Rally/Forward Momentum

elfantasmo · April 2018

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

DuskMarine · April 2018

no way. that ability comes from a stamina weapon line so no major sorcery doesnt need to be on either one.

Tempestwrath · April 2018

That is a terrible idea and it smacks of "Please make my PVP character better."

If you want Major Sorcery, use magicka abilities or weapons. Forward Momentum is already a value-packed skill, it doesn't need anything more.

DuskMarine · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

elfantasmo · April 2018

It is known that both 2h sword and dw swords passively add damage done. Think of the old school dw sorcs. 2h is from the passive heavy weapons. All discussion welcome I wanted to see thoughts both For and against. Since the skill already give major brutality, why not major sorcery too. If this is exclusively a stamina skill line then why would it have been developed to increase magicka damage?

thankyourat · April 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

In the 2hand passives great swords increase you damage by 5% this applies to magicka as well

elfantasmo · April 2018

Tempestwrath wrote: »

That is a terrible idea and it smacks of "Please make my PVP character better."

If you want Major Sorcery, use magicka abilities or weapons. Forward Momentum is already a value-packed skill, it doesn't need anything more.

Could you elaborate why would you consider it terrible?

DuskMarine · April 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

In the 2hand passives great swords increase you damage by 5% this applies to magicka as well

oh ok but why use a 2 hander over dual wield for magicka? that seems kinda useless.......

elfantasmo · April 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

In the 2hand passives great swords increase you damage by 5% this applies to magicka as well

oh ok but why use a 2 hander over dual wield for magicka? that seems kinda useless.......

To remove and become immune to snares, normally as a melee magblade since your skills will be all melee skills.

Tempestwrath · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

Tempestwrath wrote: »

That is a terrible idea and it smacks of "Please make my PVP character better."

If you want Major Sorcery, use magicka abilities or weapons. Forward Momentum is already a value-packed skill, it doesn't need anything more.

Could you elaborate why would you consider it terrible?

Rally and Forward Momentum already offer a ton of value/cost, especially in PVP. It's a big reason why 2H is as ubiquitous as it is in PVP at the moment (Along with 2H having a gap-closer and an execute all in one skill line). You're suggesting that Zenimax add more utility to an already value-packed skill. There's no sensible reason to add any kind of magicka-related ability to an explicitly stamina-based skill line. It's like someone asking for stamina morphs in the Destruction Staff tree because they boost Weapon Damage in addition to Spell Damage.

Spurius_Lucilius · April 2018

You can just drink spell pots as a melee magblade.

DuskMarine · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

In the 2hand passives great swords increase you damage by 5% this applies to magicka as well

oh ok but why use a 2 hander over dual wield for magicka? that seems kinda useless.......

To remove and become immune to snares, normally as a melee magblade since your skills will be all melee skills.

you still dont need it over dual wield 2 hander is crud comparibly

elfantasmo · April 2018

Tempestwrath wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

Tempestwrath wrote: »

That is a terrible idea and it smacks of "Please make my PVP character better."

If you want Major Sorcery, use magicka abilities or weapons. Forward Momentum is already a value-packed skill, it doesn't need anything more.

Could you elaborate why would you consider it terrible?

Rally and Forward Momentum already offer a ton of value/cost, especially in PVP. It's a big reason why 2H is as ubiquitous as it is in PVP at the moment (Along with 2H having a gap-closer and an execute all in one skill line). You're suggesting that Zenimax add more utility to an already value-packed skill. There's no sensible reason to add any kind of magicka-related ability to an explicitly stamina-based skill line. It's like someone asking for stamina morphs in the Destruction Staff tree because they boost Weapon Damage in addition to Spell Damage.

Which passive in the destruction staff skill line boosts weapons damage?

Tempestwrath · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

Tempestwrath wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

Tempestwrath wrote: »

That is a terrible idea and it smacks of "Please make my PVP character better."

If you want Major Sorcery, use magicka abilities or weapons. Forward Momentum is already a value-packed skill, it doesn't need anything more.

Could you elaborate why would you consider it terrible?

Rally and Forward Momentum already offer a ton of value/cost, especially in PVP. It's a big reason why 2H is as ubiquitous as it is in PVP at the moment (Along with 2H having a gap-closer and an execute all in one skill line). You're suggesting that Zenimax add more utility to an already value-packed skill. There's no sensible reason to add any kind of magicka-related ability to an explicitly stamina-based skill line. It's like someone asking for stamina morphs in the Destruction Staff tree because they boost Weapon Damage in addition to Spell Damage.

Which passive in the destruction staff skill line boosts weapons damage?

All weapons give equal amounts of Weapon and Spell Damage, which are then built off of using sets/passives/skills.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

It is known that both 2h sword and dw swords passively add damage done. Think of the old school dw sorcs. 2h is from the passive heavy weapons. All discussion welcome I wanted to see thoughts both For and against. Since the skill already give major brutality, why not major sorcery too. If this is exclusively a stamina skill line then why would it have been developed to increase magicka damage?

They did not it was meant for stamina builds and when ZoS was wanting to change it to a weapon buff magic builds that used DW Swords ⚔️ lose their minds and at that time the game had no stamina support, all heals were magic and stamina damage was a joke so magic was King.

elfantasmo · April 2018

2H skill line and DW skill line passively buffs spell damage. It is non disputable. Therefore people build around this passive for magicka based characters (mag Templar - dual wield, magblade bomber - dual wield, magdk- dual wield, etc etc).

So although the SKILLS are stamina based, the SKILLLINE is not exclusively stamina based. What I am proposing is to add a magicka benefit to the SKILLS since the skillline is being used by magicka players. 0 destro passives buff weapon damage, so why you would use this as a comparable doesn’t make any sense.

Tempestwrath · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

2H skill line and DW skill line passively buffs spell damage. It is non disputable. Therefore people build around this passive for magicka based characters (mag Templar - dual wield, magblade bomber - dual wield, magdk- dual wield, etc etc).

So although the SKILLS are stamina based, the SKILLLINE is not exclusively stamina based. What I am proposing is to add a magicka benefit to the SKILLS since the skillline is being used by magicka players. 0 destro passives buff weapon damage, so why you would use this as a comparable doesn’t make any sense.

This isn't really going to fly in the next patch when light and heavy attacks for 2H weapons, Bows, and 1H weapons scale based both on weapon damage and max stamina. After that change, a magicka character with a 2H will hit like a wet noodle during their weaves (not even gonna mention the 2H light attack and heavy attack damage nerfs) You're asking for a change to support a character build that won't exist post-patch.

Waffennacht · April 2018

elfantasmo wrote: »

2H skill line and DW skill line passively buffs spell damage. It is non disputable. Therefore people build around this passive for magicka based characters (mag Templar - dual wield, magblade bomber - dual wield, magdk- dual wield, etc etc).

So although the SKILLS are stamina based, the SKILLLINE is not exclusively stamina based. What I am proposing is to add a magicka benefit to the SKILLS since the skillline is being used by magicka players. 0 destro passives buff weapon damage, so why you would use this as a comparable doesn’t make any sense.

It's not that you're thinking is wrong.

It's you'll make Forward Momentum super OP.

A hot (the heal itself doesn't matter much, it's that you can proc a ton of things with it)
Snare and roots immunity for 8 sec (hella good as is)
Both forms of major buff

For the cost of less than a roll Dodge for a mag character.

Would make Forward Momentum too good to not run.

elfantasmo · April 2018

Tempestwrath wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

2H skill line and DW skill line passively buffs spell damage. It is non disputable. Therefore people build around this passive for magicka based characters (mag Templar - dual wield, magblade bomber - dual wield, magdk- dual wield, etc etc).

So although the SKILLS are stamina based, the SKILLLINE is not exclusively stamina based. What I am proposing is to add a magicka benefit to the SKILLS since the skillline is being used by magicka players. 0 destro passives buff weapon damage, so why you would use this as a comparable doesn’t make any sense.

This isn't really going to fly in the next patch when light and heavy attacks for 2H weapons, Bows, and 1H weapons scale based both on weapon damage and max stamina. After that change, a magicka character with a 2H will hit like a wet noodle during their weaves (not even gonna mention the 2H light attack and heavy attack damage nerfs) You're asking for a change to support a character build that won't exist post-patch.

I missed this in the patch notes that LA and HA will scale off stam/WD, that sucks. This is the feedback I was looking for, thanks :-)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2018

Overall with the 8% bonus to AoE or Single Target damage this is better then the buff from melee weapons. Sure you get a sightly bigger bonus to one area and not all, but you can weave at a distance and get magic on heavy attacks plus the CP points to elemental damage.

Renosence · April 2018

Honestly, I think it would be cool to push rally/forward to fighters guild skill lines and then create a new skill in 2h line that could improve its dps or survival potential for PVE.

Murador178 · April 2018

Renosence wrote: »

Honestly, I think it would be cool to push rally/forward to fighters guild skill lines and then create a new skill in 2h line that could improve its dps or survival potential for PVE.

This, so we may see some non 2h stam builds! And magicka will have a good snare removal!

DuskMarine · April 2018

Murador178 wrote: »

Renosence wrote: »

Honestly, I think it would be cool to push rally/forward to fighters guild skill lines and then create a new skill in 2h line that could improve its dps or survival potential for PVE.

This, so we may see some non 2h stam builds! And magicka will have a good snare removal!

no if they did that zos just needs to hang up the fact that balance and attributes are a thing. they do that there will be no point in keeping weapons to one side anymore.

Capt_Morgan · April 2018

Why not just make dodge roll remove snares as well as roots. Not immunity, just removal.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

2H skill line and DW skill line passively buffs spell damage. It is non disputable. Therefore people build around this passive for magicka based characters (mag Templar - dual wield, magblade bomber - dual wield, magdk- dual wield, etc etc).

So although the SKILLS are stamina based, the SKILLLINE is not exclusively stamina based. What I am proposing is to add a magicka benefit to the SKILLS since the skillline is being used by magicka players. 0 destro passives buff weapon damage, so why you would use this as a comparable doesn’t make any sense.

It's not that you're thinking is wrong.

It's you'll make Forward Momentum super OP.

A hot (the heal itself doesn't matter much, it's that you can proc a ton of things with it)
Snare and roots immunity for 8 sec (hella good as is)
Both forms of major buff

For the cost of less than a roll Dodge for a mag character.

Would make Forward Momentum too good to not run.

It's already too good to not run for magicka builds, some just haven't realized it yet.

Not supporting the OP's proposition or anything, just saying that magicka builds totally lack the ability to get rid of snares and roots at a rather ridiculous level compared to stamina.

GreenSoup2HoT · April 2018

its almost if anyone with op's portrait is biased towards magicka xD

Beardimus · April 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

I wanted to ask the community thoughts about adding major sorcery to forward momentum/rally? 2H passively buffs magicka damage so why not? It would be a great addition to the melee magblade toolkit. Please ZOS???

also how does two handed buff magicka damage?? where is it

In the 2hand passives great swords increase you damage by 5% this applies to magicka as well

oh ok but why use a 2 hander over dual wield for magicka? that seems kinda useless.......

To remove and become immune to snares, normally as a melee magblade since your skills will be all melee skills.

you still dont need it over dual wield 2 hander is crud comparibly

How so. Both buff damage. For a Mag player the gains are in a similar place, arguably better with this skill. DW we have zero skills to use.

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

Why not, Bull Netch gives Major Brutality and Major Sorcery. I'm not sure if it would be worth while. DW mag was for a while, but its dead again.
Still I cant think of a reason this would be bad/broken either.

ku5h · April 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Overall with the 8% bonus to AoE or Single Target damage this is better then the buff from melee weapons. Sure you get a sightly bigger bonus to one area and not all, but you can weave at a distance and get magic on heavy attacks plus the CP points to elemental damage.

It's for snare/immobilization removal. Magicka specs out side of templar have no reliable way of countering them, so they are willing to drop staff, which is obviously better, just to have an option to remove snares. Which is sad from magicka PoV.

Vapirko · April 2018

ku5h wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Overall with the 8% bonus to AoE or Single Target damage this is better then the buff from melee weapons. Sure you get a sightly bigger bonus to one area and not all, but you can weave at a distance and get magic on heavy attacks plus the CP points to elemental damage.

It's for snare/immobilization removal. Magicka specs out side of templar have no reliable way of countering them, so they are willing to drop staff, which is obviously better, just to have an option to remove snares. Which is sad from magicka PoV.

Mistform and efficient purge. Stop complaining. It’s just that no magicka builds want to slot them and give up one of their unique class skills. Welcome to the world of stamina, everyone uses the same couple of skills to get by because there’s no other choice.

ku5h · April 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Overall with the 8% bonus to AoE or Single Target damage this is better then the buff from melee weapons. Sure you get a sightly bigger bonus to one area and not all, but you can weave at a distance and get magic on heavy attacks plus the CP points to elemental damage.

It's for snare/immobilization removal. Magicka specs out side of templar have no reliable way of countering them, so they are willing to drop staff, which is obviously better, just to have an option to remove snares. Which is sad from magicka PoV.

Mistform and efficient purge. Stop complaining. It’s just that no magicka builds want to slot them and give up one of their unique class skills. Welcome to the world of stamina, everyone uses the same couple of skills to get by because there’s no other choice.

Im not complaining, just explaining to the guy why ppl use it. Im not all that much affected on my mag sorc by constant snares, but i can see why magblade would go that route.
But i do get you, stam should overperform over magicka in every aspect of PvP.