If you play the Dragon Knight class and hoped for better changes in Summerset... Well abandon ship.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Ragnarock41
Thanks mate I could've have said it any better, anyone who thinks reflective plate is good as the changes listed is completely lying if they say they play a DK. Who who swamp that out for dragon fire scales that sends back projectiles with increased damage?

I do believe for a magDK it is all good changes. They lose absolutely nothing and they only gain more with these changes, while now having the option to have a snare removal. The other morph of reflect that deals increased damage is still there.

I am very angry with these changes mainly because I no longer think playing stamDK has any point left over magDk now.

I expected at least one new stamina morph. I thought they would revamp igneous weapons maybe, or rework noxious breath or a buff to noxious breath. But we had none of those things.

The combustion passive has a 5 second cooldown according to @Alcast , But I really find it too weak, I would like it a lot more if they just gave us something like flat %10 or 20 stamina-magicka regen, based on if we slot magicka or stamina dots.

Because again, All the sustain we get does not scale with anything. This new combustion passive has the same issue. It does not scale. Its not as good as having flat % bonus to your regen. In the end, If you don't see me ever again, or if you see me playing a magDK, that should tell you enough about my honesty when I say stamDK seems trashed.

GeorgeBlack · April 2018

At least we havent got nerfed this time.
Stop making 5 page DK thread, every 7 days.
Make 1 dk thread every day with a page only.
Fill the forums.

As for this emma person she clearly is the typical mage type of player. No reasoning with them

StaticWave · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
Mate as I've stated on my thread like countless times that my changes aren't for everyone and I'm not 100% right about my ideas for everyone. You clearly state I don't know yet and that is fair as many others have pointed out but again I've stated that this is the same rodeo again from the back of thieves guild PTS and more. Changes were made that were terrible and when feedback thread after feedback was posted nothing was done case point helping hands.

You clearly have never played for a long time if you don't even remember major evasion used to be on cinder storm because again the class is about standing your ground not being a off branded templar healer.

Your comment about cauterize I seriously don't get your point lol I made a suggestion about making a ability that would heal you on the ground as you apply damage or have the damage from the heal, heal the target(s).

Reflective plate again my idea isn't for everyone as I said before so literally breaking down each one of my post and saying how it sucks just doesn't make sense when I clearly mention that my ideas aren't the best nor 100% for everyone. You said my idea is stupid but reflective plate being cleansed so it can be re-applied due to lack of immunity seems smart to you... very interesting on how we think.

Stone giant the same thing too like seriously come up with a better suggestion as I said mine isn't the best.

Fragmented shield change was simply PURE LAZINESS end of story... No but seriously what I wanted was something more useful something that makes me wanna choose fragmented shield over igneous shield. The answer isn't just increasing the major mending buff by 2 seconds on the other morph just because there wasn't another idea presented to make it UNIQUE.

You're right I haven't played for a long time, but I have more understanding of PvP than you and that is a fact.

A class maybe better at one playstyle, but it doesn't mean other playstyles won't work. The changes buff those other playstyles. Idk why you complained there.

Having a snare cleanse is always better than having no cleanse, even if it can be reapplied. Why did most stamina users use heavy armor even though shuffle did not give them 2.5s of snare immunity? Because of the cleanse. That short window of cleanse can mean getting to LoS safely, or catching up with your group. The problem isn't the skill, it's how easy snares can be applied. That is also why I hope snares will get reworked, because at this current state snares are too strong.

I know people who use stone giant in their builds. That change may benefit them.

if it is what I think it is, the shield you get in fragmented shield doesn't get removed. This means that you dks will get the old igneous back. How can you complain dude?

MaxwellC · April 2018

@Vaoh
As I stated to someone else just because these changes aren't in the PTS now doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my frustration until they finally hit the PTS.
I'm basing my opinions off of notes that so far all streamers you mentioned stated that they were upcoming changes. So of course this is my opinion on them.

I'm not sure where you've read the testers stating they're good or better but from the streamers you listed they were kinda iffy or at-least that's how they sounded when discussing them as they mentioned the kinda possibilities.

MaxwellC · April 2018

@StaticWave
Mate... I've got neaarly 68k alliance vs alliance kills... I'm also almost a warlord on my Stam, a praetorian on my PC, and I think I'm a tribune on my mag. Seriously?

Regarding the cleanse and comparison to shuffle. Mate it still provides a brief window to maneuver, follow up damage,etc. No cleanse after casting a nearly 3.8k mag costing ability is amazing.

Fragmented shield change is indeed lazy seriously this could've been made into something much better instead of slapping the same buff on the other morph why couldn't they just make this ability unique?

Septimus_Magna · April 2018

I have mixed feelings about the chance to Combustion.

Its good that DKs get better sustain from a PVE perspective (especially for mag DKs) but I wonder how much dps will be reduced.

The 500 stam/mag every 5s equals 200 regen so its quite significant.

Reflective Plate changes are nice for PVP. And the changes to Fragmented Shield are nice because you get major mending for almost the full Vigor duration.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I have mixed feelings about the chance to Combustion.

Its good that DKs get better sustain from a PVE perspective (especially for mag DKs) but I wonder how much dps will be reduced.

The 500 stam/mag every 5s equals 200 regen so its quite significant.

Reflective Plate changes are nice for PVP. And the changes to Fragmented Shield are nice because you get major mending for almost the full Vigor duration.

You forget that this 500 stam/mag return is only the case if you perfectly apply burning AND poisoned every 5 seconds.

And these things proc based on RNG. For PvE I see its value. but in PvP this will be a hella lot weaker than constution passive.
It should be changed to when you do poison/flame damage and then it will be reliable.

Minno · April 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about? They got a Igneous shield buff, snare removal (that no other magicka class has!), and a sustain buff via status effects.

They got great buffs

Snare removal WITHOUT snare immunity so its pointless. Everything snares you so it will be immediately reapplied.

Not pointless; actual full snare removal. Mist form has the same effect in that when you come out someone can tag you will a snare/immobilze and look how strong that ability can be.

Its absolutely pointless. Mist, for all its faults, are 4s of CC+snare immunity. This will remove snares, then get them straight back, i.e. with a DK dot on you. At least purge lets you remove dots and defiles too.

Mist form doesn't give true immunity compared to forward momentum. So while you can be immune to effects in mist form, outside you'll be subject to recasts.

The new snare removal doesn't also compare to purge; it has no cap and is a DMG mitigation tool whereas purge only gives a hot/snare/purge only 5 effects not just snares.

That's why I compared the new wings to mist form. Mechanically they work similarly; you always have to recast mist form if the enemy is timing their snares around you not in mist form and by comparison you'll always have to recast wings. But removal of all snares+ complete ignoring of most direct DMG ranged attacks means the new wings might be a decent buff.

But then again we haven't tested anything yet lol.

MaxwellC · April 2018

@Ragnarock41
I don't think its when you apply both burning and poison because that'll be difficult to pull off on a Mag DK, Stam DK I can see with volatile armor/inject,venom claw,nox breath,etc.
Then again we'll see during the PTS how that plays out.

pieratsos · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
Mate as I've stated on my thread like countless times that my changes aren't for everyone and I'm not 100% right about my ideas for everyone.

If they are not for everyone then stop writing bs in ur title like "if you are a mDK abandon ship".

Combustion was changed and mDKs were complaining cause it was a meaningless DPS buff. Then they were complaining that their sustain sucks. Now they get sustain and u are complaining why you lost a meaningless DPS buff to get sustain.

mDKs were complaining that major mending was the only good thing about igneous since the shield size is trash. Now you get basically twice as long major mending and you complain why you have to give up shield size which was trash to begin with.

mDKs were complaining that scales are trash and wanted a buff. Now because its not the exact buff u want you want it to become shimmering shield.

mDKs were complaining that ash cloud is useless and wanted to feel that hold ur ground playstyle. Now you get passive healing while standing in it and you complain why its not major evasion.

What the actual *** ?

Vaoh · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Vaoh
As I stated to someone else just because these changes aren't in the PTS now doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my frustration until they finally hit the PTS.
I'm basing my opinions off of notes that so far all streamers you mentioned stated that they were upcoming changes. So of course this is my opinion on them.

I'm not sure where you've read the testers stating they're good or better but from the streamers you listed they were kinda iffy or at-least that's how they sounded when discussing them as they mentioned the kinda possibilities.

Dude, I get it that DK is your main class and all of that. You'll be creating threads like this no matter what unless Mag DKs become the super OP class they once were. I'm telling you that the changes to DK next patch are going to be very good for it and Mag DK DPS is actually viable again! Thats amazing news. Plus DK Healers might even become viable.

I didn't test. You didn't test. The only people that have tested have given positive feedback. What I'm saying is very simple - wait until the official patch notes have released and test on PTS before making QQ threads. As of right now there just isn't any way to know this stuff besides what play testers have said and so far it's very positive for DK.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Ragnarock41
I don't think its when you apply both burning and poison because that'll be difficult to pull off on a Mag DK, Stam DK I can see with volatile armor/inject,venom claw,nox breath,etc.
Then again we'll see during the PTS how that plays out.

I see... you can't get both magicka and stamina return in that case, since it has a 5 sec cooldown.

but that does mean that if you accidentally proc burning now, you will be denied the stamina return you could possibly get from poisoned proc.

oh boy.. Its getting even worse. I would honestly prefer flat %10 stam/mag regen. I really would.

StaticWave · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
Mate... I've got neaarly 68k alliance vs alliance kills... I'm also almost a warlord on my Stam, a praetorian on my PC, and I think I'm a tribune on my mag. Seriously?

Regarding the cleanse and comparison to shuffle. Mate it still provides a brief window to maneuver, follow up damage,etc. No cleanse after casting a nearly 3.8k mag costing ability is amazing.

Fragmented shield change is indeed lazy seriously this could've been made into something much better instead of slapping the same buff on the other morph why couldn't they just make this ability unique?

And? Can you 1vX? Can you smallscale? I've seen many players with grand overlords but get farmed openworld. Your point is invalid.

Fragmented shield gives stamdks the old igneous. WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING lol

MaxwellC · April 2018

@Vaoh
Oh trust me I don't want my Mag DK to be a god again as it was in 1.5 (even though that stemmed more so from dynamic ulti). I'm waiting for this to hit the PTS but of course I couldn't keep myself from making a thread after I saw the changes because I was pretty irritated although to some it may seem irrational (I'll give them 20% on that) but the rest is IMO rational due to things being removed, changed, etc when PTS feedback was pointing the other direction. Now somethings were changed but the vast others haven't been changed so far.

I'll be waiting for the PTS as you are, so see you then.

MaxwellC · April 2018

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

StaticWave · April 2018

This entire thread is the reason why devs should not read the forums. It's absurd how people still find out ways to complain when the buffs were given to them

Vaoh · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Vaoh
Oh trust me I don't want my Mag DK to be a god again as it was in 1.5 (even though that stemmed more so from dynamic ulti). I'm waiting for this to hit the PTS but of course I couldn't keep myself from making a thread after I saw the changes because I was pretty irritated although to some it may seem irrational (I'll give them 20% on that) but the rest is IMO rational due to things being removed, changed, etc when PTS feedback was pointing the other direction. Now somethings were changed but the vast others haven't been changed so far.

I'll be waiting for the PTS as you are, so see you then.

I really do think you'll see positive change and be pleasantly surprised.

On a side note, I'm extremely happy to hear than I'll finally see DKs fulfill Healer and Mag DPS roles in PvE!

StaticWave · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.

Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you

MaxwellC · April 2018

@pieratsos combustion also applies to skills not tied to ardent flame abilities.

Major mending's duration should've been reverted back on igneous shield and I stated fragmented should've been something unique not a rehash of igneous shield but with a longer duration of major mending.

As I stated before changes that I have in mind aren't perfect nor for everyone but changing reflective plate to something that removes the snare and not give it a(n) immunity is a bad idea, I'd rather have it changed into something that helps sustain since we have the other morph that doles out damage.

Cinder storm I'll give you that one but what I was getting at is that they could've just brought the original ability back instead of making it heal.
All in all you can disagree with my ideas and if you don't like them and favor the current then you do you mate.

Vaoh · April 2018

StaticWave wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.

Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you

Fragmented shields will be an awesome skill for Stam DKs and likely very strong for DK Healers, which will finally be a thing in Summerset.

The only worry I have is how the stacking of shields will be handled between a DK Tank and a DK Healer.

MaxwellC · April 2018

@StaticWave
My Stam DK is the one who's almost a warlord... So I play my Stam DK more. I don't really see a good PvP stam DK relying on major mending after the changes to earthen hearts' helping hands anymore. I use to run it but stopped after knowing I'd kill nearly 50% of my Mag resources just to get a dismal return in stamina and a 3 second (Use to be 5 when that change was done to helping hands I believe) major mending.

StaticWave · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
My Stam DK is the one who's almost a warlord... So I play my Stam DK more. I don't really see a good PvP stam DK relying on major mending after the changes to earthen hearts' helping hands anymore. I use to run it but stopped after knowing I'd kill nearly 50% of my Mag resources just to get a dismal return in stamina and a 3 second (Use to be 5 when that change was done to helping hands I believe) major mending.

Well dk mains complained about major mending nerf and now zos giving it back to them. You guys should be grateful because as a stamsorc main I have YET to see a single buff to my class. Stamsorc is literally at the lowest of the foodchain in pvp, yet we got no buff in this patch or last patch, or this upcoming patch. Even stamplars got no buff. How many buff stamsorc threads have you seen?

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.

Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you

Fragmented shields will be an awesome skill for Stam DKs and likely very strong for DK Healers, which will finally be a thing in Summerset.

The only worry I have is how the stacking of shields will be handled between a DK Tank and a DK Healer.

Its basically the old igneous shields, -1 second duration. The only difference is that we now will have easier time with magicka sustain, which is helpful obviously. But you people should stop acting like stamDKs got major mending out of nowhere. They always had it.

StamDk's number 1 issue is having way too low kill potential, which remains as an issue in my opinion. The way I look at it, magDks have %95 of the cake while stamDks only have 2 dots and major mending. You could argue for leap but truth is every stam toon has dawnbreaker, so Its much bigger for magDks than it is for stamDKs.

Kilandros · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

GIlliam just said on stream that DKs are freaking amazing.

I'll take his word over your conjectures.

^^^^ yup.

I swear, so many ppl just read a few things and then come cry on here about their class getting nerfed. I've looked up the Reddit post, watched some of Gilliam's stream, Woeler's vid, etc. The unanimous opinion on DK is that they were absolutely buffed and pretty much back in the scene.

Plus it looks like a DK healer might even be viable in Summerset. Not to mention NBs too. Why are people already complaining?

To be fair, Gilliam said on his stream that his parses were on a Dev server with 100% uptime on every buff/debuff and were wholly unrealistic. I don't think a parse admittedly described as "wholly unrealistic" is a good barometer for what a "realistic" parse might look like.

StaticWave · April 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.

Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you

Fragmented shields will be an awesome skill for Stam DKs and likely very strong for DK Healers, which will finally be a thing in Summerset.

The only worry I have is how the stacking of shields will be handled between a DK Tank and a DK Healer.

Its basically the old igneous shields, -1 second duration. The only difference is that we now will have easier time with magicka sustain, which is helpful. but does not change much really. stamDks number 1 issue is having way too low kill potential, which remains as an issue in my opinion.

They're a lot closer to stamdks pre-nerf, which were too strong. This buff will hopefully make stamdks stronger than their curent state, but not unkillable strong pre-nerf

Murador178 · April 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
Mate... I've got neaarly 68k alliance vs alliance kills... I'm also almost a warlord on my Stam, a praetorian on my PC, and I think I'm a tribune on my mag. Seriously?

Regarding the cleanse and comparison to shuffle. Mate it still provides a brief window to maneuver, follow up damage,etc. No cleanse after casting a nearly 3.8k mag costing ability is amazing.

Fragmented shield change is indeed lazy seriously this could've been made into something much better instead of slapping the same buff on the other morph why couldn't they just make this ability unique?

Grand overload means as much as played alot. It implies that u probalby zerged alot aswell(altleast like 80% on PC EU GO's run in big groups). Or maybe u farmed it with bleakers. This title says about nothing these days. I ran last time in 2 GO sorcs that both died almost instant to me. Im not even sure if u would get a positive skill correlation linking GO's to midrank players.

StaticWave · April 2018

Everytime a new patch comes I see Dk threads. Meanwhile I dont see a single stamsorc buff thread. Where is the love?

StaticWave · April 2018

Murador178 wrote: »

hmm I think every

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
Mate... I've got neaarly 68k alliance vs alliance kills... I'm also almost a warlord on my Stam, a praetorian on my PC, and I think I'm a tribune on my mag. Seriously?

Regarding the cleanse and comparison to shuffle. Mate it still provides a brief window to maneuver, follow up damage,etc. No cleanse after casting a nearly 3.8k mag costing ability is amazing.

Fragmented shield change is indeed lazy seriously this could've been made into something much better instead of slapping the same buff on the other morph why couldn't they just make this ability unique?

Grand overload means as much as played alot. It implies that u probalby zerged alot aswell(altleast like 80% on PC EU GO's run in big groups). Or maybe u farmed it with bleakers. This title says about nothing these days. I ran last time in 2 GO sorcs that both died almost instant to me. Im not even sure if u would get a positive skill correlation linking GO's to midrank players.

This lmao. This is why I don't take PvP rank as a reliable measure for skill.

Murador178 · April 2018

StaticWave wrote: »

Everytime a new patch comes I see Dk threads. Meanwhile I dont see a single stamsorc buff thread. Where is the love?

Or a buff stamplar. I didnt see even a single change to stamplars in the patch notes. While stam dk got quite a few buffs - if its enought to make stam dk a great class again will be seen when we can test it.

Vaoh · April 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@StaticWave
I can 1vX I'll message you my profile so you can see me, I'm not too bad but not the greatest.
Also again I'm complaining about fragmented shield because I don't want half measured they should return igneous shields major mending and make fragmented shield something worth choosing major mending over. Simply increasing the duration on another morph IMO was laziness.

If you want you can post a vid, but that is not what this thread is about.

Fragmented shields is a buff to stamdks. Not everyone plays a magdk like you

Fragmented shields will be an awesome skill for Stam DKs and likely very strong for DK Healers, which will finally be a thing in Summerset.

The only worry I have is how the stacking of shields will be handled between a DK Tank and a DK Healer.

Its basically the old igneous shields, -1 second duration. The only difference is that we now will have easier time with magicka sustain, which is helpful obviously. But you people should stop acting like stamDKs got major mending out of nowhere. They always had it.

StamDk's number 1 issue is having way too low kill potential, which remains as an issue in my opinion. The way I look at it, magDks have %95 of the cake while stamDks only have 2 dots and major mending. You could argue for leap but truth is every stam toon has dawnbreaker, so Its much bigger for magDks than it is for stamDKs.

Gotta wait until Summerset PTS to really know how Stam DK does. At the very least, Two-Handed and Bow will both count as two set pieces instead of one. That alone will help in PvP.