one now.

Right, and that would work, but it's not how the leaderboards currently function.