Crown Store - Forum QQ meltdown

Beardimus · May 2018

Well @Eyro we might as well agree to disagree now. Arguing with strangers via text never ends well...

But here goes. Because P2W would actually break the gameplay, and as the OP said many games go that route and it ruins them.

Fair enough, that clearly through this thread avid collectors of cosmetics have stepped forward to say that IS their game. And i respect that. I enjoy trading, and would hate an AH as it would break what I enjoy, others hate trading each to their own. I get it.

Your suggestion was why should cosmetic collectors take the brunt, as if there's a group of people whos soul enjoyment is collecting cosmetics. And to hell with gameplay, (as not important to their side) let's have P2W for gear etc. And i think that insults them.

You were using an extreme example to prove a point and I'm sorry but its just absurd. Most players I know would not want gameplay wrecked for the sake of some financial harmony. I'm sorry but to those whom collecting every cosmetic is the game are in a minority. And yes their niche loses out, pays the price, but if I'm honest that's fair enough, If you into collecting cosmetics you gotta know its gunna cost you IRL bucks as they in the store!! Suddenly having BIS weapons would be a complete model shift.

You have a point, and that I've seen in this thread for the first time. That to some collecting paid gear IS the game. But your point is lost trying to make a point by saying "how would you feel if gameplay became P2W" it's absurd.

EVERYONE loses with P2W.

Right now a niche lose with P4S (Pay for Shiny)

And I'm sorry but the many other threads about this just come over as entitlement / lack of purchase control. So many of us, as per the OP are just fed up of it. Bottom line is ZOS van see the market bring defended in this thread and WILL continue. And I'm happy as it funds my games longevity. Is that selfish, yep, but i know i cant afford to invest much so glad others are.

Eyro · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Well @Eyro we might as well agree to disagree now. Arguing with strangers via text never ends well...

But here goes. Because P2W would actually break the gameplay, and as the OP said many games go that route and it ruins them.

Fair enough, that clearly through this thread avid collectors of cosmetics have stepped forward to say that IS their game. And i respect that. I enjoy trading, and would hate an AH as it would break what I enjoy, others hate trading each to their own. I get it.

Your suggestion was why should cosmetic collectors take the brunt, as if there's a group of people whos soul enjoyment is collecting cosmetics. And to hell with gameplay, (as not important to their side) let's have P2W for gear etc. And i think that insults them.

You were using an extreme example to prove a point and I'm sorry but its just absurd. Most players I know would not want gameplay wrecked for the sake of some financial harmony. I'm sorry but to those whom collecting every cosmetic is the game are in a minority. And yes their niche loses out, pays the price, but if I'm honest that's fair enough, If you into collecting cosmetics you gotta know its gunna cost you IRL bucks as they in the store!! Suddenly having BIS weapons would be a complete model shift.

You have a point, and that I've seen in this thread for the first time. That to some collecting paid gear IS the game. But your point is lost trying to make a point by saying "how would you feel if gameplay became P2W" it's absurd.

EVERYONE loses with P2W.

Right now a niche lose with P4S (Pay for Shiny)

And I'm sorry but the many other threads about this just come over as entitlement / lack of purchase control. So many of us, as per the OP are just fed up of it. Bottom line is ZOS van see the market bring defended in this thread and WILL continue. And I'm happy as it funds my games longevity. Is that selfish, yep, but i know i cant afford to invest much so glad others are.

Yes we do disagree. And that will probably not change. And would also point out to you, that it is just as insulting to tell people who enjoy cosmetics that they are only upset because they can’t control their spending.

I can control my spending. Im annoyed that a part of the game I enjoy is locked behind a second pay wall. Something many other players of the game don’t have to deal with.

Edits and honestly I don’t want them to sell equipment. I mostly just use that as an example. Because usually the people who come out the hardest to bash those saying they don’t like buying cosmetics are those that don’t like cosmetics. So you have to tie it to something they care about before you can even get them to stop just calling you entitled and telling you that you have poor impulse control.

Inoki · May 2018

Only here for a while but I already learned much about the system. It's sad to see a company sinking their own ship with practices like this.

I'm one of those who immensely enjoys the content what they are fully aware of having a look at my account and the money I spent, but that doesn't mean they should deliberately sabotage their own work with practices like these - enforcing absurd pricing on pixels that will never have any real world value whatsoever.

It's also my first time to pay for a subscription. I only played games without and I decided to buy one to support what I enjoy, but if they go on like this I might reconsider.

It's like,

you feed them, instead of being satiated they become even hungrier. Beastliness. Greed.

What they are doing will never have the effect they hope for, regardless of the mind games and tricks they are trying to pull off. Quite the opposite.

People will boycott, rebel and eventually leave. Saw this happen with other titles, it can and will happen here if they don't stop.

I think the only reason why they didn't stop with the nonsense yet is that not enough people have started boycotting and when they compare statistics with people complaining in forums and overall revenue they say "it's just a few peasants murmuring on forums, just carry on" but what starts as a spark can eventually burn down your house if you're not careful.

Istoppucks · May 2018

Its the topic where the 10-15 vocal daily complainers get their best return on their desperately needed "agrees". So they spam every topic on it and upvote each other all day.

JKorr · May 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Cant wait to see how people will react when someone will be able to learn all jewelery traits in 1 day by spending over 40k crowns on research scrolls when others will have to do it in over 3 months

I think you mean they will choose to do it in 3 months? The scrolls are available for purchase by everyone - its only up to you to decide if the price is worth it.

I think You dont realize that during 1st month after update release those people will be able to get any payment they want for crafting 9 traits sets jewelery.

So....people spending RL money for crowns to buy scrolls to make jewelry quickly to get in-game gold that, unless they do something illegal, has no connection to RL money....

And after that spending RL money, what benefit does the gold get them? From other threads about how to make gold, the people who want to make gold have it in piles in their banks, and nothing worth spending it on in the game. Don't really see the point of being upset some crafters might buy the scrolls. I'm not planning to, and I have crowns sitting from my sub.

Istoppucks · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Yeah. Its a bunch of people attempting to shove their over-the-top morale agendas of whether the community is responsible for the individuals decision to gamble their money away onto everyone.

I'm a strong believer in not being responsible for the decisions or actions involving financial decisions of others.

I can manage my urges and spend responsibly. I also don't NEED to have items in the crown store, so if I feel the price has increased, I just don't buy it. I speak with my money - not by attempting to shame people who make a personal decision to spend THEIR money on something THEY feel is worth it.

I'm not shaming anyone just saying that things need to change because why bother playing the game when more than 99% of the cosmetics are on a transactional cash shop rather than rewards in game

Easily answered. Why bother? Because I enjoy it as part of the whole experience. I could as easily say "why bother with leaderboards" or "why bother with PvP" but I don't because I understand that others find that enjoyable and/or gratifying.

Some would rather earn content than keep having to pay for it as well

Now IF all they released in game was new mounts, outfits and pets I can guarantee those like YOU would be screaming all day on here that mounts, outfits and pets are NOT content. But because you have this weird obsession with the store you will try to claim mounts, outfits and pets are content.

This game add more CONTENT then most MMOs today. Nothing wrong with having mounts, outfits and pets in the store.

KivakWolf · May 2018

Istoppucks wrote: »

Its the topic where the 10-15 vocal daily complainers get their best return on their desperately needed "agrees". So they spam every topic on it and upvote each other all day.

Yeah because we've nothing better to do than get up-votes on a forum... come on dude, that's pretty demeaning.

Istoppucks wrote: »

Now IF all they released in game was new mounts, outfits and pets I can guarantee those like YOU would be screaming all day on here that mounts, outfits and pets are NOT content. But because you have this weird obsession with the store you will try to claim mounts, outfits and pets are content.

This game add more CONTENT then most MMOs today. Nothing wrong with having mounts, outfits and pets in the store.

I don't think you're in a place where you can tell us what we would do since you clearly don't understand the motivations of people who are against this argument in the first place. I too would like the majority of mounts to be attainable by playing the game. It gives a sense of accomplishment. WoW does it wonderfully. While there are always going to be a fringe group of people who wants to buy everything, the vast majority of people playing WoW enjoy that.

Apache_Kid · May 2018

Istoppucks wrote: »

Its the topic where the 10-15 vocal daily complainers get their best return on their desperately needed "agrees". So they spam every topic on it and upvote each other all day.

Wow it's almost as if other people agree with us and that we have valid points. Wild stuff. It's ALMOST as if we are posting to get ZoS's attention. But nah... that'd be crazy right?

Oberick · May 2018

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Just giving some good criticism before its to late

I am utterly gob-smacked.

Some of the ESO players need to go play some of the other MMOs using GG systems especially the Korean ones where its total P2W and your characters levelling speed, abilities and stats can be directly influenced and bought via the in game gold store. Heck I remember playing PWO where you could buy Dragon Orbs to refine your equipment and people were spending thousands of £££'s just to have an OPed character, or buying Nix feathers from random crates so you could have a PvP pet that 1 hit everyone.

If its totally cosmetic people need to get a bloody grip, your gaming experience does not change or diminish due to not having a specific cosmetic item.

You do realize that the faster all the whales give up and switch games the faster ESO dies right?

I'm all for cosmetic cash shops but the higher you rise prices on stuff or lower the percentage for good drops on random items like loot boxes the more people you upset and eventually the less money you make in the long run. And more people quitting means less farmed items on in game markets and longer queue times for group stuff.

Saying hey just don't buy it! Hurts the game in the long run.

Orticia · May 2018

Because cosmetics and fun stuff is content, a goal to aim for. But what is available for real money only isn't much of a goal or content. You don't have to play the game for it, heck you hardly have to even open the game for it. People like carrots to chase to give playing a sense of purpose/aim. For some that is getting the best at PVP, getting the best loot drops from the highest difficulty group content.... many simply like to chase cosmetics as a sort of catch them all game. That last playstyle, which a lot of people have or atleast do as well gains nothing from store only stuff.

Besides the store stuff is not only real money exclusive, but often very expensive too (to much for my taste, so for me personally they might as well not exist). Meaning I just invest in what makes the actual game play better/more... aka DLC areas.

I am not against a game store at all. Game makers need to earn money to keep the lights on, keep investors happy and work on new content. Games are expensive. There just needs to be a good balance to keep playing the actual game nice enough. If the game itself looses it's appeal, the store associated with it won't be used anymore either. Danger of pushing the store to much, adding to little to the game, or making the game with to much or to annoying penalties only the store can solve,

Wayshuba · May 2018

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

My original complaint with the direction of the crown store had to do with the decision to hide PAGES (not the whole book) of a new motif behind the RNG crates. As someone who prides themselves on being a master crafter, that idea was abhorrent.

THANKFULLY, it would seem they reversed that decision, and have since made those pages available from fishing holes in Summerset.

But just the fact that they were considering the former gives me pause.

They haven't changed it. They are STILL introducing individual pages with the psijic crates. Yes, they are also making that motif obtainable through fishing in Summerset (though I would bet the drop rates will be atrociously low), but that does not guarantee they will do the same in the future. I have a feeling, once people have accepted individual pages in the crates, that later crown crates will have motif pages exclusive to the crates.

Wayshuba · May 2018

To the OPs question:

I could care less what they do with cosmetics in the store or what they price them at. If I feel that items are overpriced (as I do with most stuff in the CS these days), it is my choice not to buy. Not a big deal.

What does bother me, is when game design itself starts getting impacted by CS decisions. The outfit system was intentionally designed to be expensive to try and get people to purchase tokens to "change" clothes. The prices on additional outfit slots are, quite frankly, ludicrous at $15 a slot when you buy the same thing for less than a dollar in other MMOs.

Chapters were introduced to get people to spend more on content drops. ESO+ members were supposed to have access to all content as part of their sub. That changed with chapters. Content wise, these chapters aren't giving you much more than one standard vanilla zone yet we are now paying for it. Morrowind and Summerset, from a content standpoint, really don't have much more than Orsinium, yet Orsinium comes with ESO+ membership and the two former ones require separate purchases.

Jewelry Crafting is intentionally being designed to be a longer slog than similar crafts (blacksmithing, clothing ,woodworking) to try and get people to purchase stuff to cut down the grind from the CS. What makes this particularly ham-fisted is people are PAYING to get jewelry crafting to begin with. This thing is an EA sleaze move from start to finish.

So my big issue is that with every content patch ZoS seems to be changing the game design around what they can monetize. I have an issue paying for a game to begin with and then having F2P mobile tactics be added in. Either make the game free and have these in game or keep it as is (i.e., purchase required) and stop adding F2P monetization in game.

dsalter · May 2018

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

imagine redecorating your real house living room, but you can only buy your couch for a limited time only even tho the company has mass production power and (for arguments sake) has infinite materials to make more, this is what a "limited sale" is for digital items.

imagine then you want to buy a new tv, coffee table etc, but you cant just open up a catalogue and buy what you like. nope. you have to pay for "blind bags" and HOPE you get everything you want for your room, you could end up with 8 potted plants, a table and an ottoman, but the main things you wanted being tv and radio did not "drop".
this is a crown crate.

your living room is a "cosmetic room" but yet you enjoy "living" in it, no?

Inoki · May 2018

Wayshuba wrote: »

So my big issue is that with every content patch ZoS seems to be changing the game design around what they can monetize. I have an issue paying for a game to begin with and then having F2P mobile tactics be added in. Either make the game free and have these in game or keep it as is (i.e., purchase required) and stop adding F2P monetization in game.

^ this exactly.

Pricing is way over the top and it's highly disappointing and discouraging to see every single aspect of most games being designed only around how to monetize content to the max.

I recall Guild Wars 2 with their latest expansion added mounts despite the initial philosophy of never doing that and it's not that they would be a must in the game but it's just to monetize them through customization (skins) at absurd prices.

ESO, currently, has an (optional) subscription which due to the benefits it offers shifts from optional to essential. Personally, I think ESO Plus is a great idea to support the game and with a few tweaks can be even more lucrative so more people would purchase. That would ensure a constant revenue stream that would not require a Crown Store (in an ideal world).

The Crown Store itself is ludicrously overpriced. Some items cost nearly more than the game itself with the most comical of examples being an outfit slot for 15$. That is just insane. 5$ for just a slot is too much.

heaven13 · May 2018

dsalter wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

imagine redecorating your real house living room, but you can only buy your couch for a limited time only even tho the company has mass production power and (for arguments sake) has infinite materials to make more, this is what a "limited sale" is for digital items.

imagine then you want to buy a new tv, coffee table etc, but you cant just open up a catalogue and buy what you like. nope. you have to pay for "blind bags" and HOPE you get everything you want for your room, you could end up with 8 potted plants, a table and an ottoman, but the main things you wanted being tv and radio did not "drop".
this is a crown crate.

your living room is a "cosmetic room" but yet you enjoy "living" in it, no?

lol, love this analogy. With ZOS though, they take it even another step further!

And then 3 weeks later they release the exact same couch in blue instead of grey, and it's 500 crowns dollars more. It's also only available for a few days. Blue really fits your room better but you can't return your old couch or pay the difference to reupholster it in the new color. Now you just have 2 couches, even though you can only use one. Or you stick with the grey version even though you like blue better because it just doesn't make sense to pay more than the original price for a hue shift.

Marginis · May 2018

Main problems (some I agree are problems, some not so much):

RNG-based systems, aka crown crates. Having a system based around RNG is gambling, and takes advantage of players.
Certain items ONLY being available via RNG, aka radiant apex crown crate rewards. Having these as options is very unfair to players solely because they don't have luck on their side (you can spend thousands and still possibly never get a single radiant apex reward), is biased against players who don't have money on their side (to get more chances and greater [theoretical] odds), and takes great advantage of shady loot crate tactics and microtransactions).
The high cost of everything in the crown store, namely mounts and player homes. It's often asked why a single digital house in a game costs the same as three brand new triple A games.
Timed exclusives, like holiday events, including but not exclusive to items in the crown store. Digital items are not limited by physical constraints like physical products, so it is surmised that the primary (or only) reason for items being limited like this is to make them "more rare", and therefore worth more to some people, or to get those on the buying end to experience FOMO, or fear-of-missing-out, and have more drive to purchase quickly (purchasing quickly meaning they tend to make less informed decisions). The complaint is that this unfairly hurts players who do miss out, and could actually be losing ZOS money from all the players who would buy if the items weren't limited.
Certain gameplay items that could be considered "pay-to-win". Aside from small things like experience boosts and high tier food and potion consumables, there are also several items that some players say are affecting the game negatively for those who don't have the money to spend. For example, they might argue that additional character or outfit slots should be available through gameplay, and not only via crowns. Some of these, like expedited researches, are also sometimes considered an unfair advantage.

[Edited for grammar]

MasterSpatula · May 2018

There was a large contingent of Day One players who would never have bothered with the game if ZOS hadn't made a promise that it would always be a Sub game and there would never be a cash shop. I'm definitely among that number.

I quit the game for a year after Tamriel Unlimited was released. I was, frankly, sickened by the whole idea. Regardless of what a lot of people think, cosmetics is a major part of the game for a lot of people. And, as an RPG enthusiast first and foremost, being able to pay real-world money for in-game anything only happens in bad games made by bad developers.

They broke their promise. Mostly, I blame the players for this, but still... I was only ever here because of the promise.

When I came back, the monetization turned out to be not as bad as I'd expected. But, in the couple of years since then, the trend has not been in a positive direction.

Now, combine the lack of RPG integrity that is real-world money for in-game anything with the utter lack of any ethical integrity that is the Crown Crates, and you might understand why I've lost a lot of whatever respect and trust I had for ZOS developers. The introduction of Crown Crates has, in all honesty, made me a lot less impartial when it comes to the behavior of devs. It's very difficult for me to give anyone who would even consider gamble boxes the benefit of the doubt. We're all adults here. We've all done bad things and had bad things done to us, so I think we all know how hard it is to win back trust once you've squandered it.

Crafting is an important part of the game for me and, in my opinion, a part of the game ZOS has not done well by. The only real challenge, the only real gameplay in crafting these days is the acquisition of motifs, so when ZOS announced a Crown-Crate-only motif, I learned I was still capable of being shocked by how low ZOS would go. Sure, they reversed the decision, but the damage was already done. Some actions are so low that a willingness to do them is the worst part, whether or not you actually follow through. I've barely been in-game in the last three weeks, mostly because my enthusiasm for the game was crippled by that announcement.

So yeah, my distaste for ZOS is at a high right now, and I'm not sure they can earn my respect back.

(Also, "QQ" makes you look like a prick when you're 14 and makes you look like a 14-year-old prick when you're any older.)

ShadowMonarch · May 2018

Its more about the fact they ignore serious problems while pumping out crown store stuff on cooldown. Players would like to see the game come before the $$$.

Rain_Greyraven · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression that the gaming industry should be a labor of love and thus they should be rewarded with love and admiration from their fans rather than real money.

Yep it's a generational thing.

Personally I love the Business model, (of course I love most things that are related to capitalism) it insures the game will be around for a very long time and it pisses off the progressives so it's a twofer

Istoppucks wrote: »

Its the topic where the 10-15 vocal daily complainers get their best return on their desperately needed "agrees". So they spam every topic on it and upvote each other all day.

Yep that's why certain thespian Community ambassadors have a couple thousand "awesomes"

It's also why nothing that is said on the forums is taken seriously

phobossion · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Because its all about a cash grab now mostly, can't earn anything in game like in other MMO's

I'm just returning to the game and planning to sub (ESO+) so I just wanted to understand this better. Coming from WoW, there I pay my $15 a month and I can get the cool mount from raids/questlines/etc. Is there nothing like that in ESO? Are all the cool rewards really hidden behind rng gambling boxes? When I was leaving the game they mostly just had DLCs and cosmetics in the store, but you could choose what you buy - is that gone now?

Jhalin · May 2018

phobossion wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Because its all about a cash grab now mostly, can't earn anything in game like in other MMO's

I'm just returning to the game and planning to sub (ESO+) so I just wanted to understand this better. Coming from WoW, there I pay my $15 a month and I can get the cool mount from raids/questlines/etc. Is there nothing like that in ESO? Are all the cool rewards really hidden behind rng gambling boxes? When I was leaving the game they mostly just had DLCs and cosmetics in the store, but you could choose what you buy - is that gone now?

There are zero earnable mounts through questing or raiding.

There are costumes available for finishing certain DLC questlines.

The majority of base game costumes from leveling are of debatable quality.

tldr: The only cosmetics worth earning require DLC access

MadLarkin · May 2018

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression that the gaming industry should be a labor of love and thus they should be rewarded with love and admiration from their fans rather than real money.

Yep it's a generational thing.

Personally I love the Business model, (of course I love most things that are related to capitalism) it insures the game will be around for a very long time and it pisses off the progressives so it's a twofer

Istoppucks wrote: »

Its the topic where the 10-15 vocal daily complainers get their best return on their desperately needed "agrees". So they spam every topic on it and upvote each other all day.

Yep that's why certain thespian Community ambassadors have a couple thousand "awesomes"

It's also why nothing that is said on the forums is taken seriously

Its not a generational thing. I'm over 30 and I think ESO's current business model is garbage. Moreover, literally no one has said that ZOS shouldn't make money for their work. All I've said is that the constant slicing up of content and locking desirable items behind real money RNG is a business practice that is insulting. Charge for the game, fine. Charge for chapters, fine. Charge for DLC, fine. Have an optional sub, fine. On top of all of that, have a store with some cosmetics. But stop with the RNG crates. Stop with the free to play style account services in the store. Stop overcharging for time-limited homes and things like outfit slots. If people pay $40 for a chapter that includes a new character class, throw in a couple extra character slots. The fact that someone can pay $100 for a home with limited functionality and still only have half the possible decoration slots available to them if they don't sub is laughable to me. They essentially want people to double or triple or even quadruple dip on every new "feature" they release. Its too much.

driosketch · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

To be honest all this thread is proving is ZOS is right.

I always seen Cosmetics as a side thing i can take or leave. And assumed most where the same.

The passion to scream in this thread that for many the game is the cosmetics and collecting it all means ZOS has targetted the right group. As they get pennies out of me in comparison.

I now see why most costumes in crown store are civilian themed etc

This is true to a certain extent. Different people play ESO for a variety of reasons. Some players don't leave Cyrodiil if they can help it. Others spend as much time decorating houses and characters as some do running trials. And all of them may be upset with ZOS's marketing for different reasons: where resources are being spent, the cost or design, or the diminishing of in game achievables. It doesn't matter if you can put yourself in another's shoe and see from their perspective. Any outsider can take a look and see that ZOS knows where their profits are.

We should also acknowledge that "QQ" posts have caused them to walk back some decisions a few times. So, I don't see that changing any time soon with such posts.

PrayingSeraph · May 2018

I'm very conflicted with this. I dont hate crates enough not to buy them, but I don't particularly support it. What is true however is that all lootcrates play on gambling emotions. It's exciting to open crates, its an addicting feeling.

Rawkan · May 2018

This would make more sense if the store items gave you any kind of advantage. If you can't live without that reskinned mount then buy it, but it changes nothing in the game.

Marginis · May 2018

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

I'm very conflicted with this. I dont hate crates enough not to buy them, but I don't particularly support it. What is true however is that all lootcrates play on gambling emotions. It's exciting to open crates, its an addicting feeling.

I hate the actually opening of crates. For me it gives me disappointment, not joy, every time I must open one, even without seeing the rewards.