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JWKe✭✭✭✭Chicharron wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
I'm honestly not really mad about it I feel sorry for those people who pour 100s of dollars into the loot crates and got nothing basically ZOS should feel ashamed of themselves lol
LOL why because people have no self control and no ability to take responsibility for their own actions?
Yeah thats Zos's fault
FFS.
thats an exploit and i think its against the rules.
How is it any different from fast food companies putting up suggestive images on TV? Such is just as predatory if you ask me. But of course we still see folks overly obese and with this we still see folks buying more crates than they can afford. Could It be a genetic thing where they have no self control? Perhaps. But to rid the whole system for a few? Crazy.0 -
Hemigidius_ukSoul ShrivenYou're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.Edited by Hemigidius_uk on May 5, 2018 7:18PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's almost like we'd be better off not gambling for things we want, and just buying them directly at a predetermined cost.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Nobody is forgetting that and people have every reason to complain/ Being "cosmetic" doesn't matter, people don't care that it's not pay-to-win, we are upset that the system fundamentally undermines the customer/service provider dynamic. Get used to the complaining, it's not going away.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the comsumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
The reason to complain is that almost every single cosmetic in this game is locked beyond a gambling wall. Why can´t we buy stuff directely from the store, like in other games? Why has everything good been moved from the store to the scam crates? Why the little amount of things left in the store are overpriced, dull, and available for a limited time?
Answer: lame and shady market model, aiming to buying impulse, artificial scarcity, and encouragement of gambling.
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Sorry.
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✭✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
I'm honestly not really mad about it I feel sorry for those people who pour 100s of dollars into the loot crates and got nothing basically ZOS should feel ashamed of themselves lol
You always get something from the crates in fact you always get at least 4 items from the crates and sometimes 5, so your not not getting something, your not just getting what you may want. You dont always get what you want in life, people should be use to this by now???
Oh please try harder to justify this *** system. Maybe ZOS might kick you some free crates that will give you nothing.
Its utterly exhausting having this debate every bloody time. If you can find one person purchasing crown crates specifically because they want the potions or XP scrolls I will be seriously impressed. Everyone who buys them is buying them because they want cosmetics which they cannot get any other way, the consumables are just there to make you spend more. they are all too common and its painfully cynical from ZOS.
Adding motif pages into the loot boxes is another attempt to pad out what content you can realistically get which will lower the desirable drops even more. Players bending over backwards to justify ZOS actions does nothing to help and reeks of an 'i'm all right jack' way of thinking which helps no one.
Just consider it a moment:
ZOS won't release the drop rate percentages
Colours, sounds etc. are designed to keep you blinding plugging money in
Consumable rewards are added in decreasing the chance of getting anything good
Now 14 motif pages will be added therefore adding another 14 items you probably don't really want.
No part of this is player friendly. At least when you go into a casino you know the odds. This is so much worse.
I dont trash my scrolls, but i wish i could convert all those stupid emotes, costumers, pets, tats, skins, and other useless nonsense the first time i got them. Do you know why i buy crown crates? Because i like them. I like chance boxes. I ENJOY chance boxes. And i enjoy them even more as i think about the people who whine about a completely optional micro transaction in which the only useful items in it are the ones that they call "trash". In fact i LMAO thinking about that while flipping my cards.
If you dont like crates, dont buy them. If you want whats in them, buy them. If you dont like that option, go without. Meanwhile, i will open one in your name.
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✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the comsumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
The reason to complain is that almost every single cosmetic in this game is locked beyond a gambling wall. Why can´t we buy stuff directely from the store, like in other games? Why has everything good been moved from the store to the scam crates? Why the little amount of things left in the store are overpriced, dull, and available for a limited time?
Answer: lame and shady market model, aiming to buying impulse, artificial scarcity, and encouragement of gambling.
Veredict: Ih, ZO$, how could you fell so low?
People won't buy overpriced $40 mounts in the crown store (see 4000+ crown Elk for reference), but they will shell out more than $40 for a chance to win a mount in a crown crate. Why? Because people think there's prestige in owning something difficult to obtain even if the difficulty is only based on RNG.
Very few people will own this Sparkly Whoozit Senche mount, therefore, I must spend my entire paycheck on crown crates to get it.Edited by Tabbycat on May 5, 2018 7:40PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Nobody is forgetting that and people have every reason to complain/ Being "cosmetic" doesn't matter, people don't care that it's not pay-to-win, we are upset that the system fundamentally undermines the customer/service provider dynamic. Get used to the complaining, it's not going away.
If you mean the system in which " I want X and you should give it to me for Y price and if you dont you are an evil greedy predatory business" then no it doesnt.
I am a business owner and a carpenter. I have to deal with this "I want it for X" all the time. I actually add to the price for people who try to get something for free or a discount. The more they try to convince me why they should get it for X, the more i add to the price.
People need to get off the entitlement bandwagon. Many of the same people who complain about the price they are charged for a luxury are the same people who demand $15/hr to do a job that requires less skill than operating a tv remote control.Edited by Anotherone773 on May 5, 2018 7:52PM3 -
randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »
Funnily enough RNG is not an issue, never has been, random numbers are just that, random.
What is the issue is the weighted loot tables which are 100% specified by the marketing team (I reckon the dev team would be way more generous) They take the random numbers and make them very much less than random.EU PS40 -
Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭If you don't like the risk of not winning what you want while gambling, don't gamble.1 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭100$ should break any RNG by giving all you want. You should get 6 when you rol the dice enough times. These crates are scam.
"LOL why because people have no self control and no ability to take responsibility for their own actions?". This is disgusting. I would agree with you if the victim would get the apex item he wanted. He would have pay much for something small but he got nothing he wanted. He got scammed.0 -
MajesticHaruki✭✭✭✭✭We ve advised numerous times against crown crates. If you think you are not like the others and will always be lucky, the time will come and you ll join the club of robbed gamblers. I am not against supporting the game (eso+ subscriber) but crown crates are not the way to do it.PC/EU @MajThorax Sorcerer and Housing Decorator prodigy
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✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Hemigidius_uk wrote: »You're all forgetting the fact that crown store items are COSMETIC, you don't NEED to buy them, the consumable items are pretty much pointless, you can buy/make better ones with gold/crafting.
The crown store is not P2W so you have no reason to complain.
Nobody is forgetting that and people have every reason to complain/ Being "cosmetic" doesn't matter, people don't care that it's not pay-to-win, we are upset that the system fundamentally undermines the customer/service provider dynamic. Get used to the complaining, it's not going away.
If you mean the system in which " I want X and you should give it to me for Y price and if you dont you are an evil greedy predatory business" then no it doesnt.
I am a business owner and a carpenter. I have to deal with this "I want it for X" all the time. I actually add to the price for people who try to get something for free or a discount. The more they try to convince me why they should get it for X, the more i add to the price.
People need to get off the entitlement bandwagon. Many of the same people who complain about the price they are charged for a luxury are the same people who demand $15/hr to do a job that requires less skill than operating a tv remote control.
@Anotherone773
Do you put a bunch of products in boxes and get your customer to buy boxes until they get the product they were looking for? No? Then we're not talking about the same thing, thanks.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I am just glad I find most of the apex mounts ugly and too flashy, makes it easier to resist buying crates.
Why must they all explode out of the ground. lol
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Tyralbin✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
I'm honestly not really mad about it I feel sorry for those people who pour 100s of dollars into the loot crates and got nothing basically ZOS should feel ashamed of themselves lol
LOL why because people have no self control and no ability to take responsibility for their own actions?
Yeah thats Zos's fault
FFS.
Umm, let me let you into some truths.
I worked for 25 years in the gaming industry and yes you are right people should take responsibility for there own actions but here is the kicker; in the UK all casinos now also have to take responsibility for their customers. If they think they have a problem gambling they have to stop them.
If they don't take action they can be taken to court by the customer or even lose their gaming license as a company.
I myself will not buy these crates and would advise others not to either but then as you say it is there choice.
The biggest issue I have with any type of online gambling or micro transactions is the intangability of everything. You have less control because you see or receive nothing physical.
Take the UK gambling industry. There are many casino companies that no longer have real casinos just online versions. One of the reasons being that online is more lax at the moment so the customer protection as far as I am aware is not covered in the gaming act yet.
My point being a company should take some responsibility for the safety of their consumers. Whether this be a physical product or an online one.
I am not having a go at ZOS as what they are doing is not illegal (yet). I just wish the gaming companies would get together and police themselves (like they did with the PEGI system for age rating games) coming up with something that works. Maybe limiting amounts one can buy or throwing up a counter saying this is the *th box you brought this month.
What I fear if they don't police this themselves is that they will be forced into a corner by courts (can't remember the game but one was banned recently in belgium) and this could force some games to close down.
If these things where put in place it would show the companies as being more noral.Edited by Tyralbin on May 5, 2018 10:02PMLive a little love a lot send all your gold to this Imperials pot.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »100$ should break any RNG by giving all you want. You should get 6 when you rol the dice enough times. These crates are scam.
1) That's not how RNG works, and
2) that's what the "crown gems" are for - once you've failed enough times, you've got a bunch of gems to buy the thing you want (the worse lootboxes are the ones that don't have a failsafe system like that)
(and yes - them then adding those un-buyable 'radiant' apex mounts was a bit of a shot in the foot to the concept. Likely due to "whales" buying so many crates in the first round or two, that they had enough gems they'd never have to buy another crate for years. Given that they're 'whales', the ones who spend the most, ZOS felt the need to do something to 'fix' this.
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✭Chicharron wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
I'm honestly not really mad about it I feel sorry for those people who pour 100s of dollars into the loot crates and got nothing basically ZOS should feel ashamed of themselves lol
LOL why because people have no self control and no ability to take responsibility for their own actions?
Yeah thats Zos's fault
FFS.
thats an exploit and i think its against the rules.
How is it any different from fast food companies putting up suggestive images on TV? Such is just as predatory if you ask me. But of course we still see folks overly obese and with this we still see folks buying more crates than they can afford. Could It be a genetic thing where they have no self control? Perhaps. But to rid the whole system for a few? Crazy.
All i say is, according to ZOS, it is against the rules.
I still have my 3 free boxes of the level up rewards, and I have no plans to use the 6 of the last event or the psijic one.
Since I am plus I have only spent 500 crowns, and those whats the free ones 500 you get when you buy the game.
But you can not deny that ZOS use an exploit, and that is against the rules according to ZOS0 -
ThumbtackJake✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »
Is it really? I just opened four crates and got 2x decayed zombie skins. Normally I just get consumables. Best thing I ever pulled was a Frost Mare and the Senche Leopard.Edited by ThumbtackJake on May 5, 2018 11:47PMLong term filthy casual.0 -
MajesticHaruki✭✭✭✭✭Speaking of skins I got the inferno skin from the 3 crates in last crate season. 1/22? Holy Molly.PC/EU @MajThorax Sorcerer and Housing Decorator prodigy
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✭✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
I'm honestly not really mad about it I feel sorry for those people who pour 100s of dollars into the loot crates and got nothing basically ZOS should feel ashamed of themselves lol
You always get something from the crates in fact you always get at least 4 items from the crates and sometimes 5, so your not not getting something, your not just getting what you may want. You dont always get what you want in life, people should be use to this by now???
Oh please try harder to justify this *** system. Maybe ZOS might kick you some free crates that will give you nothing.
Its utterly exhausting having this debate every bloody time. If you can find one person purchasing crown crates specifically because they want the potions or XP scrolls I will be seriously impressed. Everyone who buys them is buying them because they want cosmetics which they cannot get any other way, the consumables are just there to make you spend more. they are all too common and its painfully cynical from ZOS.
Adding motif pages into the loot boxes is another attempt to pad out what content you can realistically get which will lower the desirable drops even more. Players bending over backwards to justify ZOS actions does nothing to help and reeks of an 'i'm all right jack' way of thinking which helps no one.
Just consider it a moment:
ZOS won't release the drop rate percentages
Colours, sounds etc. are designed to keep you blinding plugging money in
Consumable rewards are added in decreasing the chance of getting anything good
Now 14 motif pages will be added therefore adding another 14 items you probably don't really want.
No part of this is player friendly. At least when you go into a casino you know the odds. This is so much worse.
No, not really. The consumables are there as the official reason people buy the crates. The people monetizing things can point to the bundled consumables being worth more than the cost of the crate to justify it. The shinys are simply added items that you have a chance of getting. Slim, minute, and infinitesimal chances, but still chances.
Yes, everyone with two brain cells knows people buy the crates for the shinys, and no one really buys them for the consumables that crafters can make better versions of, for the most part. But if they can point to the consumables as being the reason people buy the crates, then it isn't gambling because the only things you are absolutely guaranteed to receive are the consumables.
When the crates showed up on the pts, there were literally hundreds of posts about how totally pointless the massive number of potions/poisons/food were, and how no one actually would ever use the stuff because the crafters could make better versions. You see, in the pts version of the crates, you couldn't trade back the consumables for gems. The only gems you got were for duplicates of non-consumable type items, like pets and costumes. Official statement that they were taking our feedback into consideration appeared. When the crates went live you could trade back the consumables for gems.
I believe they realized in very short order that wasn't a good thing to do, however. People posted about how they managed to get enough gems to buy the item or items they wanted, and didn't have to buy more crates until new shinys showed up. The exact opposite of what the monetizers wanted. So radiant apex mounts appeared, that can't be bought for gems. Not really a surprise.0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »wow it's almost like rng doesn't guarantee you anything
Just get right with RNGeezus....0 -
Trevore✭✭✭After actually getting an Radient Apex mount on Christmas, I realize that the only things I like from the crown crates are the little things. I like the statues, the motifs, the emotes, even the costumes. Never gonna set myself up for Apex again.Gamertag: MagicalTringusXbox One | NA|Trevore Lombardi [DC ] - Imperial Dragonknight [PvP/PvE Tank]]Samuel Elias Xarxes [DC] - Altmer Sorcerer [Magicka DPS]Solaris Carona [DC] - Breton Templar [Magicka DPS]Alice Barbie Angel [DC] - Breton Necromancer [Magicka DPS]Trevore Nightshade [DC] - Imperial Nightblade [Stamina PvP DPS]Nemo Tigerclaw [DC] - Khajit Nightblade [Stamina PvE DPS]Thomas Ganks [DC] - Dunmer Nightblade [Magicka PvP DPS]Volga Valkyn Skoria [DC] - Dunmer Dragonknight [Stamina PvP DPS]0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Nobody is forgetting that and people have every reason to complain/ Being "cosmetic" doesn't matter, people don't care that it's not pay-to-win, we are upset that the system fundamentally undermines the customer/service provider dynamic. Get used to the complaining, it's not going away.
This issue would be solved if ZOS would only publish the drop rates... perhaps in the Patch No-- wait what??0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »100$ should break any RNG by giving all you want. You should get 6 when you rol the dice enough times. These crates are scam.
Stay in school... maybe take a statistics class...The 100th crate you open has the same drop rate as the 1st...1 -
Tyralbin✭✭✭✭✭Let me give a clearer picture about RNG and gambling in general.
Every roll of the dice, spin of the ball, purchase of a crown crate reset the the odds back to the same as the last one.Edited by Tyralbin on May 6, 2018 2:32AMLive a little love a lot send all your gold to this Imperials pot.0
