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Unofficial Imbue Weapon Discussion

Aliyavana
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  • Aliyavana
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    In my personal opinion I think the stamina morph is uninteresting compared to the magika morph which to me is a common theme in stamina skills. I would prefer if instead of the heal it could do a aoe shockwave effect that is suitable of its name "crushing weapon" with maybe applying a status effect like bleed or a debuff. In its current form it feels as if the magika morph is a lot more interesting with the stamina morph being catered to pvp and the magika morph being multuse in both pve and pvp.

    Secondly, the crushing weapon morph feels like its slower on a bow build
    Edited by Aliyavana on April 26, 2018 6:04AM
  • Beardimus
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    Personally I hate the robotic nature of dummy dps / weaving. So unsure about all these new things buffing light attacks (sorc skills too) unsure we need any more DPS for PvE and prefer burst damage for PvP. But that's just what I'm feeling right now haven't used on PTS
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  • Nifty2g
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    First morph is basically VMA staff infused with Asylum staff, and it's a pretty strong skill right now for being behind a Chapter to use lol
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  • Aliyavana
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    First morph is basically VMA staff infused with Asylum staff, and it's a pretty strong skill right now for being behind a Chapter to use lol

    whats your opinion on the stam morph?
  • FrancisCrawford
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    How does damage compare to, say, Crushing Shock? The Level 1 unmorphed version looked very weak to me, but that's a stamina skill and I was checking it on a magicka character.

    That said, Level 1 unmorphed Mending also looked weak, and that's a magicka skill.
  • Sixty5
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    The skill is outparsing all other magicka spammables at the moment. The parses I have seen from Warden, Nightblade and DK using this over their builtin skills have all been pretty nasty too.

    Personally, I didn't really like the skill when I tried it out, mostly due to the janky animation, and the fact that I was running a build that needed a lot of heavies to sustain. I've swapped over to Dubious now, and will try again, though the stam version seems to hit about as hard as Flying Blade.

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  • Aliyavana
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    Sixty5 wrote: »
    The skill is outparsing all other magicka spammables at the moment. The parses I have seen from Warden, Nightblade and DK using this over their builtin skills have all been pretty nasty too.

    Personally, I didn't really like the skill when I tried it out, mostly due to the janky animation, and the fact that I was running a build that needed a lot of heavies to sustain. I've swapped over to Dubious now, and will try again, though the stam version seems to hit about as hard as Flying Blade.
    flying blade has the benefit of hitting aoes target so if that's the case then flying blade for pve and crushing weapon for pvp :(
    Edited by Aliyavana on April 26, 2018 7:04AM
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  • Aliyavana
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Elemental Weapon: Stronger than all other spammable magicka damage abilities AND cheaper as well

    that scares me, I am hearing all this praise for magika morph and the stamina morph looks lackluster. For pve it looks like It does the same damage as flying blade but flying blade has an aoe component to it that will make crushing weapon feel a bit meh. does the healing from crushing weapon look like it will help with survivability significantly at all in trials? I hope zos considers adding a aoe component to the stam morph
    Edited by Aliyavana on April 26, 2018 7:03AM
  • Aliyavana
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    Hmm maybe a cone shaped aoe affect in melee range for crushing?
  • NyassaV
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    So the stam morph is effectively better... Yay. More stamina love -_-
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  • Aliyavana
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    NyassaV wrote: »
    So the stam morph is effectively better... Yay. More stamina love -_-

    All the comments here indicate the opposite
  • Torbschka
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    Well, for pvp stam sorcs/DK's could use this as their spammable with DW/2h
  • ErMurazor
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    First morph is basically VMA staff infused with Asylum staff, and it's a pretty strong skill right now for being behind a Chapter to use lol

    Behind a chapter? A lot of stuff are Behind chapters. Cant follow you?
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    In my personal opinion I think the stamina morph is uninteresting compared to the magika morph which to me is a common theme in stamina skills. I would prefer if instead of the heal it could do a aoe shockwave effect that is suitable of its name "crushing weapon" with maybe applying a status effect like bleed or a debuff. In its current form it feels as if the magika morph is a lot more interesting with the stamina morph being catered to pvp and the magika morph being multuse in both pve and pvp.

    Secondly, the crushing weapon morph feels like its slower on a bow build

    Something Stamina definitely doesn't need is one more bleed effect. Bleeds are already too strong (compared to how weak Burning is).
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  • Sixty5
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    Sixty5 wrote: »
    The skill is outparsing all other magicka spammables at the moment. The parses I have seen from Warden, Nightblade and DK using this over their builtin skills have all been pretty nasty too.

    Personally, I didn't really like the skill when I tried it out, mostly due to the janky animation, and the fact that I was running a build that needed a lot of heavies to sustain. I've swapped over to Dubious now, and will try again, though the stam version seems to hit about as hard as Flying Blade.
    flying blade has the benefit of hitting aoes target so if that's the case then flying blade for pve and crushing weapon for pvp :(

    nah it's awful in PVP

    really low buff duration, and stam light attacks feel like they hit for nothing in PVP. Plus you can't even Imbue > Wrecking Blow > Light Attack for burst, since the duration is so low.

    The heal might be nice, but I don't think it's really worth it.
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  • HuawaSepp
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    I really can't imagine that stuff will go live as it is right now.
    I won't worry that much about it.
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    First morph is basically VMA staff infused with Asylum staff, and it's a pretty strong skill right now for being behind a Chapter to use lol

    Behind a chapter? A lot of stuff are Behind chapters. Cant follow you?

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  • themaddaedra
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Elemental Weapon: Stronger than all other spammable magicka damage abilities AND cheaper as well

    Not really stronger, sometimes it gives slightly better dips, but i know people who got better results with FP or FH.

    It's only better because it's cheaper, and i wouldn't truly complain about it. Skill is working pretty fine imo.

    I can't really say anything about stam morph tho. Better leave it to people who main stamina chars.

    Edit: Also note that it's not a direct cast, it's bound on light attack. Miss the LA and you miss the skill, not like FP or FH.
    Edited by themaddaedra on April 26, 2018 1:03PM
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  • Bodycounter
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    Does it work with Overload?

    Empower —> Imbue Weapon —> Overload —> Light Attack = Oneshot in Cyrodiil?
  • Maulkin
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    Does it work with Overload?

    Empower —> Imbue Weapon —> Overload —> Light Attack = Oneshot in Cyrodiil?

    Overload is light attack.

    I've been told what you're describing works, but it's not much different in terms of damage to the current combo:
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  • Bodycounter
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    Yeah, i meant the Overload light attack, sorry. Im not able to test it myself on PTS but with the changes to how light attack damage is calculated in general and the set bonus buff to staffs, i was interested in how this would affect Overload.

    I dont get why the magicka morph gives a random status effect and not the one of your destruction staff? The morph itself seems fine in design. The stamina version looks boring.
  • Elusiin
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    I've been testing elemental weapon, mage's light(empower), with overload in PvE, and I've managed over 80k with a light attack from overload + crystal frag proc. If you include my set proc, it deals about 100k damage. I hope they reduce light attack damage slightly, nerf empower to 30% instead of 40%, or slightly reduce elemental weapon, as this is really op. My only complaint about the skill itself is that there is no animation when in overload, so you cast it, but can't perform any action for like 1.2 seconds, so it's hard to time when you can actually perform actions again. Sometimes I've missed the 2 second window for light attacking because of this lack of animation.
    Edited by Elusiin on April 26, 2018 1:41PM
  • Elusiin
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    I dont get why the magicka morph gives a random status effect and not the one of your destruction staff? The morph itself seems fine in design. The stamina version looks boring.

    Because if you run a melee weapon, and use the magicka morph, what would determine what element is used? Just seems like an unnecessary change, and also would be a nerf to an ice staff user if you ask me.
  • Ragnaroek93
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Elemental Weapon: Stronger than all other spammable magicka damage abilities AND cheaper as well

    It's a buff if you can animation cancel :trollface:
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  • ezeepeezee
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    I haven't tested, but my thoughts on the stam version:

    - Lower tooltip than Wrecking Blow, with a similar amount of time required to execute (however it isn't as easily avoided)
    - No CC like Wrecking Blow
    - Heal is pathetic on a stam toon with 25k health avg (25000*.15=3750/2=1875) (divide by 2 for Cyrodiil healing debuff)
    - 2h light attacks are being nerfed already, so using this would be even more pointless
    - On DW it might be okay, but then I'm stuck using a magicka ability for CC (unless on stamplar w/ jav)
    Edited by ezeepeezee on April 26, 2018 2:27PM
  • themaddaedra
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    The tooltips for Elemental Weapon and Force Pulse, on exactly the same setup for magsorc.

    Force Pulse: 2860+2860+2962 = 8682 (Costs 2295 magicka)
    Elemental Weapon: 8654 (Costs 1890 magicka)

    Force Pulse does AOE damage, and it's direct cast without being bound to anything else. With Perfected Asylum, you put all 3 status affects every 2nd cast of FP, with Non-Perfected it takes 3 casts.

    Elemental Weapon puts one random status affect on every cast, that's no way close to Perfected Asylum's guaranteed 3 status effects in 2 casts, and it's not even equal to Non-Perfected Asylum because affects are random.

    Elemental Weapon triggers Spell Orb passive from Psijic Order skill line, which gives like 0,7k more dps on dummy. In trial environment there will be a lot of stuff going on, so most likely these orb stacks will be lost in many cases, and even if not, it basically gives nothing.

    My personal conclusion: Elemental Weapon and FP have quite similar aspects, with Ele Weapon being slightly disadvantaged, therefore less costed.

    I love the animation and diversity that comes with this skill.


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    Edited by themaddaedra on April 26, 2018 3:59PM
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  • Maulkin
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    @themaddaedra

    Good stuff. If you’re a MagBlade without perfected asylum, I wonder if EW is higher DPS and sustain than Funnel or FP. Sounds like it is.

    Edited by Maulkin on April 26, 2018 3:01PM
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  • themaddaedra
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    Maulkin wrote: »
    @themaddaedra

    Good stuff. If you’re a MagBlade without perfected asylum, I wonder if EW is higher DPS and sustain than Funnel or FP. Sounds like it is.

    Thanks, i'm not quite aware with the DPS part, some NBs told me they got better dummy results with FH, but Ele Weapon is obviously a better choice for sustain. I also would like to see a full MagNB comparison for FH and EW.
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  • NyassaV
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    NyassaV wrote: »
    So the stam morph is effectively better... Yay. More stamina love -_-

    Just by looking at the pictures that is what is projected. The Stam Morph also offers healing and in the picture it has more damage. Why is it not better? What am I missing or is there CP somewhere?
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  • NyassaV
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    ezeepeezee wrote: »
    I haven't tested, but my thoughts on the stam version:

    - Lower tooltip than Wrecking Blow, with a similar amount of time required to execute (however it isn't as easily avoided)
    - No CC like Wrecking Blow
    - Heal is pathetic on a stam toon with 25k health avg (25000*.15=3750/2=1875) (divide by 2 for Cyrodiil healing debuff)
    - 2h light attacks are being nerfed already, so using this would be even more pointless
    - On DW it might be okay, but then I'm stuck using a magicka ability for CC (unless on stamplar w/ jav)

    That's pretty much the healing Strife does on Magblade
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