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If you play the Dragon Knight class and hoped for better changes in Summerset... Well abandon ship.
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✭Murador178 wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Everytime a new patch comes I see Dk threads. Meanwhile I dont see a single stamsorc buff thread. Where is the love?
Or a buff stamplar. I didnt see even a single change to stamplars in the patch notes. While stam dk got quite a few buffs - if its enought to make stam dk a great class again will be seen when we can test it.
Stam DK really got nothing ... the magicka version is a little better off but not really the Stam version... On paper the major mending buff looks better but they tooks a 4k shield down to 1k..... and gave 2 secs more major mending...Keep in mind its super expensive... Most stam dks run about 10-12k magicka that spell is 4k + and your Armor buff is 3k lol .... soooooo same ole issue ...PVP DEADWAIT
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.
If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.
Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you
Fragmented shields will be an awesome skill for Stam DKs and likely very strong for DK Healers, which will finally be a thing in Summerset.
The only worry I have is how the stacking of shields will be handled between a DK Tank and a DK Healer.
Its basically the old igneous shields, -1 second duration. The only difference is that we now will have easier time with magicka sustain, which is helpful obviously. But you people should stop acting like stamDKs got major mending out of nowhere. They always had it.
StamDk's number 1 issue is having way too low kill potential, which remains as an issue in my opinion. The way I look at it, magDks have %95 of the cake while stamDks only have 2 dots and major mending. You could argue for leap but truth is every stam toon has dawnbreaker, so Its much bigger for magDks than it is for stamDKs.
Gotta wait until Summerset PTS to really know how Stam DK does. At the very least, Two-Handed and Bow will both count as two set pieces instead of one. That alone will help in PvP.
That helps every class!PVP DEADWAIT
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✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@StaticWave
My Stam DK is the one who's almost a warlord... So I play my Stam DK more. I don't really see a good PvP stam DK relying on major mending after the changes to earthen hearts' helping hands anymore. I use to run it but stopped after knowing I'd kill nearly 50% of my Mag resources just to get a dismal return in stamina and a 3 second (Use to be 5 when that change was done to helping hands I believe) major mending.
Well dk mains complained about major mending nerf and now zos giving it back to them. You guys should be grateful because as a stamsorc main I have YET to see a single buff to my class. Stamsorc is literally at the lowest of the foodchain in pvp, yet we got no buff in this patch or last patch, or this upcoming patch. Even stamplars got no buff. How many buff stamsorc threads have you seen?
Stamsorc on the end of the food chain? Is it possible that you abuse painkillers?
Stamsorc turned into a complete beast with the last patch. You can run full damage builds and fully sustain via DD and no one can stop you from spamming it.
Saying you got no buff is laughable, stamsorc got a huge buff with the off balance changes, Steel tornado being undodgeable and the biggest buff was Interrupt changes.
There is no way a stamsorc loses in any category vs a stamdk. You have more pressure, more damage, more sustain, better mobility etc.
Stamsorcs are at the lowest position in the foodchain though. I don't see that many stamsorcs in cyrodill. Can you explain to me? And no, I've tried running a full dmg build with 800 regen. It does not work, period. The moment you get swamped and you can't dark deal, you're done for. If you rely on dark deal for sustain, then you're only good in groups where you can rely on your teammate. In solo it's horrible. Steel tornado and interrupt change is not a sorc buff. It's an indirect buff yea, but other classes also benefit. Give me one direct buff that stamsorc has and we can start discussing.
There are more Stam sorcs solo and in groups !! Stam Sorcs are in a better position then the Stam DKPVP DEADWAIT
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✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that
I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...Edited by Durham on May 17, 2018 3:17PMPVP DEADWAIT
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sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
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✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
If the question is which class is not better to something than other, I would say Magsorc : Bad healing, average mobility (anything stamina meta is more mobile than a sorc) average damage (NB have better pressure/burst) and shield is the worse defensive mechanic.0 -
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✭✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
If the question is which class is not better to something than other, I would say Magsorc : Bad healing, average mobility (anything stamina meta is more mobile than a sorc) average damage (NB have better pressure/burst) and shield is the worse defensive mechanic.
Yet it's the unquestioned king of duels
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✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
If the question is which class is not better to something than other, I would say Magsorc : Bad healing, average mobility (anything stamina meta is more mobile than a sorc) average damage (NB have better pressure/burst) and shield is the worse defensive mechanic.
Yet it's the unquestioned king of duels
Unquestioned king of no crown ? Sorc didn't won a duel tournement since years. Don't tell me pet sorc is op, because they don't win.0 -
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✭✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
If the question is which class is not better to something than other, I would say Magsorc : Bad healing, average mobility (anything stamina meta is more mobile than a sorc) average damage (NB have better pressure/burst) and shield is the worse defensive mechanic.
Yet it's the unquestioned king of duels
Unquestioned king of no crown ? Sorc didn't won a duel tournement since years. Don't tell me pet sorc is op, because they don't win.
Yes because they aren't allowed.
Find someone who beats @Murador178 with his new build in a week0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mag sorcs king of duels? What?
Does console still play the 2016 patch cycle?
A mNB should always beat a mag sorc of equal skill level.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
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Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
every 'good' NA Player i met on the PTS for some duels were running out of stam on their magchars Pretty quick, @Murador178 had the same experience1 -
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Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
every 'good' NA Player i met on the PTS for some duels were running out of stam on their magchars Pretty quick, @Murador178 had the same experience
Well yeah, that’s usually how they die... on your server do they run out of mag first, instead? I’m not quite sure how to interpret your comment.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
every 'good' NA Player i met on the PTS for some duels were running out of stam on their magchars Pretty quick, @Murador178 had the same experience
Well yeah, that’s usually how they die... on your server do they run out of mag first, instead? I’m not quite sure how to interpret your comment.
no but they don't die in 18 seconds because they can't break free anymore
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Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
every 'good' NA Player i met on the PTS for some duels were running out of stam on their magchars Pretty quick, @Murador178 had the same experience
Well yeah, that’s usually how they die... on your server do they run out of mag first, instead? I’m not quite sure how to interpret your comment.
no but they don't die in 18 seconds because they can't break free anymore
Are you a mag DK?PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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it was very consistent with every class i played, NA Players feel like they haven't caught up to Duel Builds or any Builds for that matter
Only argonians can pull off having Stam that low AFAIK
Most run 13k+
every 'good' NA Player i met on the PTS for some duels were running out of stam on their magchars Pretty quick, @Murador178 had the same experience
Well yeah, that’s usually how they die... on your server do they run out of mag first, instead? I’m not quite sure how to interpret your comment.
no but they don't die in 18 seconds because they can't break free anymore
Are you a mag DK?
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Murador178✭✭✭✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
And which classes are those?
If the question is which class is not better to something than other, I would say Magsorc : Bad healing, average mobility (anything stamina meta is more mobile than a sorc) average damage (NB have better pressure/burst) and shield is the worse defensive mechanic.
Yet it's the unquestioned king of duels
Unquestioned king of no crown ? Sorc didn't won a duel tournement since years. Don't tell me pet sorc is op, because they don't win.
Yes because they aren't allowed.
Find someone who beats @Murador178 with his new build in a week
Not very hard to beat it: u could go 4 pet sorc - the king of duels since ever. The question why it never wins duel tournaments is easy answered - it was almost always banned
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U can also beat sorcs easy with sloads duroks minor defile poisons light attacking with sloads + with infused oblivion + about 70 points in defoul - u cant even outheal that with surge+mutagen - even had trouble with heal pet.
There are quite some rly annoying builds upcoming.
I just noticed that non duel stam builds seemed very weak on the pts for almost any magicka build. Needed on my main since ever stam nb around 26k hp with over 3k crit resist + 20k resist from slotting 1 piece armor/mr bonuses on stam nb to not be sorc combod.
A high damage sorc with ele drain prob can still meteor combo me with these stats so i just cloak in a duel every time 2 secs before curse goes off if i think meteor is up.(forget about non nb medium armor stam builds without sword and board - not a single stamplar lasted very long )
So i still think we mainly need to encourage spreading and add a deeper layer to alliance war PvP. I havent sieged a castle since a year.
Just increase AoE damage with player number hit - so groups are still stronger but can easy die to a solo player if they make a big mistake - like stacking in the jabs/steeltornado/WoE etc. Give every class access to a anti zerg skill. E.g. that warden dot automatically infects all other players near the targeted player and can only be purged by himself not the purge bot.
And i will be away the next 2 weeks and probalby wont buy summerset anyways. I doubt sorc will be so much fun openworld with every pugzerg stacking sloads on you.(finally a set that gives u good damage light attack spamming)Edited by Murador178 on May 17, 2018 9:52PM1 -
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Pretty accurate regarding the duel build as I duel anyone who challenges me with the build I use during open world PvP. I'm probably one of the very few Stam DKs who still rocks 5 medium & no proc set.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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✭✭@Murador178
Sloads hasn't even gone live yet so that isn't right to use something that no one has had a large time dueling with.Edited by MaxwellC on May 17, 2018 11:31PM不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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✭✭I like cauterize, it’s cheap and just more heals. At least on a magdk. I like where Magdk is right now. Took a new one I rolled to Vivec the other day.
Tier 3 rewards from zero in a couple hours. Got the kill a grand overlord within the first hour. 1v1ed a silly StamDK with 138 more CP who attacked me from behind. 1vXed some even sillier potatoes trying to farm a resource. Overall pretty good day, and the flames hit HARD with a Dark Elf.0 -
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✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
They are also hemogenizing the other classes as tanks but not doing the same for dk in terms of dps.Power Wealth And Influence.3 -
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✭✭✭@Dracane
sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
Nope. Wardens out tank DK by a lot. Better heals, better class defense (wings vs shimmering is not even a question) better innate tankiness, minor protection on frost cloak beats both of DKs defensive passives, better damage too. Just less offstat regen.
Even a templar can be close to as tank as a DK.
There is literally nothing a DK does best. StamDK is bad at everything, and magDK is only average at what it is good at. (Other assets have better mitigation/defense, other classes have better or comparable CC, other classes have better or comparable burst/pressure with less sacrifice to defense.)
Even the "buffs" this patch were either PvE healing or partial reverts of other nerfs. Igneous and fragmented are still worse than before, basically just split up, (crystal blasted) and combustion is good, but still worse than old battle roar. (admittedly warming to the extra Stam) I suppose you have the useless wings and the heal stun.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
Nope. Wardens out tank DK by a lot. Better heals, better class defense (wings vs shimmering is not even a question) better innate tankiness, minor protection on frost cloak beats both of DKs defensive passives, better damage too. Just less offstat regen.
Even a templar can be close to as tank as a DK.
There is literally nothing a DK does best. StamDK is bad at everything, and magDK is only average at what it is good at. (Other assets have better mitigation/defense, other classes have better or comparable CC, other classes have better or comparable burst/pressure with less sacrifice to defense.)
Even the "buffs" this patch were either PvE healing or partial reverts of other nerfs. Igneous and fragmented are still worse than before, basically just split up, (crystal blasted) and combustion is good, but still worse than old battle roar. (admittedly warming to the extra Stam) I suppose you have the useless wings and the heal stun.
That’s not exactly true. I think there’s an important distinction to make between healing and tanking. The DK is definitely tankier than the warden. With the exact same gear and same weapon layout, I can survive more burst on my DK than on my Warden.
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sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
Nope. Wardens out tank DK by a lot. Better heals, better class defense (wings vs shimmering is not even a question) better innate tankiness, minor protection on frost cloak beats both of DKs defensive passives, better damage too. Just less offstat regen.
Even a templar can be close to as tank as a DK.
There is literally nothing a DK does best. StamDK is bad at everything, and magDK is only average at what it is good at. (Other assets have better mitigation/defense, other classes have better or comparable CC, other classes have better or comparable burst/pressure with less sacrifice to defense.)
Even the "buffs" this patch were either PvE healing or partial reverts of other nerfs. Igneous and fragmented are still worse than before, basically just split up, (crystal blasted) and combustion is good, but still worse than old battle roar. (admittedly warming to the extra Stam) I suppose you have the useless wings and the heal stun.
That’s not exactly true. I think there’s an important distinction to make between healing and tanking. The DK is definitely tankier than the warden. With the exact same gear and same weapon layout, I can survive more burst on my DK than on my Warden.
Even healing aside, a warden has better mitigation.
Block passive = 5% mitigation (10% extra on base 50%) whilst block is up, on blocked attacks only.
Spell resist passive is another 5.31%,but only on spell attacks.
In this case, 8% on everything is better. A DK has minor maim on talons, which is pretty great, albiet situational, (riposte, melee only, magDK only) however if you want to count it, a warden has spikes+chilled chance increase, which applies maim.
Then the mitigation from cheap shimmering whichh is actually worth running, and the frozen armour passive too.
Warden comes out a lot tankier, though its easier for a DK to sustain block.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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sorry mate you bore the brunt of my fury and you must be one heck of a fast reader lol but it's all good mate, sorry again my temper rarely rises but when it does it's like the DKs eruption.
Defending your class is perfectly valid, I didn't attack you for that I'm just as upset about the coming..... changes to Sorcerer as you are for the DK changes. I feel like DK changes are okay at least in some way, while the Sorc changes won't help me in any way.
Most of the DK changes have the magicka version in mind not the Stam DK.... Like I have said in other posts the Stam DK has be regulated to TANK ROLE the Brawler role has been stolen by the Stam Warden ... Stam Sorc is a better toon atm also, But I hate casting all those dam buffs .... the best role for a DK is a defile tank or some sort.... Every class right now does everything else better except a pure tank build...
So DK has something they are best at. That's better than some other classes.
Nope. Wardens out tank DK by a lot. Better heals, better class defense (wings vs shimmering is not even a question) better innate tankiness, minor protection on frost cloak beats both of DKs defensive passives, better damage too. Just less offstat regen.
Even a templar can be close to as tank as a DK.
There is literally nothing a DK does best. StamDK is bad at everything, and magDK is only average at what it is good at. (Other assets have better mitigation/defense, other classes have better or comparable CC, other classes have better or comparable burst/pressure with less sacrifice to defense.)
Even the "buffs" this patch were either PvE healing or partial reverts of other nerfs. Igneous and fragmented are still worse than before, basically just split up, (crystal blasted) and combustion is good, but still worse than old battle roar. (admittedly warming to the extra Stam) I suppose you have the useless wings and the heal stun.
That’s not exactly true. I think there’s an important distinction to make between healing and tanking. The DK is definitely tankier than the warden. With the exact same gear and same weapon layout, I can survive more burst on my DK than on my Warden.
Even healing aside, a warden has better mitigation.
Block passive = 5% mitigation (10% extra on base 50%) whilst block is up, on blocked attacks only.
Spell resist passive is another 5.31%,but only on spell attacks.
In this case, 8% on everything is better. A DK has minor maim on talons, which is pretty great, albiet situational, (riposte, melee only, magDK only) however if you want to count it, a warden has spikes+chilled chance increase, which applies maim.
Then the mitigation from cheap shimmering whichh is actually worth running, and the frozen armour passive too.
Warden comes out a lot tankier, though its easier for a DK to sustain block.
Your math on block mitigation is incorrect.
I also believe igneous shield is a better dmg shield for tanking than shim shield, but shim shield is better for kiting.
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Does console still play the 2016 patch cycle?
A mNB should always beat a mag sorc of equal skill level.
I don't know if magsorc is king of duels but it's easily under the top three. What's not king in duels are open world builds. No class can compete on an open world build with some heavy armor legion + fury, full damage bleedstack or with some defile stack builds. Why should sorc be an exception and be able to compete against this without building around duels?I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0