AlnilamE wrote: »

Yes. It is. And I say that as someone who has subscribed since before there was a craft bag and will continue subscribing after.

It's just such a HUGE quality of life improvement that it should be part of the base game.

Nestor wrote: »

OK, so you want the Crafting Bag to be available without a Subscription. What do you propose to replace it with that gives me the same value for my sub?


People asking for this do not realize it will be the death of the game if this was to happen, simply because so many would unsub, the financial model of ZOS would probably not survive unless some things you don't want to happen became part of the Crown Store. The day this was announced would be the day I would ditch my sub.

So, really, pay your sub if you want the crafting bag.

Did you subscribe before there was a craft bag (when there were even fewer incentives to do so than now)?

I see your point, but there weren't nearly as many mats back then as there are now. On my PC account, I don't have ESO+ and prior to the recent ESO+ trial, EVERY slot in my bank (all 240) was taken up by crafting mats! I even had my alts holding onto extra stacks of basic mats such as iron ingots. Style mats alone have probably quadrupled since the launch of ESO+, not to mention the additional housing mats, new alchemy ingredients, and the upcoming jewelry mats, for which we'll have unrefined and refined not just for the basic mats, but for the trait stones and tempers as well. Also, those not into crafting have more sets they might want to keep, with more coming all the time. Then there are furnishings and all sorts of motif pages/recipes/plans that people are holding onto to sell.

In short, the number of items a player might want to store has gone up exponentially, and it is probably why these threads pop up more and more. Players are feeling the pain of playing the inventory management game.

Thus, the bag is important and a very desirable perk for ESO+. I subbed before this perk, as I was used to subbing when the game was sub-only and continued to sub when I switched to XB. I briefly unsubbed when I got tired of the hassles that ESO+ was on XB, but subbed again when Homestead launched. Why? I got tired of the inventory minigame and housing was bringing additional mats to the game, not to mention furnishings.

Also, the way the DLC is structured now, with really only three (four if you decide to wait a year after an expansion's release) and two of them being dungeon DLCs, there is now only ONE DLC for me. I don't do dungeons, and so those two DLCs are worthless to me. I will buy the expansions when they launch because I don't want to wait a year for the content and because I want to SUPPORT the game. Crafting bag, then, is really now it for me in terms of why I pay a sub. If it's removed, then I'll probably get my homes all decorated with the double slots, dye any costumes I want, clear out my bank of things I really don't actually need, and then unsub. I'll buy the ONE DLC a year I'm interested in, buy the expansion, and continue to buy crowns (probably more since I won't have the 1500 monthly allotment).

AlnilamE wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Yes. It is. And I say that as someone who has subscribed since before there was a craft bag and will continue subscribing after.

It's just such a HUGE quality of life improvement that it should be part of the base game.

Nestor wrote: »

OK, so you want the Crafting Bag to be available without a Subscription. What do you propose to replace it with that gives me the same value for my sub?


People asking for this do not realize it will be the death of the game if this was to happen, simply because so many would unsub, the financial model of ZOS would probably not survive unless some things you don't want to happen became part of the Crown Store. The day this was announced would be the day I would ditch my sub.

So, really, pay your sub if you want the crafting bag.

Did you subscribe before there was a craft bag (when there were even fewer incentives to do so than now)?

Before the craft bag and optional subs, anyone who wanted to play the game had to sub. Mandatory subs were required. You didn't sub, you didn't play. "Incentives" didn't enter into it, and there wasn't anything else to buy, it was all part of the sub.

Yes, but there was a period between the game being sub-only and the arrival of the craft bag where ESO+ only gave you access to the DLCs and the XP/gold/research time buffs.

Edited to add: Tamriel Unlimited came out in March 2015 and the Craft Bag was introduced in May 2016 (coincidentally, that's when Vet Ranks were removed.

Sting864 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Yes. It is. And I say that as someone who has subscribed since before there was a craft bag and will continue subscribing after.

That isn't true... You subscribed before there was a crafting bag because a subscription was required before there was a crafting bag...

Actually, if you look at one of my later posts, you will see that there was a 14-month period between the time the game became B2P (March 2015) and the time the Craft Bag was introduced (May 2016). I did subscribe throughout that period.

I don't think that's the case... I do not remember subscribing to ESO+ without the crafting bag....

I apologize if I'm messing up the quotes, but i'm on my phone.

If this worked you should have links to the respective patch notes in my post quoted above yours.

The day the craft bag is given to non eso plus members is the day I will cancel my eso plus membership.

This is probably the only reason most eso plus members are subbed. ZOS will lose a bunch of money by doing this.

I would never consider a sub without the crafting bag. It would be cheaper to just buy DLC outright. I would miss the double bank space, but not enough to shell out the cost of the sub.

I currently have a sub that ends in 3 days. I was going to take break until Summerset and then sub for 1 month when it realease but I'm considering buying 3 months more. Inventory management is the only reason.

The benefit they get from me subbing sporadically is more than the loss they feel when I go on hiatus in my non-sub months. There are way too many people subbing merely due to crafting bag for me to imagine them agreeing to remove it from the sub.

My only issue is that they seem to be purposefully add way too many mats to get people to sub. Then, since people value the bag so much, they don't add much more of value to the sub. If inventory management didn't artificially create added value, the sub would look even more undervalued than it did before crafting bags when more value was being added through DLC compared to now.

Never happen because ZOS have engineering ESO to force you to sub for craft bag to have any playablility without endless hours inventory managing.

It started way back, increasing items from VR14, adding new items to the game, still basic items not stacking like glyphs etc and a measly double bank space for subscribers and these unaccessible housing chests have done little to help.

It is sub or spend hours or micro inventory managing. Or continuously farming gear you vendored to clear space

Lots of players are fancy to buy Crowns but refuse to pay for ESO+ and the craft bag is more usefull then all the mounts, costumes and pet pixels from the Crownstore.

So keep it ESO+ exclusive.

The craft bag is the biggest reason to subscribe. Giving this away for free would hurt the game's bottom line and the long term quality of the game.

No one is entitled to free stuff just because others have it and they want it too.

XHawkWingX wrote: »

I know that I would cancel my ESO+ if the craft bag was made available to everyone, and that is why it will probably never be made available to everyone.

They could atleast have premium accounts now since the crown store is making more than enough, and allowing the premium accounts to only obtain craft bag as the benefit mostly.

ReverseVenom wrote: »

I literally just cancelled my ESO+. Spent a whole day doing inventory management cause I had 480/240 and most of my characters inventory full. It is possible to manage all the crafting *** but you got to make a lot of sacrifices. I suppose it helps that all my characters are fully outfitted and I don't have to worry about getting rid of gear I might use.

It was a huge shift and I feel the limited inventory space constantly.

But I still think that giving it to non eso plus members would harm the entire game because they'll lose so much money the performance and development will be drastically effected from lack of income. ESO+ members keep the game running. They should have more advantages tbh

Just copy most of any other MMO and have a premium version with less passives attached to it, like just the crafting bag for now would be enough imo, the crown store already makes more than subs anyway

eh, i subbed primarily FOR the craft bag lol.

And i haven't missed a month since it's release... even when i wasn't playing as much. This is one of the few good MMOs out there right now IMO (and my go-to console MMO). I don't mind supporting it

on that note, i don't buy lootboxes/crowns/etc. so i love getting the 1500 crowns per month. I've picked up the vendor and bank assistants and a number of mounts, pets and exp scrolls (for alts) just from the crowns i've gotten over time lol.

I came for the craft bag. I stayed for the free crowns and 10% exp/gold boosts

(p.s. it wouldn't really affect me if they made it part of the F2P package... but i know a lot of people that sub almost exclusively for it without complaint so... it'd really hurt their bottom line to do so i'd think)

DuskMarine wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

#stopgivingpplthingsforfree

But... why? Do you not like free stuff? Or do you just hate other people? I mean, other people can suck, but like, not always, y'know?

people need to stop whining about something a subscription gives subs are always meant to have something nonsubs have an infinite craft bag being the thing nonsubs can do without.

I can't really disagree with how you interpret things - I mean that's completely up to you - but for my part, I don't think it's whining that the craft bag is locked behind a paywall, so much as asking if it's necessary to lock it behind a paywall. There are other reasons to sub, and the craft bag can in many ways be considered a basic necessity. Why not just lock the entire game behind a subscription like ESO used to do, in that case, right? It's a question to ask and think about, not so much someone complaining about not getting something they feel they're entitled to, from what I can tell.

My point though was why would you NOT want free stuff? Like, if ZOS could make it work, why would you be against free stuff? I have several friends who think this way, they want things to be difficult for the sake of being difficult (think Dark Souls players), and I never understood it, because I've seen the end where it locks less able people out. I mean, I'd rather have better rewards for more difficulty, not lesser rewards just being made more difficult to get. Just imagine if they gave the craft bag away for free but then gave subscribers something way cooler.