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StamSorc after Sommerset
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »We could call anything OP in noCP because everyone is more squishy compare to CPenabled ...
Bleed is affected by CP/noCP in roughly the same way than any other damage type.
At least from looking at the champion points numbers, here is what's available :
+25% / -25% available for both DoTs and Direct damage
+15% / - 15% available for all damage types (not just physical)
additional critical resistance affects all damage equally
additional critical damage affects all damage equally
additional resistances is not used much because bad scaling, but it makes bleed stronger in CP
Please tell me if i missed something.
Bleeds are cheap/no-cost (not considering trade-offs), consistent and auto-applied to a large degree while doing what you would do anyways. That outperforms most defensive maneuvers in no-cp in terms of ressource efficiency.
Same logic reversed for troll king, no-cost auto-application, far too ressource friendly in an environment like no-cp, which is tough on ressources in general.
Therefore, combining those two is considered incredibly cheesy (at least by me
). In particular if combined with posions on top it's the most abusive compilation of crutches you can run at the moment.
Nah, it's not. If you want to talk about abusive compilation of crutches you have to talk about proc sets (again) that were added last DLC. Specifically Zaan and Caluurion.EU | PC | AD3 -
Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »We could call anything OP in noCP because everyone is more squishy compare to CPenabled ...
Bleed is affected by CP/noCP in roughly the same way than any other damage type.
At least from looking at the champion points numbers, here is what's available :
+25% / -25% available for both DoTs and Direct damage
+15% / - 15% available for all damage types (not just physical)
additional critical resistance affects all damage equally
additional critical damage affects all damage equally
additional resistances is not used much because bad scaling, but it makes bleed stronger in CP
Please tell me if i missed something.
Bleeds are cheap/no-cost (not considering trade-offs), consistent and auto-applied to a large degree while doing what you would do anyways. That outperforms most defensive maneuvers in no-cp in terms of ressource efficiency.
Same logic reversed for troll king, no-cost auto-application, far too ressource friendly in an environment like no-cp, which is tough on ressources in general.
Therefore, combining those two is considered incredibly cheesy (at least by me ). In particular if combined with posions on top it's the most abusive compilation of crutches you can run at the moment.
Nah, it's not. If you want to talk about abusive compilation of crutches you have to talk about proc sets (again) that were added last DLC. Specifically Zaan and Caluurion.
Yes, it is. For the reasons I was pointing out. I find procsets equally annoying, but they don't benefit as much from ignoring resistances in an environment based on low(er) ressources. The effort/cost to counter that with def mechanics is even higher than in cp - therefore the impact larger.
You seem to enjoy your crutches enough to get defensive about it and point fingers to other crutches, which I think is actually further proving my point.Edited by Mojomonkeyman on April 11, 2018 1:24PMKoma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy1 -
Aznox✭✭✭✭✭see @thedude33 you asked for a good stamsorc build and @Mojomonkeyman came all the way to this thread to attest that mine is both overly powerful and stupidly easy to play.
if that does not convince you i don't know what will Aznox
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Khajiit Orc Bosmer Stamina Sorcerer and Werewolf Stage 3 Vampire
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »We could call anything OP in noCP because everyone is more squishy compare to CPenabled ...
Bleed is affected by CP/noCP in roughly the same way than any other damage type.
At least from looking at the champion points numbers, here is what's available :
+25% / -25% available for both DoTs and Direct damage
+15% / - 15% available for all damage types (not just physical)
additional critical resistance affects all damage equally
additional critical damage affects all damage equally
additional resistances is not used much because bad scaling, but it makes bleed stronger in CP
Please tell me if i missed something.
Bleeds are cheap/no-cost (not considering trade-offs), consistent and auto-applied to a large degree while doing what you would do anyways. That outperforms most defensive maneuvers in no-cp in terms of ressource efficiency.
Same logic reversed for troll king, no-cost auto-application, far too ressource friendly in an environment like no-cp, which is tough on ressources in general.
Therefore, combining those two is considered incredibly cheesy (at least by me ). In particular if combined with posions on top it's the most abusive compilation of crutches you can run at the moment.
Nah, it's not. If you want to talk about abusive compilation of crutches you have to talk about proc sets (again) that were added last DLC. Specifically Zaan and Caluurion.
Yes, it is. For the reasons I was pointing out. I find procsets equally annoying, but they don't benefit as much from ignoring resistances in an environment based on low(er) ressources. The effort/cost to counter that with def mechanics is even higher than in cp - therefore the impact larger.
You seem to enjoy your crutches enough to get defensive about it and point fingers to other crutches, which I think is actually further proving my point.
They don't need to benefit from ignoring resistances. One proc of Zaan and Caluurion is doing more damage in 4 seconds than bleeds will put out in 20". The raw numbers are so much higher. Pointing out the obvious is not being defensive, any more than you making a statement about them is being aggressive.
Bleeds are obviously very strong and even stronger in no CP. There's no denying that. Without those bleeds though, StamSorcs would be so inferior to StamBlades and StamWardens they probably wouldn't be viable. If a StamSorc's supposed to sit there and Dizzy Swing -> Dawnbreaker in order to not be called "cheese", then why wouldn't I do it a on StamDen? With Sub Assault burst dmg, Spores burst heals, with Major Mending/Heroism/Fracture/Protection and complete projectile immunity with Shimmering. I guess that's not cheesing though, is it?
Edited by Maulkin on May 8, 2018 11:21AMEU | PC | AD3 -
TharokSoul ShrivenI'll share what I personally find to be a pretty great build currently and (unless some OP sets are added with Summerset) also in the foreseeable future.
1) 6-1 Medium
2) DW and S&B
3) 5x Bone Pirate (necklace, shoes, legs, hands and belt)
4) Two Masters Axes on DW bar
5) 5x Armor of Truth (sword, shield, 2xForemans Rings, chest)
6) 2xTroll King
I think this is a top build for medium armor CP enabled stam sorc.
I play a heavy armor variant myself (DW/S&B/TrollKing/Automaton/Shackle) to get an insane werewolf form.
Have you tried swapping quick cloak and dark deal for bound armaments ?
Would get you :
- 1320 physical resist
- 8% max stam
- 11% heavy attack damage
- 20% stam recovery
- 20% health recovery
That's really interesting, I'm about to try a DW/S&B build this week. If you're running Heavy, how are you dealing with snares though?0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'll share what I personally find to be a pretty great build currently and (unless some OP sets are added with Summerset) also in the foreseeable future.
1) 6-1 Medium
2) DW and S&B
3) 5x Bone Pirate (necklace, shoes, legs, hands and belt)
4) Two Masters Axes on DW bar
5) 5x Armor of Truth (sword, shield, 2xForemans Rings, chest)
6) 2xTroll King
I think this is a top build for medium armor CP enabled stam sorc.
I play a heavy armor variant myself (DW/S&B/TrollKing/Automaton/Shackle) to get an insane werewolf form.
Have you tried swapping quick cloak and dark deal for bound armaments ?
Would get you :
- 1320 physical resist
- 8% max stam
- 11% heavy attack damage
- 20% stam recovery
- 20% health recovery
That's really interesting, I'm about to try a DW/S&B build this week. If you're running Heavy, how are you dealing with snares though?
You don't. You sit and fight or try to streak into LOS protection if you can. It's a better build for brawling but worse for kiting and movementEU | PC | AD0 -
Aznox✭✭✭✭✭That's really interesting, I'm about to try a DW/S&B build this week. If you're running Heavy, how are you dealing with snares though?
Mainly :
100% uptime on Minor (Hurricane) and Major (speed + lingering pots) Expedition.
Also helps :
Heroic slash and bash(CP) to slow the opponent
Ball of lightning can be slotted in Cyrodiil or BG
Aznox
PC EU
Khajiit Orc Bosmer Stamina Sorcerer and Werewolf Stage 3 Vampire
I live in Battlegrounds
Theorycrafting enthusiast
Official Cheese Lord
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »the_broo11 wrote: »Currently leveling up a stamsorc using bow and DW. With the changes coming in sommerset that 2H weapons get an extra slot, is there any reason to stick with DW and instead go to a 2H weapon? Forward Momentum is just too good.
Also do not forget to level Mages Guild (if no CP) You might need empower for some cheap crossbow-pull - Overload - Execute kills.
Lol what
Overload from a stamsorc in no cp, coming soon to a death recap near you.
More like: Stam Sorcs getting permanently stuck in overload and dying hilariously, just like their Magicka cousins.
Coming soon, to a buggy, lag-infested ZOS server near you.
I kill people with overload on my stam sorc more often than you'd think. It's kind of hilarious.
Less Hilarious is when you hit R to leave and nothing happens.
You wait 2-3 seconds, hit R again, and then you leave and enter overload again.
Hit R again, and you get bugged. Your weapons show up, but you’re still stuck in overload... and BTW some stam DK is humping your leg and you can’t enter/exit again correctly before you die.
It happens every day to me, it’s starting to get less funny though.2 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to level sword/shield tonight to give me another option.
Some great comments here. Lots to think about. Any shortcomings after trying some of the suggestions here will be on me and my lack of skill. It's crazy to check the logs after a fight and see I didn't land one Flurry. Even more amazing to watch a Pelican youtube stamsorc video. 2H/DW. He casually uses los and eventually wears down 1v4. Seems like slow motion. My fights are a blur. Like a college QB playing his first game. Everything seems so fast.
I really want this to work. I enjoy the idea behind stamsoc.0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »the_broo11 wrote: »Currently leveling up a stamsorc using bow and DW. With the changes coming in sommerset that 2H weapons get an extra slot, is there any reason to stick with DW and instead go to a 2H weapon? Forward Momentum is just too good.
Also do not forget to level Mages Guild (if no CP) You might need empower for some cheap crossbow-pull - Overload - Execute kills.
Lol what
Overload from a stamsorc in no cp, coming soon to a death recap near you.
More like: Stam Sorcs getting permanently stuck in overload and dying hilariously, just like their Magicka cousins.
Coming soon, to a buggy, lag-infested ZOS server near you.
I kill people with overload on my stam sorc more often than you'd think. It's kind of hilarious.
Less Hilarious is when you hit R to leave and nothing happens.
You wait 2-3 seconds, hit R again, and then you leave and enter overload again.
Hit R again, and you get bugged. Your weapons show up, but you’re still stuck in overload... and BTW some stam DK is humping your leg and you can’t enter/exit again correctly before you die.
It happens every day to me, it’s starting to get less funny though.
lol no kidding. Happens all the time.0 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »the_broo11 wrote: »Currently leveling up a stamsorc using bow and DW. With the changes coming in sommerset that 2H weapons get an extra slot, is there any reason to stick with DW and instead go to a 2H weapon? Forward Momentum is just too good.
Also do not forget to level Mages Guild (if no CP) You might need empower for some cheap crossbow-pull - Overload - Execute kills.
Lol what
Overload from a stamsorc in no cp, coming soon to a death recap near you.
More like: Stam Sorcs getting permanently stuck in overload and dying hilariously, just like their Magicka cousins.
Coming soon, to a buggy, lag-infested ZOS server near you.
I kill people with overload on my stam sorc more often than you'd think. It's kind of hilarious.
Less Hilarious is when you hit R to leave and nothing happens.
You wait 2-3 seconds, hit R again, and then you leave and enter overload again.
Hit R again, and you get bugged. Your weapons show up, but you’re still stuck in overload... and BTW some stam DK is humping your leg and you can’t enter/exit again correctly before you die.
It happens every day to me, it’s starting to get less funny though.
I don't have this issue... but I play with a controller
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Thraben✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »
I don't have this issue... but I play with a controller
Must be a Vivec issue. Never had it in 4 or so years.
I even place some more important skills on overload sometimes in raid versus raid situations because it´s a more reliable backbar than the other weapon, particularly if you place a weapon ability on the bar to leave overload.Edited by Thraben on April 16, 2018 4:28PMHauptmann der Dolche des Königs
DDK ist die letzte Verteidigungslinie des Dolchsturz- Bündnisses auf der 30-Tage-No-CP- Kampagne(EU) mit dem Anspruch, in kleinen, anfängerfreundlichen Raid-Gruppen möglichst epische Schlachten auszufechten.
DDK is the Daggerfall Covenant´s last line of defense on the 30 days no-cp campaign (EU). We intend to fight epic battles in small, casual player friendly raid groups.0 -
Demra✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »the_broo11 wrote: »Currently leveling up a stamsorc using bow and DW. With the changes coming in sommerset that 2H weapons get an extra slot, is there any reason to stick with DW and instead go to a 2H weapon? Forward Momentum is just too good.
Also do not forget to level Mages Guild (if no CP) You might need empower for some cheap crossbow-pull - Overload - Execute kills.
Lol what
Overload from a stamsorc in no cp, coming soon to a death recap near you.
More like: Stam Sorcs getting permanently stuck in overload and dying hilariously, just like their Magicka cousins.
Coming soon, to a buggy, lag-infested ZOS server near you.
I kill people with overload on my stam sorc more often than you'd think. It's kind of hilarious.
Less Hilarious is when you hit R to leave and nothing happens.
You wait 2-3 seconds, hit R again, and then you leave and enter overload again.
Hit R again, and you get bugged. Your weapons show up, but you’re still stuck in overload... and BTW some stam DK is humping your leg and you can’t enter/exit again correctly before you die.
It happens every day to me, it’s starting to get less funny though.
Ever since I added middle mouse button for ulti it stopped happening to me. Give it a try if you care.0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Been using Briarheart and Mech Acuity. DW + S/B. 31k both HPs and Stam. Monster is the ultimate one.
Thinking of dropping DW for 2H. Mostly been dive bombing zergs in and out. 2H might be better for that. Dunno. Can't really kill anyone 1v1 as is. Maybe go more HPs.0 -
n0she1teR✭✭I’ve been playing stam sorc for the last few weeks and having a lot of fun with it (mostly non-cp and battlegrounds). My current build is:
5 bone pirate
5 acuity (front bar, DW)
2 agility (back bar, SnB with max mag on shield so I don’t miss out on that mechanical acuity 4pc)
2 velidreth (also switch into bloodspawn or troll king depending on group comp)
Bar set up-
DW- rending, shrouded dag(flex), steel tornado, quick cloak, crit surge, DBoS.
SnB- vigor, reverb, shuffle, hurricane, dark deal, ulti varies on this bar (storm atro for passive recovery and makeshift LoS, overload for 3rd bar, negate for group play)
I run 2 recovery glyphs on jewelry for no cp gameplay and switch to my other BP neck with weap dmg for cp campaigns. Probably wouldn’t need to switch if I was a red guard or bosmer instead of orc. However, I have been having a blast playing with a buddy who has a stamden. We tend to just group people up and then stack our dawnies and spin-to-win’s while I have hurricane and blade cloak and he has shalks.
Acuity is much more effective in non champ due to the lack of impen on most people (unless they run impreg).
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@n0she1teR Bone Pirate is bugged and even though will show stat increases on tooltips, is currently not providing any 5th piece bonus.1 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@n0she1teR Bone Pirate is bugged and even though will show stat increases on tooltips, is currently not providing any 5th piece bonus.
What? Since when?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dizzy swing is hard to land unless its extremely laggy and u get lucky on timing. For pvp. It kills noobs easy enough, but those will die easy to anything rly
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lao✭✭✭✭DW and bow are at 44 or so. Will get them both to 50. Was just wondering if leveling 2H might be wise. when you say 2h is spikier, isn't that desirable in pvp?
2h as a main weapon is absolute garbage vs anyone who isnt a total noob. there is a billion ways to not get hit by a dizzying swing. use DW or SnB as your dmg bar. just use 2h as offbar for forward momentum.0 -
n0she1teR✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@n0she1teR Bone Pirate is bugged and even though will show stat increases on tooltips, is currently not providing any 5th piece bonus.
Yea I know, it sucks that it’s bugged and I’m hoping they fix it quickly. Right now the set is for sustain mostly, I will enjoy when the max stam actually does something when it’s fixed.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apologies for not going to patch notes but can someone remind me the change to Empower from Mage's guild please ? Will it be bonus damage to first light attack and that's why StamSorc could run overload effectively next patch ?0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DW+Bow on a medium armour stam sorc is HILARIOUS in no-CP battlegrounds. You melt through people like butter, and they have no idea how to deal with it unless they’re INCREDIBLY tanky and know what they’re doing. The idea that you need 2H for Forward Momentum as a stam sorc is laughable. Immovable potions are your friend. If you’re outnumbered, pop a potion and Shuffle/Ball of Lightning outta there. I have so much freaking fun on my stam sorc in Battlegrounds, and am looking forward to Summerset so I can use a random bow for the 2pc bonus (haven’t managed to get my hands on a Masters bow yet, so my Maelstrom bow is just there for poops and giggles and has zero impact on my performance).Edited by Aurielle on May 6, 2018 11:31PM0 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭DW+Bow on a medium armour stam sorc is HILARIOUS in no-CP battlegrounds. You melt through people like butter, and they have no idea how to deal with it unless they’re INCREDIBLY tanky and know what they’re doing. The idea that you need 2H for Forward Momentum as a stam sorc is laughable. Immovable potions are your friend. If you’re outnumbered, pop a potion and Shuffle/Ball of Lightning outta there. I have so much freaking fun on my stam sorc in Battlegrounds, and am looking forward to Summerset so I can use a random bow for the 2pc bonus (haven’t managed to get my hands on a Masters bow yet, so my Maelstrom bow is just there for poops and giggles and has zero impact on my performance).
What sets are you using?0