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Valkyn
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The proc conditions annoy me for a lot of reasons
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Valkyn 128 votes
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10% chance on any damage
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10% chance on DoT
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8% chance on any damage
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✭✭✭Valkyn needs buff.
I want it to act as a pseudo execute when target drops below 100% health
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Leave as isIt's one of two viable Magicka proc monster sets.
I'm ok of it changing if Selene and Veli then also change.
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's one of two viable Magicka proc monster sets.
I'm ok of it changing if Selene and Veli then also change.
I hardly see anyone using 2p of either set. 2pc veli in PvE, (no one uses that in PvP anymore) and people have moved away from Selenes since the changes, especially recently.New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.4 -
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
Yet many stam users wear valkyn :-)
Anyway leave it as it is cause its overturned but acceptable for me , and im worried what they would do if they change it
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.5 -
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
I think this may be the one case where console has an advantage. Because we get the rumble warning system, it's easy to block skoria0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Leave as isWaffennacht wrote: »
I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
I think this may be the one case where console has an advantage. Because we get the rumble warning system, it's easy to block skoria
^^I never had an issue fighting agianst Skoria either. It was always clear to me when it procced.
Doesn't PC have the same warning system as console? Idk why it'd be different.Edited by Vaoh on May 4, 2018 12:33AM0 -
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"Pls nerf" "Too OP" "It killed me in PvP on PTS" "Here's a video and some pictures of me cheesing on a PvE dummy to "prove it""
I do both PvP and PvE, but this crap from the rest of the PvP community needs to stop, because [removed profanity] like this is why skills get nerfed into the ground, which in turn, leaks over to PvE and [censored] that playmode over too.
Things change. You adapt and overcome, not get behind a keyboard and complain that things are too powerful because you died to it.
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✭Skoria itself isn't op, what is op about it is it gives tanky build just enough burst damage to kill you. you can wear a sustain and defensive set and then get your burst damage from skoria0 -
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✭✭Otherthankyourat wrote: »Skoria itself isn't op, what is op about it is it gives tanky build just enough burst damage to kill you. you can wear a sustain and defensive set and then get your burst damage from skoria
Not to mention that its easier to have a good uptime of it without spending many resources. Just leave one or two DOTS on a player and let RNG do it for you.
Infernal Guardian, for example, requires you to cast a damage shield twice (approximately) in order to proc it and even then it goes to the furthest enemy which can still avoid them.
With Nerieneth you have to cast a direct damage spell each second (and actually hit it) to have good uptime ( you can build around this but then you'd lose overall damage), has 2 seconds before the explosion, smaller area and lower damage than Skoria (considering the 25% fire weakness of vampires)
A single proc set shouldn't excel at two best things in a PVP environment. Either easy proc condition or the guaranteed hit should go.
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✭✭If it's not turned into a DoT or just remove from the game (my favorite
), it should at least have a clear visual indicator on the target. DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
Selens hit for 15k often, whilst skoria hits for no more than 5k, with a less reliable, but quicker proc.
I'd prefer less rng, so make it proc every 25 dot ticks, 5s with 5 dots. That way it feels less lucky, but works around the same effectiveness.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
Selens hit for 15k often, whilst skoria hits for no more than 5k, with a less reliable, but quicker proc.
I'd prefer less rng, so make it proc every 25 dot ticks, 5s with 5 dots. That way it feels less lucky, but works around the same effectiveness.
In practical and even for stam char, skoria is much more effective0 -
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✭✭Wait, you want it buffed? The set is already over performing, albeit because it is flame damage. If it were changed to magic damage it would be much more balanced, because as it stands it absolutely shreds vampires.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Leave as isThe set is actually one of the better balanced proc sets in the game. You could add a better Telegraph than the audio cue but that’s about it.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
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✭Leave as isProc conditions are fine. More offense proc sets should work like this. And no, I have not seen much stam skoria combo.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Leave as isLately run into a couple really hard hitting mag DKs with Skoria that seemed abnormally strong. But other than that it’s fine. And anyway proc set users know what they’re doing. If you win a fight with these hard hitting proc sets against someone without one it’s kinda like whatever, cool you did ok but you know what contributed to your win and it wasn’t skill.1 -
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✭Leave as isLately run into a couple really hard hitting mag DKs with Skoria that seemed abnormally strong. But other than that it’s fine. And anyway proc set users know what they’re doing. If you win a fight with these hard hitting proc sets against someone without one it’s kinda like whatever, cool you did ok but you know what contributed to your win and it wasn’t skill.
Probably having to do with vampirism and penetration they stacked. Those are probably the only things that will increase the proc set potency.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
Selens hit for 15k often, whilst skoria hits for no more than 5k, with a less reliable, but quicker proc.
I'd prefer less rng, so make it proc every 25 dot ticks, 5s with 5 dots. That way it feels less lucky, but works around the same effectiveness.
In practical and even for stam char, skoria is much more effective
Now it is, before, less so. The bear dropped nearly instantly post spawn, due to general lag, (occasionally it'd not even show) with a large cone and tracked your strafe, so was really hard to avoid.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
Selens hit for 15k often, whilst skoria hits for no more than 5k, with a less reliable, but quicker proc.
I'd prefer less rng, so make it proc every 25 dot ticks, 5s with 5 dots. That way it feels less lucky, but works around the same effectiveness.
Selene has a base tooltip of 12k, Skoria has 9k + 25% bonus vs vamps and gets buffed by some racial passives. So how should it be possible for Selene to hit 3x as hard as Skoria? That's just nonsense. In practise both hit for similar amounts.Therefore Skoria (and all other hard hitting dmg procs) should be as easy to avoid as Selene.Edited by Rianai on May 4, 2018 11:56AM3 -
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✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Valkyn needs buff.
I want it to act as a pseudo execute when target drops below 100% health
Reverse increase the damage? The higher the hp pool the more damage it does
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Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭Leave as isWait, you want it buffed? The set is already over performing, albeit because it is flame damage. If it were changed to magic damage it would be much more balanced, because as it stands it absolutely shreds vampires.
Removing sets that are effective against vampire’s only weakness sounds kind of like the opposite of balance to me.
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✭✭✭✭Leave as isIt's pretty much a model for how proc sets should be designed, imo.
Decent damage, but not true "burst" on it's own.
Works on some builds due to proc conditions, not others (the cliche is that templars and DKs are good with it, and that's true, but some temp/dk builds don't proc it regularly, and I've seen the other 3 classes use it to good effect on occasion.
Counterplay available (a visual queue for when audio cuts out would be good, but it rolls over to a quick timed block).Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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✭✭Wait, you want it buffed? The set is already over performing, albeit because it is flame damage. If it were changed to magic damage it would be much more balanced, because as it stands it absolutely shreds vampires.
Removing sets that are effective against vampire’s only weakness sounds kind of like the opposite of balance to me.
Go ahead and do your research on how many proc sets in the game do flame damage. And how many do magic, cold and shock damage. Then come back on here and tell me changing the flame one overperforming the most is the opposite of balance. I’m waiting.Edited by templesus on May 4, 2018 1:04PM1 -
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I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
yeah so that like selen's no one will use it anymore. good idea /sarcasm
Selen's issue wasn't even that. there was something wrong with that set it was ignoring battle spirit or something and ZOS overnerfed it.Edited by Lucky28 on May 4, 2018 1:08PMInvictus0 -
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You mean they nerfed those proc sets because they were unbalanced.
I’d rather not nerf good sets into uselessness. Most of the good PvP proc sets are Stam based - if Valkyn is nerfed then the same justification can be used to nerf them all.Needs nerfed if anything.
Right now it’s actually useful in PvE based on the build/situation (same as in PvP).... if the proc damage is nerfed because of PvP I don’t think it will ever be worth slotting in PvE anymore.
I want it to receive the same treatment that Selene received; a giant red AoE notifying you that it's about to hit. The fact that they've nerfed only the stam proc sets is unbalanced. Not that my desire is to have any proc set to be powerful in PvP. If it were up to me I'd make it so proc sets only damage NPCs, and not actual players.
Every (monster) proc set out there averages out to 1-3k dps. The only difference is the amount of burst and the proc conditions.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
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✭✭✭✭✭Valkyn is the only proc set that HASN'T seen a nerf (excluding drb sets), and it needs one. Any top-tier magdk who is being honest with themselves can say that valkyn makes up ~33% of their overall damage output (pvp perspective only, not at all concerned with pve). It procs far more than the description let's on, and it applies burning (100% of the time?). Not to mention that it can proc on you from players who are dead on the ground, and frequentley it will do this when that dead player is a magdk with the dots that will linger after his/her death.
I don't think it needs a damage nerf or a telegraph like selenes. I simply think that the cooldown needs to be extended. You can compare it to selenes and velidreth as much as you'd like, but the fact is that after the Telegraph changes, those two sets barely ever connect. Valkyn on the other hand gives you an audible que prior to its proc and is unavoidable for non-NB's, allowing you to time another skill with its proc every time. Also, I'm fairly certain this set can double proc in the sense that once the audible que and vibration begins, the set can proc once more before the first meteor comes down, causing it to be followed closely by a second meteor.
It is so strong that I can drop a damage glyph for a regen glyph on a Stamina templar and replace bloodspawn with skoria, without losing any actual burst.@ReactSlower - PC/NA - 2000+ CP
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