Soul Assault and Radiant Destruction

armen_47 · May 2018

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

No longer snares??? it has a 70% movement reduction? and i'm the noob... questionable... also you say LOS I have already acknowledged LOS is viable but far to situational. Why don't you read a thread before replying?

ShadowMonarch · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

No longer snares??? it has a 70% movement reduction? and i'm the noob... questionable... also you say LOS I have already acknowledged LOS is viable but far to situational. Why don't you read a thread before replying?

https://imgur.com/a/nHmGKLu

It hasn't had a snare for months, enjoy looking dumb.

5star stupidity

armen_47 · May 2018

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

Soul assault doesn't snare? it has a 70% movement speed reduction... yet i'm the noob?

I've already acknowledged LOS is viable but too situational especially in BG's

danno8 · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

Soul assault by far the strongest ult in the game, but why? This skill is by far the most unbalance single target ability in the game.

It's not even close to the most unbalanced single target ability in the game. Just throwing it out there: Incapacitating Strike for starters.

In non CP battlegrounds the average soul assault is 20k damage. You can't interrupt you can CC the caster, it slows you down...

There is no longer any snare to SA since several months ago.

Radiant Destruction:
The only execute in the game that acts like a single target damage ability, there is no reduce damage if you have 100% health or 25% health

You have no idea how this ability works, at all. Look it up or ask other people who understand the skill.

this skill needs to be reworked and bug tested to make sure it's working inline with other executes.

It is more than in-line with other executes, in fact because you can't weave with it it is behind other executes and with Summerset is about to get even further behind with the buff to LA damage that an unweavable channel can't take advantage of.

It is the only execute in the game that can do 10k+ damage even if you have 100% health it happens time and time again.

10k damage over 4 seconds is 2500 per second. You think that is a problem when most instant single target spammables will do twice that?

Damage reduction and amend the execute range because clearly this skill is not working as intended and is over performing by 10 fold on other executes.

10 fold eh? Care to back that up? Don't bother trying since hyperbole is pretty tough to prove.

I run a Stam Sorc in Non CP BG's with 5 Medium, 1 light, 1 heavy. So yes i'm not super tanky with 7 heavy but why should I have to, just not to get 1 shot by SA?

What defenses do you currently use? Just dodge roll? If you want to survive a variety attacks you need to invest in a variety of defenses. Channeled attack go through dodge roll, so if you don't want to be destroyed by them invest in some block cost reduction, use S+Board etc..

NBrookus · May 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

I'll trade you for the DK Execute.

Armatesz · May 2018

Lol if you think soul assault on a single target is something, wait till you try out proxy or inevitable detonation against zergs. But in all seriousness make sure to have some fun : 3

jedtb16_ESO · May 2018

is this another nerf thread?

danno8 · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

Soul assault doesn't snare? it has a 70% movement speed reduction... yet i'm the noob?

I've already acknowledged LOS is viable but too situational especially in BG's

Soul Assault doesn't, Shatter Soul (the morph no one uses) still does, and perhaps the base skill does, but I'm not sure.

Don't be looking at outdated websites for your information, look at in-game tooltips.

Either way, you said Soul Assault so that is what we are talking about.

josiahva · May 2018

I have to laugh at all the templars that say they dont slot this ability anymore....obviously the majority still does, radiant and soul assault are STILL the thing that kills me in PvP the most(well, and maybe mages wrath). As a magicka DK there isnt a lot you can do to escape these...LOS is hit or miss, since both seem to often clip through objects. Best bet is to swap to resto staff, block and spam healing ward and coagulating blood. I honestly dont mind Zaan, since the beam is short range and easy enough to get out of...but both Jesus Beam and Soul Assault are too long ranged for that. That being said, I still dont consider either of these abilities overpowered, just an actual threat I have to deal with or die...they are worst when trying to evade a zerg since you have a billion other sources of incoming damage on top of them.

danno8 · May 2018

josiahva wrote: »

I have to laugh at all the templars that say they dont slot this ability anymore....obviously the majority still does, radiant and soul assault are STILL the thing that kills me in PvP the most(well, and maybe mages wrath). As a magicka DK there isnt a lot you can do to escape these...LOS is hit or miss, since both seem to often clip through objects. Best bet is to swap to resto staff, block and spam healing ward and coagulating blood. I honestly dont mind Zaan, since the beam is short range and easy enough to get out of...but both Jesus Beam and Soul Assault are too long ranged for that. That being said, I still dont consider either of these abilities overpowered, just an actual threat I have to deal with or die...they are worst when trying to evade a zerg since you have a billion other sources of incoming damage on top of them.

Perhaps you play a different kind of mdk, but every mdk I play against simply blocks it using S+B. That's the standard I run into every day, it's simply ineffective against mdk's since Templars have no way to drop their block and cause any real damage using SA or RD unless they are really low health.

Acharnor · May 2018

Inarre wrote: »

Really? Idk I get soul assaulted a lot and usually I just laugh at the caster for choosing an poor ultimate while I shield or heal or block line of sight. Maybe it is more effective against classes I dont usually pvp on...?

Sure the death recap looks mean, but keep in mind that's damage over 4~ seconds. 5000 isnt much per second unless you are low on resources or getting zerged.

Oh that was you who kept going behind the rock I was trying to blast. Pretty effective way of ending the effect. Damn it!

brandonv516 · May 2018

Add Zaan to that and you got the triple threat.

Mitoice · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

Just to clarify as stated in my original post....

THIS WAS IN NON CP BG's so CP is DISABLED!

Really?? Radiant doing more than 10k in NonCP bgs with full health????

I would love to see that....

Unless of course you are absorbing like 10 secs of RD and you are looking at the death recap... this is the only way Ill believe you that it does 10 k dmg

I had a death recap of (in order from top to bottom)

vampires bain - 3k
Radiant - 10k
Radiant - 4k
and then a reverse slice - 4k killing blow.

Yep... case closed.... if you get a 10k radiant cause you are there like a noob absorbing the hits...

NBrookus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

I'll trade you for the DK Execute.

Ill trade your DK execute for my warden execute (yes, nothing is better than the warden execute)

JinMori · May 2018

Lol, radiant got nerfed to oblivion, and you, the pvp, side of the game, is still complaining about it, is it really a wonder why many pve players are pissed at pvp players? And at zos for not separating the two? It's not really a wonder.

Look, you are lying, there is no way someone hit you for 10 k at full health, it's a health dc, you didn't actually have 100 % health, but it wasn't shown.

Please stop asking for unnecessary nerfs, you are ruining the game with your stupid suggestions.

By the way, did you know that radiant got nerfed so much that in many cases it's not even worth running anymore? it's channel, meaning you lose weaves, it can be bashed, and it doesn't do nearly as much damage as it once did, i can barely hit 55 k if i'm lucky, with impale, killer's blade i can hit 60 k reliably, also with the sustain nerfs it got indirectly nerfed again, and this ability has become sub par.

So please, don't talk about things you don't really understand, you just spread misinformation, if anything this ability should be buffed, make it fire damage.

JinMori · May 2018

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

No longer snares??? it has a 70% movement reduction? and i'm the noob... questionable... also you say LOS I have already acknowledged LOS is viable but far to situational. Why don't you read a thread before replying?

https://imgur.com/a/nHmGKLu

It hasn't had a snare for months, enjoy looking dumb.

5star stupidity

See, these guys don't have any idea, yet they still talk, this is why we can't have nice things, and this is not just in game.

exeeter702 · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

No longer snares??? it has a 70% movement reduction? and i'm the noob... questionable... also you say LOS I have already acknowledged LOS is viable but far to situational. Why don't you read a thread before replying?

You should probably just exit the thread now.

Fallewarrior · May 2018

Spamming force pulse in execute does more dps then using radiant depression.

How can people still ask for beam nerfs.
I think I've seen enough elderqqforums for today...

exeeter702 · May 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

I'll trade you for the DK Execute.

JinMori · May 2018

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Spamming force pulse in execute does more dps then using radiant depression.

How can people still ask for beam nerfs.
I think I've seen enough elderqqforums for today...

i don't know it if that bad now, but it certainly isn't very good, maybe you forgot to add with asylum staff, then maybe it would make sense, i mean it's still an execute although a pretty bad one.

Night_Wolf2112 · May 2018

I want to be able to shoot Soul Assault out of my right hand WHILE AT THE SAME TIME shooting Radiant Destruction out of my left hand! That would be so fun!

Armatesz · May 2018

josiahva wrote: »

I have to laugh at all the templars that say they dont slot this ability anymore....obviously the majority still does, radiant and soul assault are STILL the thing that kills me in PvP the most(well, and maybe mages wrath). As a magicka DK there isnt a lot you can do to escape these...LOS is hit or miss, since both seem to often clip through objects. Best bet is to swap to resto staff, block and spam healing ward and coagulating blood. I honestly dont mind Zaan, since the beam is short range and easy enough to get out of...but both Jesus Beam and Soul Assault are too long ranged for that. That being said, I still dont consider either of these abilities overpowered, just an actual threat I have to deal with or die...they are worst when trying to evade a zerg since you have a billion other sources of incoming damage on top of them.

It varies on the situation it is for.

Amdar_Godkiller · May 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

You get a bear.

DeadlyRecluse · May 2018

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

I hit a 23k dark flare this patch. So there's that.

NBrookus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

I'll trade you for the DK Execute.

I assume you mean Ferocious Leap, right? Done deal!

: P

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

You get a bear.

At least I wouldn't be tempted to slot it!

MaxwellC · May 2018

I gotta say I do hate soul assault, I tried blocking that thing only to die with 23k damage dealt to me. Since I'm a stamina dk ofc I shot up my rally/vigor while blocking but man that hurts.

If I were to change one thing it would be the distance it available before break or out of range.
or
Removing the snare it provides since you can't purge it (as far as I've tried).

Soleya · May 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

I hit a 23k dark flare this patch. So there's that.

My Dark Flares hit for double what RD hits for. Have killed a player with a single 20k dark flare (he was slightly wounded).

DeadlyRecluse · May 2018

Soleya wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

I hit a 23k dark flare this patch. So there's that.

My Dark Flares hit for double what RD hits for. Have killed a player with a single 20k dark flare (he was slightly wounded).

Yeah, that's kinda my point. Lots of skills, buffed all the way up and in ideal conditions, hit for a ton of damage--that doesn't mean the skills are overpowered, just that the target is a potato.

Claiming that there aren't any other skills, let alone ultimates, that can 1shot someone besides soul assault, is erroneous in the extreme.

Off the top of my head, things I've seen 1 hit someone (true 1-hits, not the kind of burst combo de-facto 1 shot that is the bread and butter of eso PvP): Meteor, incap/soul harvest, assassin's will, overload light attack, crystal frag, wrecking blow out of stealth, 2h ulti, dawnbreaker, proxy (okay that's in some extreme corner cases and back a few patches, lol), take flight...

If your build takes 10k at full HP from radiant (which the OP's build apparently does), any and all of those would be pretty capable of 1shotting you, lol.

Waffennacht · May 2018

No. Just no. Well it's not a Nerf sorc thread....

So, Ok

TequilaFire · May 2018

OP don't you know our Templars are buried out in the back yard?

CompM4s · May 2018

Soul Assault does not snare anymore.

Radiant destruction can be interupted by bashing

NBrookus · May 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

I'll trade you for the DK Execute.

I assume you mean Ferocious Leap, right? Done deal!

: P

No, that's our gap closer and sustain.

... all DK QQ aside, Leap is a pretty awesome ultimate. Templar deserves an awesome ultimate, too.