Ojustaboo wrote: »

Bansheedragon wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Also, this is one of the 'smart' reasons to hold a 'early access'. The game is not technically out, so in some form you are still in a mini beta. It gives them more time to fix most of the starter area bugs before the true launch.

I supposed it depends on your point of view whether or not Early Access is to be considered another beta or part of the launch.

But semantics aside, if they cannot fix the bugs that have been reported to them over the last 4 months, before the game launches, then they should have delayed the launch until they were fixed.

When you buy a car, you expect it to be in fully working order.
You dont have things like the lights not working and the car either not starting at all or only occasionally, and then have the seller tell you something like "Come back in a month, and we will have a fix ready for you".

A game is no different, it should be working when they release it.
Sure it cannot be in 100% working order, but when you have major game and progression breaking bugs like in this game then its simply not ready for release.

Over the past decade this is something that has become gradually more common, to the point where people are saying "its to be expected" and " they will fix it eventually".
I didnt pay to play a half finished game, I paid to play a fully functional and working game.
Minor and occasional glitches and bugs I can accept and live with, but this is not minor, this is only a half finished job.
Many people cannot log in at all, and those that can get in, are met with major and game-breaking bugs that prevents them from progressing.

While I understand and to a point agree with you, the simple fact is that if we want to play these types of games, we do have to put up with it.

The car anology is very different as it's an entirely different thing with high tech factories churning out identical products one after another (and even then there's been some huge recalls over the years).

A multi player online PC game has to deal with a mind numbing different selection of hardware, then many people connect in different ways, then there's the kit the various isps use etc etc etc.

They can beta test until they are blue in the face but until they go live, they will never be able to tweak the servers properly, which is why so many of us say it's to be expected or its the norm.

If they ran a huge open beta lasting about a month, too many people would have completed too much of the early part of the game which means come launch, many more players rush through the early content and that can cause problems such as getting to end game much quicker than was anticipated for the average player. And come the actual launch many non beta players would join, find problems with their PC etc (and zenimax would find unforseen problems their end), and still say the games not ready.

So we don't have any choice if we want to play these types of games.

Where zenimax and others screw up is with their wording.

They should offer us our pre order bonuses and put a note in saying something like
" we are letting all people who pre order, on to our game 5 days before the official launch date, this early start is in addition to and not part of your pre order bonus. During this early start you may experience a few issues as we put the final tweaks onto our megaservers"

Trouble is, if any company did that, the games press would have a field day spinning what was said to imply the games not finished etc. So the games companies are damed if they do, and damed if they don't.

Personally I have been pleasantly surprised as to how many bugs I experienced last beta now seem fixed.

As to the argument that we are subbing, I'm sure that if the game is unplayable for any day during the month (normal maintenance aside) , we will get that time credited and I'm also sure that if any player is unlucky enough to take a week before zenimax can sort out why that player can't log in etc, again I would be very surprised if zenimax didnt credit that player with any lost days.

So yes I would love games to release virtually bug free but given the choice, I would put up with the bugs until they are fixed, than not have the games at all

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

They have been aware of these issues for over 4 months and they haven't done a thing about them since they first got wind of them, I'd love an explanation as well actually.

Valn wrote: »

These guys seem to know a lot about MMOs. Maybe you should make your own one where you can make everything the way you want?