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Tyralbin✭✭✭✭✭Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Really? Cosmetic?
Since when have motifs been cosmetic?
The Bouyant Armiger crafting book was available to buy for the crown gems from the crown store.Edited by Tyralbin on May 6, 2018 2:40AMLive a little love a lot send all your gold to this Imperials pot.1 -
AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭The ESO debate that will never end. Good ol' trusty crown crate chaos; free of chargeEdited by AbysmalGhul on May 6, 2018 2:54AM0 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Luckylancer wrote: »100$ should break any RNG by giving all you want. You should get 6 when you rol the dice enough times. These crates are scam.
is that a 6 sided dice or a 20 sided dice, because the odds are vastly different.
"LOL why because people have no self control and no ability to take responsibility for their own actions?". This is disgusting. I would agree with you if the victim would get the apex item he wanted. He would have pay much for something small but he got nothing he wanted. He got scammed.
your argument is a total fallacy. they knew what they were buying and they got exactly what they paid for. That is not a scam by any definition of the word. Its a fake argument put forward by people (lets say liars, because you know its not true) who cant find a truthful argument for this topic. What YOU are doing is scamming people by calling it a scam. giving people false impressions of something you simply dont like.2 -
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✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Nobody is forgetting that and people have every reason to complain/ Being "cosmetic" doesn't matter, people don't care that it's not pay-to-win, we are upset that the system fundamentally undermines the customer/service provider dynamic. Get used to the complaining, it's not going away.
If you mean the system in which " I want X and you should give it to me for Y price and if you dont you are an evil greedy predatory business" then no it doesnt.
I am a business owner and a carpenter. I have to deal with this "I want it for X" all the time. I actually add to the price for people who try to get something for free or a discount. The more they try to convince me why they should get it for X, the more i add to the price.
People need to get off the entitlement bandwagon. Many of the same people who complain about the price they are charged for a luxury are the same people who demand $15/hr to do a job that requires less skill than operating a tv remote control.
@Anotherone773
Do you put a bunch of products in boxes and get your customer to buy boxes until they get the product they were looking for? No? Then we're not talking about the same thing, thanks.
Your right, when people call me they need a real service...usually their house is falling down, roof is leaking, window or door is broke. When people complain about crates they are pouting about something totally superficial, worthless, and pretty much completely useless, but they still complain because they cant have it.
If a customer doesnt like my price, we part ways and dont do business. If a customer doesnt like ZOS's price, they make 40 whine threads about it trying to convince ZOS and other players that the price should be cheaper or free or whatever. The difference is ZOS puts up with the whining and i dont. If i wanted to listen to whining all day, i would of opened a daycare.
This game cost money to operate...more money in a month than most people on this forum will make in a lifetime. The crown store and subs pay for that cost. The cost of developing and running an MMO has increased more than tenfold since the early 2000s. The price of a game and a sub have went up ZERO percent in the same amount of time. You do the math. The money has to come from somewhere. How about $30/month required subs and $100 xpacks?0 -
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✭Don't complain when you wasted money on 22 crates and got just about nothing. You wern't forced to spend your money on them so you have know one but yourself to blame..0 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭The easiest way to avoid frustration with the RNG in crates is simple - don't buy them.
Not to mention, ZoS has THE worst crate scheme I have ever seen in an MMO. Most crate seasons have all new stuff and when you buy crates from that season all you get is new stuff. ZoS has littered every season with the exact same filler junk - potions, food and scrolls. So out of every four cards you typically only get ONE new item.
Save your frustration - don't buy crates.1 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »
This game cost money to operate...more money in a month than most people on this forum will make in a lifetime. The crown store and subs pay for that cost. The cost of developing and running an MMO has increased more than tenfold since the early 2000s. The price of a game and a sub have went up ZERO percent in the same amount of time. You do the math. The money has to come from somewhere. How about $30/month required subs and $100 xpacks?
You forgot one very important statistic - games also have much bigger bases of customers than past years. Last year, the video game industry surpassed the movie industry in terms of size in revenue.
In 2000, for example, if a game sold 1 million copies it was considered a blockbuster. Successful games used to be considered one that sold 400,00 copies or more.
Fast forward to today and those numbers have climbed exponentially. A blockbuster is now a game that sells 10 million copies or more and a game is considered successful when it sells 3 million copies or more.
So prices don't have to rise to cover the added costs in development today because the market size has helped them cover those costs and then some.
ZoS claims over ten million people have walked in Tamriel. If you consider the average player spent say $35 on the game to do that, that is $350 million right there - not including revenue from subs or additional CS items. In a game that is four years old, that is almost $90 million/year for that. That alone more than covers the cost of operation.
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pdebie64b16_ESO✭✭✭So if you follow the forums you know you have a higher chance to get only crap items instead of something you want, but you still buy those loot boxes and then start complaining?0
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Trevore✭✭✭The whole system with it is just weird. I wasn't expecting to get any Apex rewards yesterday (and I rarely did crate's for this season.) But when I opened my second box, bam. Apex. I feel like the rewards are just completely randomized.Gamertag: MagicalTringusXbox One | NA|Trevore Lombardi [DC ] - Imperial Dragonknight [PvP/PvE Tank]]Samuel Elias Xarxes [DC] - Altmer Sorcerer [Magicka DPS]Solaris Carona [DC] - Breton Templar [Magicka DPS]Alice Barbie Angel [DC] - Breton Necromancer [Magicka DPS]Trevore Nightshade [DC] - Imperial Nightblade [Stamina PvP DPS]Nemo Tigerclaw [DC] - Khajit Nightblade [Stamina PvE DPS]Thomas Ganks [DC] - Dunmer Nightblade [Magicka PvP DPS]Volga Valkyn Skoria [DC] - Dunmer Dragonknight [Stamina PvP DPS]0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »
This game cost money to operate...more money in a month than most people on this forum will make in a lifetime. The crown store and subs pay for that cost. The cost of developing and running an MMO has increased more than tenfold since the early 2000s. The price of a game and a sub have went up ZERO percent in the same amount of time. You do the math. The money has to come from somewhere. How about $30/month required subs and $100 xpacks?
You forgot one very important statistic - games also have much bigger bases of customers than past years. Last year, the video game industry surpassed the movie industry in terms of size in revenue.
In 2000, for example, if a game sold 1 million copies it was considered a blockbuster. Successful games used to be considered one that sold 400,00 copies or more.
Fast forward to today and those numbers have climbed exponentially. A blockbuster is now a game that sells 10 million copies or more and a game is considered successful when it sells 3 million copies or more.
So prices don't have to rise to cover the added costs in development today because the market size has helped them cover those costs and then some.
ZoS claims over ten million people have walked in Tamriel. If you consider the average player spent say $35 on the game to do that, that is $350 million right there - not including revenue from subs or additional CS items. In a game that is four years old, that is almost $90 million/year for that. That alone more than covers the cost of operation.
Id have an easier time trying to teach my dog to speak fluent Chinese....
Zeni doesnt get all of that $35 unless they do direct sales. They have to pay distributors and retailers.
But it doesnt matter because this game....
* will have cost $100 million or more to develop
* will have cost $100 million or more for server hardware
* will have had untold millions spent on advertising, licenses, copyrights, and various other nonsense.
* have untold other expenses.
People are trying to justify that X amount is enough and not a single person here has ever ran an mmo, and most couldnt give you the basics of how to run a business or what it entails.
So you can come up with whatever arbitrary numbers you think and say thats enough but its not. The cost of a game has not went up in nearly 2 decades. The costs of a sub has not went up never. The cost to produce a game has went up tenfold. The cost to operate an mmo has went up exponentially.
It takes YEARS to recover just the development cost of a game. Most MMOs fail because they cant make enough money to keep the lights on. Those that dont fail, we are currently talking about on these forums and how they should do just fine without all the extra OPTIONAL revenue we are providing them with.
You are playing ESO because Zeni has done what it needs to to make it profitable and thus keep the servers online. You can question their business decisions all you want, the fact is they are running a successful business that why you can still log in.1 -
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Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Smh ZOS's inability to address the concerns of users in their application of loot boxes says more than any debate on the subject will ever achieve.
I really hope this ostrich approach of ignoring the player base comes back on them.PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion1 -
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Do you put a bunch of products in boxes and get your customer to buy boxes until they get the product they were looking for? No? Then we're not talking about the same thing, thanks.
this is another lie put forward by people who dont like crates.
if i want to buy an item, i buy the item. i pay money, i get a product. for example, a big mac. i buy a big mac, i get a big mac.
You cannot do that with crates. So to make that claim like you just did is outright garbage.
When you buy a crate, you are buying random items. You are not buying a skin, or a mount, or even consumables. You are buying a box of RANDOM items. The sooner you people understand this, the sooner all these threads can be shut down and the rest of us dont have to listen to the constant whinging by people who cant understand such a basic concept.0 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭
Do you put a bunch of products in boxes and get your customer to buy boxes until they get the product they were looking for? No? Then we're not talking about the same thing, thanks.
this is another lie put forward by people who dont like crates.
if i want to buy an item, i buy the item. i pay money, i get a product. for example, a big mac. i buy a big mac, i get a big mac.
You cannot do that with crates. So to make that claim like you just did is outright garbage.
When you buy a crate, you are buying random items. You are not buying a skin, or a mount, or even consumables. You are buying a box of RANDOM items. The sooner you people understand this, the sooner all these threads can be shut down and the rest of us dont have to listen to the constant whinging by people who cant understand such a basic concept.
I take your view, if I don't want it, I don't buy it.
I think many issues with crates is that companies increasingly put the items most desired in them.
Take your Big Mac example. Let's say it was the most desired burger McDonalds made. Knowing this, rather than letting you buy a Big Mac, they put a bunch of random boxes for you to pick from. You pay $3 each for these. Cheaper than a Big Mac bought directly, but you go through say ten boxes before you got your Big Mac. The other eight boxes had a $1 hamburger in them. So, at the end of the day you now spent $30 to get your $6 Big Mac.
This is the "ploy" gaming companies are using. Rather than sell you the Big Mac directly, they lock it behind a randomized process which gives you a very, very small chance of getting your Big Mac cheaper than normal, but more often than not, getting you to spend 5 to 10 times what it would go for if you could buy it direct.
As for me, I would just go without the Big Mac.0 -
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✭✭✭Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Really? Cosmetic?
Since when have motifs been cosmetic?
The Bouyant Armiger crafting book was available to buy for the crown gems from the crown store.
Motifs have been cosmetic since always, afaik. Crafted sets can give stat boosts, yes. Does the blue Nord motif give lower stats than the gold Imperial motif? Or is the only difference between the motifs is what the gear looks like? What stuff looks like with no other difference = cosmetic.
What do you win if your armor style is Bouyant Armiger? If I get that motif and make a full set of gear and weapons, will I be first on the leaderboards? Make emperor automatically? Get whatever the latest bis weapon is? What about the monster set shoulder/helms? No? I just get to have armor look a certain way? Cosmetic.
Motifs are cosmetic. Bundles of the blue styles are for sale in the crown store. The more rare harder to find books are for sale in the crown store. 3 styles used to be locked behind pvp, until players bought the pages with AP and sold them for gold. Now they are for outright sale in the crown store. If I have the crowns from my sub, and I don't want to take weeks to accumulate the gold and hunt down the pages, I can buy the cosmetic make my character look pretty motifs.
Have there been players willing to pay thousands of gold for crafted BA style armor or weapons? Is there any advantage at all to getting the motif? Or any of the motifs, really. Pay to win would be finding "TEH UBER GOD ONESHOT SWORD OF TOTAL DESTRUCTION" in the store or in the rng crates.0 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Greetings, we've decided not to release our crown crates drop rate because we are acutely aware it is downright embarrassing and would rightly cause community wide outrage. Please stop asking us as doing the right and/or decent thing is not a path we're interested in pursuing at this time.Thank you for your understanding.
About right my poltroonish ZO$ites ?
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