Soul Assault and Radiant Destruction

armen_47

Zenimax, I have been playing this game since BETA on PC and I mainly play a NON CP BG's and these 2 abilities have far and beyond out performed any other skill's I've encountered whilst playing.

Soul Assault:
Soul assault by far the strongest ult in the game, but why? This skill is by far the most unbalance single target ability in the game. In non CP battlegrounds the average soul assault is 20k damage. You can't interrupt you can CC the caster, it slows you down so LOS is very difficult not to mention LOS is super situational especially in BG's and open world PVP. I believe this has to get a huge damage reduction or some sort of realistic counter. Blocking SA will leave you with zero stam and still hit like a truck through block. Over all there is no balance to this skill what so ever if this skill isn't adjusted then this game will never succeed in BG's. And since you are putting BG's to full game I'm guessing you want it to do well.

Radiant Destruction:
The only execute in the game that acts like a single target damage ability, there is no reduce damage if you have 100% health or 25% health this skill needs to be reworked and bug tested to make sure it's working inline with other executes. It is the only execute in the game that can do 10k+ damage even if you have 100% health it happens time and time again. Damage reduction and amend the execute range because clearly this skill is not working as intended and is over performing by 10 fold on other executes.

I realise this is a slight rant but it's so frustrating playing your combo's and timing attacks and someone can just press 1 button and instantly kill you with no viable counters.

I want what's best for this game and currently with these two skills how they perform are borderline game breaking.

Please provide positive feedback to this post. I realise templar's and SA users will hate this because who want's there build nerf'd but for a better overall PVP and BG's experience surely it's worth it. Surely pressing 1 button for instant dealth can't be good for the game. I just want to promote skill based PVP.

Just my opinion at the end of the day and would be interested to hear from Zenimax and the rest of the community.

I run a Stam Sorc in Non CP BG's with 5 Medium, 1 light, 1 heavy. So yes i'm not super tanky with 7 heavy but why should I have to, just not to get 1 shot by SA?

Thanks for reading if you did and will be happy to read feedback.

Acharnor

Oh, but it is so fun to cast! I have recently gone back to SA as I am trying pvp again. I still die way more than I kill so leave it be. LOL.

generalmyrick

armen_47 wrote: »

Zenimax, I have been playing this game since BETA on PC and I mainly play a NON CP BG's and these 2 abilities have far and beyond out performed any other skill's I've encountered whilst playing.

Soul Assault:
Soul assault by far the strongest ult in the game, but why? This skill is by far the most unbalance single target ability in the game. In non CP battlegrounds the average soul assault is 20k damage. You can't interrupt you can CC the caster, it slows you down so LOS is very difficult not to mention LOS is super situational especially in BG's and open world PVP. I believe this has to get a huge damage reduction or some sort of realistic counter. Blocking SA will leave you with zero stam and still hit like a truck through block. Over all there is no balance to this skill what so ever if this skill isn't adjusted then this game will never succeed in BG's. And since you are putting BG's to full game I'm guessing you want it to do well.

Radiant Destruction:
The only execute in the game that acts like a single target damage ability, there is no reduce damage if you have 100% health or 25% health this skill needs to be reworked and bug tested to make sure it's working inline with other executes. It is the only execute in the game that can do 10k+ damage even if you have 100% health it happens time and time again. Damage reduction and amend the execute range because clearly this skill is not working as intended and is over performing by 10 fold on other executes.

I realise this is a slight rant but it's so frustrating playing your combo's and timing attacks and someone can just press 1 button and instantly kill you with no viable counters.

I want what's best for this game and currently with these two skills how they perform are borderline game breaking.

Please provide positive feedback to this post. I realise templar's and SA users will hate this because who want's there build nerf'd but for a better overall PVP and BG's experience surely it's worth it. Surely pressing 1 button for instant dealth can't be good for the game. I just want to promote skill based PVP.

Just my opinion at the end of the day and would be interested to hear from Zenimax and the rest of the community.

I run a Stam Sorc in Non CP BG's with 5 Medium, 1 light, 1 heavy. So yes i'm not super tanky with 7 heavy but why should I have to, just not to get 1 shot by SA?

Thanks for reading if you did and will be happy to read feedback.

i think what you're forgetting is both of those skills can't be fired off and combined wiht other attacks. they are channelled.

Qbiken

Show me a 10k radiant destruction at full HP in PvP and I´ll believe you.

DeadlyRecluse

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

Inarre

Really? Idk I get soul assaulted a lot and usually I just laugh at the caster for choosing an poor ultimate while I shield or heal or block line of sight. Maybe it is more effective against classes I dont usually pvp on...?

Sure the death recap looks mean, but keep in mind that's damage over 4~ seconds. 5000 isnt much per second unless you are low on resources or getting zerged.

Nibelaja

So, if i understand you correct: You demand the, what, 8th Nerf of radiant Destruction?

CrazYDunm3r

I chuckle when someone SA me, their defense open, ready to get leaped and bursted down.

casparian

armen_47 wrote: »

Radiant Destruction [...] is the only execute in the game that can do 10k+ damage even if you have 100% health it happens time and time again.

Either you have the game's worst build, or we're playing entirely different games.

Royaji

So a medium armor rolly-poly stam sorc get's killed by Soul Assault and starts crying for nerfs? How about we stop for a second and assume, that Soul Assault is supposed to be a hard counter to your build? You are supposed to get wiped by it and be disentegrated like a good boy.

It's useless against anything with a damage shield or anything that can block. And it's very easy to outheal since it's a 4 seconds channel.

Same with Jesusbeam. It's a hard counter to your defense. You are supposed to have a hard time facing it.

Ladislao

Ah, I get it.

Let's talk about destro ulti. It has so big radius and massive damage. There is no counterplay

Bbsample197

i thought the thread is all about how RD is underperforming LMAO! i honestly remove RD on all of my builds since i cant kill anyone with that aside from stealing kills that is,(i only play in both non CP and BG cause theyre alot bearable than vivec seriusly idk why, but i have an intense lag on vivec than the non-cp campaign even if both campaigns are full)

EDIT: you cannot get one shot with SA unless youre running like a headless chicken

armen_47

Qbiken wrote: »

Show me a 10k radiant destruction at full HP in PvP and I´ll believe you.

Non CP BG's it's very possible and I wish I took a screenshot to show it. Next time I will and i'll post it

Mitoice

Ive been playing as a templar all my life and since the radiant nerf a few patches back, Ive NEVER seen a radiant destruction hit that hard with 100 percent health...... NEVER.

So if you will gladly show us a video ill believe you.... until then... please stop calling for nerfs just cause you dont know how to play. Radiant destruction hits for 2-4k at full health on pvp.... please....another nerf is not warranted

And BTW... a death recap doesnt count as evidence.....

armen_47

Just as predicted Templars and SA users hating... I'll just get my coat and forget trying to improve this games PVP...

armen_47

Just to clarify as stated in my original post....

THIS WAS IN NON CP BG's so CP is DISABLED!

CrazYDunm3r

armen_47 wrote: »

Just as predicted Templars and SA users hating... I'll just get my coat and forget trying to improve this games PVP...

I use neither of them, but you seem to call nerfs really quick and assume things really quick too.
Edit: the abilities are fine in my opinion. There are enough ways in the game to EASILY survive that, not using/knowing them is a problem you encounter now.

Mitoice

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

@DeadlyRecluse
Shhhhhhh...... i wouldnt trade my Radiant Destruction for the warden crappy bear execute.... at least we can say warden execute is way worse than templars

Royaji

armen_47 wrote: »

Just as predicted Templars and SA users hating... I'll just get my coat and forget trying to improve this games PVP...

You'd better roll dodge out though. So we can SA and beam you on the way out.

Bbsample197

armen_47 wrote: »

Just as predicted Templars and SA users hating... I'll just get my coat and forget trying to improve this games PVP...

or youre just ignorant about the counters on that skills? idk that seems logical only new players are using RD and SA nowadays or someone that is hiding behind a zerg just to get a kill, if you got beaten by RD and SA without those conditions there are something wrong with your build and playstyle, RD hits like a wet noodle at full HP and its not even worth a slot, youre better of with dark flare

DeadlyRecluse

Mitoice wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Complaining about radiant in 2018?

I'm a templar that uses radiant: I would willingly trade it for literally any other class execute.

@DeadlyRecluse
Shhhhhhh...... i wouldnt trade my execute for the warden execute.... at least we can say warden execute is way worse than templars

well...okay...yeah that's fair : P

Mitoice

armen_47 wrote: »

Just to clarify as stated in my original post....

THIS WAS IN NON CP BG's so CP is DISABLED!

Really?? Radiant doing more than 10k in NonCP bgs with full health????

I would love to see that....

Unless of course you are absorbing like 10 secs of RD and you are looking at the death recap... this is the only way Ill believe you that it does 10 k dmg

armen_47

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

Yes if you block it you will likely survive but you will have 0 stam after, yes you could fight back but with no block you will die. If you're in a position to LOS then sure it's easy but that is far to situational for that to be the only counter.

Radiant:
I still think radiant's execute range is messed up reducing damage might not be the issue but certainly the range that the execute damage hits at needs to be checked.

For the record i'm not bashing Templar's I play both stam and magicka templars, There are lots of issues in this game I just feel that SA is far to unbalanced not to be looked at, does far too much Damage, Snares for 70%, can't stealth and it has very little to no counter play for a stam char that's not running heavy or sword and board. All magicka classes can shield through it or heal through it easier.

I didn't make this thread to trigger people I wanted a healthy and normal discussion on it...

armen_47

Mitoice wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

Just to clarify as stated in my original post....

THIS WAS IN NON CP BG's so CP is DISABLED!

Really?? Radiant doing more than 10k in NonCP bgs with full health????

I would love to see that....

Unless of course you are absorbing like 10 secs of RD and you are looking at the death recap... this is the only way Ill believe you that it does 10 k dmg

I had a death recap of (in order from top to bottom)

vampires bain - 3k
Radiant - 10k
Radiant - 4k
and then a reverse slice - 4k killing blow.

Royaji

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

Yes if you block it you will likely survive but you will have 0 stam after, yes you could fight back but with no block you will die. If you're in a position to LOS then sure it's easy but that is far to situational for that to be the only counter.

...

SA is not one hit. I can name you a bunch of combos that can kill you in 4 seconds. Your point is moot.

armen_47

Royaji wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

Yes if you block it you will likely survive but you will have 0 stam after, yes you could fight back but with no block you will die. If you're in a position to LOS then sure it's easy but that is far to situational for that to be the only counter.

...

SA is not one hit. I can name you a bunch of combos that can kill you in 4 seconds. Your point is moot.

You just made your entire comment redundant you said "Combos" I don't care if i get killed from a well timed combo that takes skill and SA is in non CP at least a 1 shot

Tinus_92

Feels like I'm reading a post from 2016. Many templars doesn't even got radiant opression slotted anymore since it's barely worth still running it, and that is if magicka templar players haven't switched to an other class -yet-.

Royaji

armen_47 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

armen_47 wrote: »

On Soul Assault,

Name me 1 other skill, ultimate or not that can 1 hit someone? not even a gank nightblade can 1 shot with incap...

Yes if you block it you will likely survive but you will have 0 stam after, yes you could fight back but with no block you will die. If you're in a position to LOS then sure it's easy but that is far to situational for that to be the only counter.

...

SA is not one hit. I can name you a bunch of combos that can kill you in 4 seconds. Your point is moot.

You just made your entire comment redundant you said "Combos" I don't care if i get killed from a well timed combo that takes skill and SA is in non CP at least a 1 shot

Ok, let's try it again, one more time.

It doesn't matter if it's a combo or not. It kills you over 4 seconds. It's not one hit. It's easy to shield, block, outheal. If you die to it your main defense is dodge and you've just been hit by your hard counter.

Drdeath20

I dont even slot either of those abilities anymore bcz they are soo awful. it only decimates medium armor players that only use dodge roll as their main and only form of defense.

Usually players just block and out heal it with vigor or wear heavy armor and then im just tickling them.

ShadowMonarch

1. Soul assault is a NOOB killer, it is so easy to counter its not even funny. Its damage is meh and you can easily just LOS it sense it no longer snares and nb's can just cloak and it will go away after 2 seconds. Its only effective at killing noobs, good players will just burst you through it.
2. Radiant is not near as strong as the sorc execute.
3. Its obvious OP is not a experienced player, his complaints cannot be taken seriously.

Lexxypwns

Radiant isn’t even really worth a slot on Templar bars, it definitely isn’t OP