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Feedback: Rapid Fire = 175 / Soul Strike = 100 (Bow Ultimate is too Expensive)
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »Figured the same thing out this weekend, and switched to SOUL ASSAULT from the bow ult.
Clearly not balanced... WROBEL'd
SMH
...magicka classes have to use dawn breakers with no magic damage.
change one, change them all!
Magicka has more ultimate morphs in this game than stamina does.
In non CP PvP everyone can use every ultimate, since only CP effects which ultimate is better or worse for Magicka or Stamina.
Also there are some really strong counter towards the Bow Ultimate, DK's Reflect and the Sword and Board ultimate can reflect all of it. Used those counters myself and seen people nuke themselves to death. Can't do anything but block and LOS the Soul Assault.
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West93✭✭✭✭✭You can't use other abilities while channeling SA and for bow ulti you actually can, that changes a lot. Try to SA while you are in 1vX, not that great. Its good ulti against medium armor builds who are built to rely on roll dodge for defense, but in other situations as I mentioned, not that great, therefore I don't see it being too OP. Everything needs to have a counter, don't expect to be godly as a medium armor build.There should be counter for everything and SA counters these builds just right.0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm all against stamina supremacy. But I can clearly see, that the Bow ult is not good for what it costs and does.
Comparing it to soul assault is just too obvious. Soul Assault is pretty bad and the bow ult is even worse.
The thing is, that soul assault looks good on paper when compared to other burst ults like meteor and dawnbreaker. It deals the same or more damage during the first second. But it still never achieves to kill.
Have you ever used SA against medium armor builds?0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can't use other abilities while channeling SA and for bow ulti you actually can, that changes a lot. Try to SA while you are in 1vX, not that great. Its good ulti against medium armor builds who are built to rely on roll dodge for defense, but in other situations as I mentioned, not that great, therefore I don't see it being too OP. Everything needs to have a counter, don't expect to be godly as a medium armor build.There should be counter for everything and SA counters these builds just right.
There is a difference between counter and hard counter. The counter is that its undodgeable. Not being able to bash it, snaring you for 70% and costing 20k stam to block it isnt a counter. Its the exact opposite. It basically takes away ur ability to actually counter it. Those are hard counters and horrible design.3 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Whoever brought up the 2h ulti aswell, gg. That ulti is also extremely weak in most situations.
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You can't use other abilities while channeling SA and for bow ulti you actually can, that changes a lot. Try to SA while you are in 1vX, not that great. Its good ulti against medium armor builds who are built to rely on roll dodge for defense, but in other situations as I mentioned, not that great, therefore I don't see it being too OP. Everything needs to have a counter, don't expect to be godly as a medium armor build.There should be counter for everything and SA counters these builds just right.
You're talking about one morph of the bow ultimate. The other 2 morphs don't allow you to use other abilities while it fires.1 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Updated original post for more detail and added the following suggestion for ultimate cost:
Rapid Fire = 100
Toxic Barrage = 125
Ballista = 175 (although a case could be made for 150 as it is still a single target skill)Edited by GrumpyDuckling on April 6, 2018 5:34PM1 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Update on 5/21/18 to include developer changes and feedback, which make the bow ultimate a little more in-line with Soul Assault, but they're still missing a cost reduction.0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't forget that with the Long Shots and Hawk Eye Passives, that the bow Ulti can reach an additional 37% more damage.
The poison one deals roughly the same damage as the channel portion as a DoT, so you can cast+cancel and begin to spam a rotation.
Ballista can simply be performed while doing a rotation.
I do think that the 175 cost is a bit much, but 100 is too low given that it can be overlaid with other sources of damage. I'd suggest somewhere around 150.0 -
exiars10✭✭✭I am shocked they at least did something about bow ultimate...I don't play ESO since 15.06. because Cyrodiil is broken since Summerset (PvE isn't much better, too)...
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