Why are we nerfing templars to make other classes better at healing
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Am I tho only one that realizes how backwards that is?
Personally Im of the mind set that I only want templar healers, Ive tried having wardens in trials and they just cant cut it. I dont see this changing but the answer isnt to nerf the class that is operating as a healer 100% fine. Honestly I would love to hear a reasoning behind the breath of life nerf that doesnt include something about the other classes not being able to compete with it.
(some templar in the comments plz inform me how many times templars have been nerfed since morrowind)
Undo the templar debuffs to healing, buff their dps
I dont main a templar or really play anything that isnt a sorc and I still feel god awful for players who main templars, healers or dps
Personally Im of the mind set that I only want templar healers, Ive tried having wardens in trials and they just cant cut it. I dont see this changing but the answer isnt to nerf the class that is operating as a healer 100% fine. Honestly I would love to hear a reasoning behind the breath of life nerf that doesnt include something about the other classes not being able to compete with it.
(some templar in the comments plz inform me how many times templars have been nerfed since morrowind)
Undo the templar debuffs to healing, buff their dps
I dont main a templar or really play anything that isnt a sorc and I still feel god awful for players who main templars, healers or dps
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✭They are just continuing their saga. Nothing new. Nerfing the nerfed.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel11 -
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✭Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.Edited by Gnortranermara on May 16, 2018 4:40AM24 -
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✭✭theres this lovely disease called champion points, it exists so power creep comes back like a tidal wave every time they increase points and because of these waves they have to make the classes actually decent at their job do less else the others will complain they suck.
without CP classes were alot easier to balance. this is why soft caps needed to be in game so balance and stat stacking can be in check.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.Argonian forever2 -
aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Exactly this. No class should dominate in any role. This is not a game with 15 seperate distinct classes, we have 5, with 3 role trees. Templar dominate healing just as DK dominate tanking. All classes need to be reasonably balanced in all roles. Nerfs are upsetting and sometimes too heavy handed. Right now all I (commonly) see in vet finder are DK/warden tanks, and templar/warden healers
This is not balanced. It's just easier to bring down 1 overperforming class than bring up 3
I just wish they would get on and split out the skill trees into distict DPS, tank and healer trees for each class. I think until then balance in each role will be tough.
OR they remove the current class concept and let folks pick and choose different skill trees. Your class is defined by the three you choose.
OR spell crafting, in a way everyone has complete flexibilityEdited by aeowulf on May 16, 2018 11:00AM2 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭Because Wrobel loves Nightblades and Sorcerers and wants all Templars to be wet paper bags for him.3 -
huschdeguddzje✭✭✭✭It appears that templars, be it healer, be it dps or even tank are envisioned to be nothing more than the buff ***.3
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✭✭✭I just want a clean sheet makeover with templars. Redo everything at this point
Yeah and if you're gonna just give everyone their own heals - remove the heal tree entirely and we, templar healers, can just go pack sand; like we're meant to do in everything but trials anyway.
I've basically packed up my healer - she does crafting and that's it now, unless the stars align in such a way that someone needs a fill in at a time of day I am on, and am not so filled with disdain at how healers are treated the rest of the time that I can even bother logging to her, rather than setting myself to offline immediately and just carrying on with whatever I was doing.
Please pass the salt, I seem to have used all mine.
(In short: I literally HATE what this game has done to healers. So much that I log on to feed my horses on my alts and do battlegrounds - if that)12 -
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
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profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
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✭✭✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.4 -
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✭✭✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week2 -
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fineEdited by Silver_Strider on May 16, 2018 4:14PMArgonian forever4 -
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✭✭✭I want there to be a reason for healers outside buffybots.
How about some middle ground?
How about removing self heals except in Cyro? I mean, they remove pets, deer, banker/merchants - so wtf?! Or make EVERY skill from alliance inoperable outside pvp instances and then give healer (templars and wardens, who already have 1/3 skills heals) a good purge, for things like VHOF/last boss VCOS HM (you don't need a purge if the tank is not stupid/new but you do otherwise)...?
Again the main issue is pvp pve balance.
They managed to do it for siege shield, among other things - so why not this?
Self heals are perfectly valid in pvp.
Stupid in pve.
For one, it stops invalidating healer roles in pve, and people will still appreciate healers in pvp, and for 2, I won't have people ripping my ultimate gain for warhorn because they're a vigor spammer; when they're overhealed for spc anyway.
Edited to add: as I understand; the vas +2 exploit is directly to do with assault line skills- so this would sort that too.Edited by Mureel on May 16, 2018 4:19PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
That's...not the official ESO website. At all.
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profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭In short I fully agree with the original versions of BOL being ridiculously OP. I could place and understand all nerfs up till this very last one on BOL. That one is just really a bridge too far.
Not only is this change a fail at promoting other classes as healer but what's worse is that within the templar class it now becomes actually more interesting to take the single target heal morph that returns part of the cost (honor the dead) since the secondary heal of BOL has now been rendered trivial anyway.
This changed removes the last usefulness of THE cornerstone spell of the BIS healer setup, 'fixing' that 1 thing in this game which hasn't been broken for ages. A very unwise move...4 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
That's...not the official ESO website. At all.
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✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
I think it's because the healing lines are plagued by one or two overperforming abilities that zos refused to look into the entire love as a while.
Look at Templar, BoL/repentance was so effective for so long, they had to nerf it more times than I can count on my hands. Then they started to adjust some things to make room for buffs.
Same thing for the passives, mending/major buff passives were so effective, nobody bothered to roll to use the other passives. So to make room for a second healer, they scrapped our major and gave it to the warden.
Not that there isn't anything wrong with this, but omg why can't we just have wonderfully designed abilities/passives that work well enough so players search for options instead of slotting meta till it gets nerfed lol .Edited by Minno on May 16, 2018 4:40PMMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
I think it's because the healing lines are plagued by one or two overperforming abilities that zos refused to look into the entire love as a while.
Look at Templar, BoL/repentance was so effective for so long, they had to nerf it more times than I can count on my hands. Then they started to adjust some things to make room for buffs.
Same thing for the passives, mending/major buff passives were so effective, nobody bothered to roll to use the other passives. So to make room for a second healer, they scrapped our major and gave it to the warden.
Not that there isn't anything wrong with this, but omg why can't we just have wonderfully designed abilities/passives that work well enough so players search for options instead of slotting meta till it gets nerfed lol .
This is a overarching problem with the entire game though. Encounters are made that sometimes outright REQUIRE a burst heal but there isn't any class that has a good one besides Templar. Warden has a semi decent one but the radius is much too small to be relied upon, NB's burst heal kills them, Sorc's requires far too much micro management and DK healers may as well be Unicorns. If encounters were balanced in a way that any class, regardless of the how, was able to heal effectively, this might have been avoided but no, ZOS being who they are cannot be bothered to adjust the game to best suit the needs of their vision and just force players to adapt to their halfassed "balance" attempts time and time again.
Players have given feedback after feedback after feedback on ways to help out the game, some terrible, some with actual merit, but ZOS continuously ignores that feedback, spacing out balance updates so haphazardly that certain mentalities just cement into the player base that by the time ZOS actually does update something, the damage has already been done. It just hurts the game when the player base is constantly spoon feed crap and expected to enjoy it.Argonian forever5 -
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✭✭✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
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Dude, regarding your warden 6 Templar 5 shite, cool! I'm fine with that. The point is not about who is best or whatever (well my point), but that healers as a whole are being made redundant.Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
You read what I wrote apparently, so clearly you KNOW damned well that my issue has f all to do with templars vs a whole new class aka wardens.
Many thanks.
Edited by Mureel on May 17, 2018 7:23AM2 -
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
I think it's because the healing lines are plagued by one or two overperforming abilities that zos refused to look into the entire love as a while.
Look at Templar, BoL/repentance was so effective for so long, they had to nerf it more times than I can count on my hands. Then they started to adjust some things to make room for buffs.
Same thing for the passives, mending/major buff passives were so effective, nobody bothered to roll to use the other passives. So to make room for a second healer, they scrapped our major and gave it to the warden.
Not that there isn't anything wrong with this, but omg why can't we just have wonderfully designed abilities/passives that work well enough so players search for options instead of slotting meta till it gets nerfed lol .
see when you say they had to nerf the templar heals i just dont agree, this isnt a there over preforming case where a nerf is except-able. The templar class was fine, its the other classes that are under preforming and need a buff. This just doesnt seem right imo, its lowering the ceiling to make the floor higher.
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
A few issues with this. The warden might have more healing skills but a LARGE majority of those are under preforming before there ever viable. Far as Im concerned warden healers are a buff b**** like they are trying to make templars into
second while Ill agree that magden does have similar dps to a magplar, for the dps like stamden has alot higher dps where both stam and magplars are suffering the dps loss
for warden cc's : permafrost..... Templars win worst cc's
For vbrf you dont need a healer, for vmol what was the other healer? cuz i guarantee It was a templar and very self sustaining. ive run vet trials with warden healers, once the templar healer goes down the group just wipes on any hard content and this is across the board with different warden healers4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
THEN FOR LOVE OF F DON'T GIVE US A WHOLE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALS! Why should Templars NOT excel at healing, given that we have 1/3 our skills dedicated to it!?
As long as any class is GIMPED for DPS by having 1/3 their skills literally heals - I don't want to hear about how no class should excel at healing!
Curse words!
Considering that Warden has 6 skills that Heal vs the Templars 5, wouldn't it make more sense that a Warden be a better healer than a Templar? I mean, the entirety of Warden's Healing Skill Line is completely dedicated to healing as well but its still only 2nd place to Templar, while also having NO CC option and being the weakest DPS in the game. Warden's entire existence destroys any argument a Templar can possibly have when it comes to justifying themselves as the best healers.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Outdated article is outdated. The site doesn't even have Warden Listed as a class or anything really post Homestead.profundidob16_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have been getting the $#i^ end of the Aedric spear for years. Nerf after nerf after nerf. Even our few "buffs" have come with nerfy strings attached. The class is second worst in DPS, has no mobility, the worst CC options, broken skills, garbage passives, and the ONE thing we used to have - healing - has being siphoned away bit by bit (Major Mending nerf, BoL nerf, comically stupid Healing Ritual cost). No other class is so utterly crapped on, and for what? What possible justification is there? Do they hate us for our easy AOE class spammable that heals us? When it hits, maybe! Everything is broken and ZOS continually kicks the can down the road for bug fixes and class balance. They need to get priorities straight and fix this broken class.
Warden would like a word about the worst CC option thing.
While I don't disagree that Templar needs some love, I don't agree personally that any class should excel in any one field, which in this case is Healing with Templars. Not saying that I agree with the nerf to BoL, there's always better alternatives than nerfs, just that I would like for ZOS to balance the classes fairly that they can all fulfill whichever role they desire with equal parts effectiveness and uniqueness.
Quoted litteraly from the Elder scrolls online website itself (class info section):
"Templar is a very interesting class because of his ability to heal. With a uniqueness in the variety of healing abilities and auras. There is no other class in Elder Scrolls Online who can restore allies’ health as fast as a Templar does it. The Templars healing spells also allow players to create different builds, with elements of restoration magic. This gives players the option of creating a mix of a healer and damage dealer. You can also play as a true healer with light armour and focus on supporting your friends in battle. "
https://elderscrollsonline.info/templar
it litteraly could not be clearer
Except now everyone is all GFY, 3 dps.
For the easy stuff maybe but I would love to see the train wreck if there werent any templar healers for dlc dungeons, trials and cyro for even a week
Cleared vBRF on a NB Healer.
Cleared vMoL on a Warden Healer.
I think the game would be fine
I think it's because the healing lines are plagued by one or two overperforming abilities that zos refused to look into the entire love as a while.
Look at Templar, BoL/repentance was so effective for so long, they had to nerf it more times than I can count on my hands. Then they started to adjust some things to make room for buffs.
Same thing for the passives, mending/major buff passives were so effective, nobody bothered to roll to use the other passives. So to make room for a second healer, they scrapped our major and gave it to the warden.
Not that there isn't anything wrong with this, but omg why can't we just have wonderfully designed abilities/passives that work well enough so players search for options instead of slotting meta till it gets nerfed lol .
see when you say they had to nerf the templar heals i just dont agree, this isnt a there over preforming case where a nerf is except-able. The templar class was fine, its the other classes that are under preforming and need a buff. This just doesnt seem right imo, its lowering the ceiling to make the floor higher.
It made no sense to have a healing ability with strong single target application grant an AOE heal that ignores LoS. Still kinda weird it has a heal when it should grant a buff similar to how htd grants resorces back.
And crit heals should never have worked with crit DMG modifiers at all. But the Templar had received to many nerfs without compensation to justify being anything but healers in group content. Without defense, heals are crutched on too much.
But once Summerset hit, we at least have a strong single target heal, a strong AOE heal, and a staying AOE hot with purge/heals. Though I think hasty prayer is too expensive such that no one will use it outside niche pve/PvP settings.
There were nerfs to Templars that should never have been made. And those nerfs/changes relate to defense/utility.
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Razorback174✭✭✭✭✭Did someone mention nerfing Templars??
@joy_division I summon thee!
On serious note, this homogenization of all classes is worrisome. Not that we're putting classes on equal footing.
It's just that we aren't buffing those that are lacking, we're gutting the ones that excel to get to that equal footing. That's what truly bothers me.
(Except for mag warden. Summerset is the final nail in the coffin for that class. Thanks ZOS!)7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't be bothered (too much anyway) about all the healing nerfs if ZOS made it so we could at least DPS, tank, or open world PvP.
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.14